I was interested in setting up a download mirror for linuxmce, however, I have been unable to find much information on this.
I need to know how much BW I could expect to use monthly.
Thank you for your time and cooperation in this matter.
Thanks,
Jim
Quote from: Jimerson on January 29, 2008, 07:42:02 PM
I was interested in setting up a download mirror for linuxmce, however, I have been unable to find much information on this.
I need to know how much BW I could expect to use monthly.
Thank you for your time and cooperation in this matter.
Thanks,
Jim
I really think that torrents are the way to go.. that is IF everyone will seed....
Seems to me that seeding the existing torrents is an ideal way to mirror as well since you have control over how much/fast you upload.
I disagree about the Torrents. It's a great concept, but the reality is they always end up extremely slooooooooow and can take days to pull down something that should take a few hours.
It's like bringing home a fat chick, sounds like a good idea at 2:00 am. But the end results are never good.
Quote from: jgaffney on January 30, 2008, 01:40:57 AM
I disagree about the Torrents. It's a great concept, but the reality is they always end up extremely slooooooooow and can take days to pull down something that should take a few hours.
It's like bringing home a fat chick, sounds like a good idea at 2:00 am. But the end results are never good.
Spoken like a true leech. ;D If people would bother to seed... it should only take a few hours. But I guess complaining is easier then helping out and carrying your own weight for a change.
Quote from: jgaffney on January 30, 2008, 01:40:57 AM
I disagree about the Torrents. It's a great concept, but the reality is they always end up extremely slooooooooow and can take days to pull down something that should take a few hours.
It's like bringing home a fat chick, sounds like a good idea at 2:00 am. But the end results are never good.
I disagree... after the torrents were posted for Beta3, I downloaded the 64-bit DVD, the 32-bit DVD and the 64-bit and 32-bit CD's.. all in about 2 days... The first DVD I started late one afternoon and the next morning it was done... not bad for nearly 4GB... I saw no issue with speed....
Quote from: Zaerc on January 30, 2008, 06:02:31 AM
Quote from: jgaffney on January 30, 2008, 01:40:57 AM
I disagree about the Torrents. It's a great concept, but the reality is they always end up extremely slooooooooow and can take days to pull down something that should take a few hours.
It's like bringing home a fat chick, sounds like a good idea at 2:00 am. But the end results are never good.
Spoken like a true leech. ;D If people would bother to seed... it should only take a few hours. But I guess complaining is easier then helping out and carrying your own weight for a change.
Your right, IF people would seed AND have decent upload speeds (Usually not the case with DSL or less). But most don't or just can't. Not to mention there are some ISPs that block torrents. The other catch to torrents is people only seed if the are downloading at the same time so it only works well if alot of people want the same thing at the same time.
Like I said, the concept is great but their are other factors involved that make it tough to work the way it should. In turn making it a very slow process.
If someone has the ability to put up a mirror we should be all for it.
Quote from: jgaffney on January 30, 2008, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: Zaerc on January 30, 2008, 06:02:31 AM
Quote from: jgaffney on January 30, 2008, 01:40:57 AM
I disagree about the Torrents. It's a great concept, but the reality is they always end up extremely slooooooooow and can take days to pull down something that should take a few hours.
It's like bringing home a fat chick, sounds like a good idea at 2:00 am. But the end results are never good.
Spoken like a true leech. ;D If people would bother to seed... it should only take a few hours. But I guess complaining is easier then helping out and carrying your own weight for a change.
Your right, IF people would seed AND have decent upload speeds (Usually not the case with DSL or less). But most don't or just can't. Not to mention there are some ISPs that block torrents. The other catch to torrents is people only seed if the are downloading at the same time so it only works well if alot of people want the same thing at the same time.
Like I said, the concept is great but their are other factors involved that make it tough to work the way it should. In turn making it a very slow process.
If someone has the ability to put up a mirror we should be all for it.
I agree if someone wants to setup a mirror and foot the bill... thats great. Both mirrors and torrents can coexist in my view.
Quote from: totallymaxed on January 30, 2008, 05:34:04 PM
Quote from: jgaffney on January 30, 2008, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: Zaerc on January 30, 2008, 06:02:31 AM
Quote from: jgaffney on January 30, 2008, 01:40:57 AM
I disagree about the Torrents. It's a great concept, but the reality is they always end up extremely slooooooooow and can take days to pull down something that should take a few hours.
It's like bringing home a fat chick, sounds like a good idea at 2:00 am. But the end results are never good.
Spoken like a true leech. ;D If people would bother to seed... it should only take a few hours. But I guess complaining is easier then helping out and carrying your own weight for a change.
Your right, IF people would seed AND have decent upload speeds (Usually not the case with DSL or less). But most don't or just can't. Not to mention there are some ISPs that block torrents. The other catch to torrents is people only seed if the are downloading at the same time so it only works well if alot of people want the same thing at the same time.
Like I said, the concept is great but their are other factors involved that make it tough to work the way it should. In turn making it a very slow process.
If someone has the ability to put up a mirror we should be all for it.
I agree if someone wants to setup a mirror and foot the bill... thats great. Both mirrors and torrents can coexist in my view.
And still the best (not to mention most efficient) way to mirror, is to simply seed the torrent. Having a few good solid dedicated seeders (instead of mirrors) should solve any possible speed issues instantly, better then any mirror ever could.
Apart from that, a bunch of people have reported broken downloads from plain mirrors in the past and having to download over and over again, this problem is non-existant with torrents and you don't have the hassle of having to reassemble parts only to discover the md5sum doesn't match.
I have been thinking about looking into how to upload it to a newsgroup. I know i typically prefer to download large ISO files and updates from newsgroup postings due to the speed i get over any other download method with a good newsserver.
Yeah had had that idea myself as similarly I use newsgroups a lot.
However I dont think it is something a arge number of people have access to.
Regards
In my experience, torrents are far superior to standard http/ftp mirriors, always maxing out my d/l speed on distros.
And if one plans to set up a normal mirror, one can just as well set it up as a seedbox for the torrent.
Quote from: Zaerc on January 30, 2008, 07:45:26 PM
And still the best (not to mention most efficient) way to mirror, is to simply seed the torrent. Having a few good solid dedicated seeders (instead of mirrors) should solve any possible speed issues instantly, better then any mirror ever could.
Apart from that, a bunch of people have reported broken downloads from plain mirrors in the past and having to download over and over again, this problem is non-existant with torrents and you don't have the hassle of having to reassemble parts only to discover the md5sum doesn't match.
I have thought of the same thing over and over again! There would be no more slow torrents nor would there be such a big strain on the mirrors as it would all be spread out evenly *and* everybody who downloads it would be giving *something* back, no matter how fast they are, every bit helps... Literally!
Quote from: skerit on January 31, 2008, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: Zaerc on January 30, 2008, 07:45:26 PM
And still the best (not to mention most efficient) way to mirror, is to simply seed the torrent. Having a few good solid dedicated seeders (instead of mirrors) should solve any possible speed issues instantly, better then any mirror ever could.
Apart from that, a bunch of people have reported broken downloads from plain mirrors in the past and having to download over and over again, this problem is non-existant with torrents and you don't have the hassle of having to reassemble parts only to discover the md5sum doesn't match.
I have thought of the same thing over and over again! There would be no more slow torrents nor would there be such a big strain on the mirrors as it would all be spread out evenly *and* everybody who downloads it would be giving *something* back, no matter how fast they are, every bit helps... Literally!
When I downloaded 7.10 in 64 and 32 bit version... my speeds were generally in the 600-800K range.... that's fast... I don't think I've ever gotten higher than that from a mirror... in my experience torrents are just as fast if not faster... IF enough people seed.... and with the built-in checking of the file, you can't beat it...
600-800k? Aah, such divine speeds!
I used to have nice speeds, 550kb/s at best, when I lived in the city. But now I'm back in this farmer-like-village, so 300kb/s really is the best I can do...
Being surrounded by nature is fun, but *daaammnnn* my adsl speeds! :P
Errr, I'm going off-topic here
Quote from: rrambo on January 31, 2008, 08:00:42 PM
When I downloaded 7.10 in 64 and 32 bit version... my speeds were generally in the 600-800K range.... that's fast... I don't think I've ever gotten higher than that from a mirror... in my experience torrents are just as fast if not faster... IF enough people seed.... and with the built-in checking of the file, you can't beat it...
The problem is the difference in upload / download speeds. When you have an 10mb/768K it would take 10-15 active up loaders for every 1 downloader. When i downloaded linuxmce i was getting about 500-600K yet vs the 1-2MB/sec i get from newsgroups. This isn't so much a complaint about torrents, but more of the way the ISPs sell bandwidth. Between the speed differential as well as the latest with blocking and forging packets to disallow p2p services in order for torrents to remain a viable distribution option something is going to have to force the isp's hand.
Quote from: Loki008 on January 31, 2008, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: rrambo on January 31, 2008, 08:00:42 PM
When I downloaded 7.10 in 64 and 32 bit version... my speeds were generally in the 600-800K range.... that's fast... I don't think I've ever gotten higher than that from a mirror... in my experience torrents are just as fast if not faster... IF enough people seed.... and with the built-in checking of the file, you can't beat it...
The problem is the difference in upload / download speeds. When you have an 10mb/768K it would take 10-15 active up loaders for every 1 downloader. When i downloaded linuxmce i was getting about 500-600K yet vs the 1-2MB/sec i get from newsgroups. This isn't so much a complaint about torrents, but more of the way the ISPs sell bandwidth. Between the speed differential as well as the latest with blocking and forging packets to disallow p2p services in order for torrents to remain a viable distribution option something is going to have to force the isp's hand.
Which is not an issue at all when you have a few dedicated seeds (mirrors are usually also not hosted on home connections). ISPs that interfere with your datastreams are not worth your money, get a real ISP instead.
Quote from: Zaerc on January 31, 2008, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: Loki008 on January 31, 2008, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: rrambo on January 31, 2008, 08:00:42 PM
When I downloaded 7.10 in 64 and 32 bit version... my speeds were generally in the 600-800K range.... that's fast... I don't think I've ever gotten higher than that from a mirror... in my experience torrents are just as fast if not faster... IF enough people seed.... and with the built-in checking of the file, you can't beat it...
The problem is the difference in upload / download speeds. When you have an 10mb/768K it would take 10-15 active up loaders for every 1 downloader. When i downloaded linuxmce i was getting about 500-600K yet vs the 1-2MB/sec i get from newsgroups. This isn't so much a complaint about torrents, but more of the way the ISPs sell bandwidth. Between the speed differential as well as the latest with blocking and forging packets to disallow p2p services in order for torrents to remain a viable distribution option something is going to have to force the isp's hand.
Which is not an issue at all when you have a few dedicated seeds (mirrors are usually also not hosted on home connections). ISPs that interfere with your datastreams are not worth your money, get a real ISP instead.
Unfortunatly unless you want dialup most parts of the US has one Cable provider and one DSL provider, you have no say in who that is. Each provider bids for the license for the particular markets. That is one of the issues about network neutrality, at least here in the US we dont often have the choice to "get a real ISP instead."
Quote from: Loki008 on January 31, 2008, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: Zaerc on January 31, 2008, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: Loki008 on January 31, 2008, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: rrambo on January 31, 2008, 08:00:42 PM
When I downloaded 7.10 in 64 and 32 bit version... my speeds were generally in the 600-800K range.... that's fast... I don't think I've ever gotten higher than that from a mirror... in my experience torrents are just as fast if not faster... IF enough people seed.... and with the built-in checking of the file, you can't beat it...
The problem is the difference in upload / download speeds. When you have an 10mb/768K it would take 10-15 active up loaders for every 1 downloader. When i downloaded linuxmce i was getting about 500-600K yet vs the 1-2MB/sec i get from newsgroups. This isn't so much a complaint about torrents, but more of the way the ISPs sell bandwidth. Between the speed differential as well as the latest with blocking and forging packets to disallow p2p services in order for torrents to remain a viable distribution option something is going to have to force the isp's hand.
Which is not an issue at all when you have a few dedicated seeds (mirrors are usually also not hosted on home connections). ISPs that interfere with your datastreams are not worth your money, get a real ISP instead.
Unfortunatly unless you want dialup most parts of the US has one Cable provider and one DSL provider, you have no say in who that is. Each provider bids for the license for the particular markets. That is one of the issues about network neutrality, at least here in the US we dont often have the choice to "get a real ISP instead."
Aparently only a small number of ISPs actually interfere with BT traffic: http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs#United_States_of_America and most of the time they only throttle upload, which in this particular case of having dedicated seeders is not an issue.
Please also note the actual number of users that came here to inform us that they are prevented from getting the files per torrent by their ISP. Somehow it seems like a very miniscule problem (if even at all) to me.
I'll setup an FTP and post info here.
I have also been trying to download 710 via the torrents. It's been 4 days and I'm currently getting 702bytes (yes bytes as in less than 1K) per second.
Quote from: grepico on February 01, 2008, 07:08:27 PM
I'll setup an FTP and post info here.
I have also been trying to download 710 via the torrents. It's been 4 days and I'm currently getting 702bytes (yes bytes as in less than 1K) per second.
Gee that's funny, I just grabbed the 0710-beta3-amd64 DVD ISO last night, eventhough it started out saying 33 days it actually took less then 2 hours...
Quote from: grepico on February 01, 2008, 07:08:27 PM
I'll setup an FTP and post info here.
I have also been trying to download 710 via the torrents. It's been 4 days and I'm currently getting 702bytes (yes bytes as in less than 1K) per second.
sounds like a problem with your isp, or your setup...
Don't think so, I sometimes get up to 15K or so and other torrents I download I can get up to 1.4Mb/sec. I'm on 2 bonded 6Mbit SDSL lines. Speed has never been a problem.
Quote from: grepico on February 01, 2008, 07:50:44 PM
Don't think so, I sometimes get up to 15K or so and other torrents I download I can get up to 1.4Mb/sec. I'm on 2 bonded 6Mbit SDSL lines. Speed has never been a problem.
there's a problem somewhere, because it's never taken me very long to download any of the torrents...
Don't know what it could be, I just tried a Morpheus download and was getting 392K/sec, Morpheus torrent 454K/sec, BitTorrent download 522K/sec. With files other than LMCE.
Download of LMCE DVD ISO is currently running in BitTorrent and I'm now getting 5.2K/sec.
I know there is no config or internet problem as anything else downloads at good speed.
Don't know what it could be other that not enough uploaders.
Edit:
LOL!! I'm uploading the damn thing at 31K/sec!!
I, too, am getting 5-8 k/s. Though in my case I'm downnloading the amd64 dvd. I imagine there might not be too many uploaders. This is a very painful, slow death. It may finish in two more days.
What happened to the ftp choices?
I also paid a mexican site $5.00 a week or so back(their fee) to download. I never got any link to their download site. What happened to it?
Wouldn't be so bad if 7.04 worked for me. It's a beautiful installation, just can't watch tv. Card locks up after ~15mins./
Just frustrated with this whole project!/end rant
9 year linux user,
Bill