issue with the 2cd install [solved]

[mungler]

ok, first I apologise for not being competent with linux. I have used plain ubuntu a bit as a user and the KDE interface still stumps me a few times when I look for something but I promise I am trying hard not to rely on the community to solve world hunger (and my install issue). Ok with that out of the way.

I have installed Kubuntu from the 7.04 release linked on the linuxMCE install pages. no issues there.

1. I downloaded the packages.iso but had to download the mce-installer separately (should I be looking elsewhere for some kind of combined iso with both parts on there? or can I continue safely.

2. I did not have gksu installed on the machine by default. I found this info in the forums where I also noted people saying I had to run the package updater. So I did this. 158 packages later I believe I now have a fully up to date feisty system. Is there anything specific I should check following this (kernel versions, etc.) and please tell me how (linux noob remember)

3. here is where I show dedication. I ran mce-installer (got the desktop icon. ran that. was prompted for my password and then nothing. a short burst of disk activity but nothing came of it despite repeated attempts.
I looked into the installer script did a bit of man file reading and then ran the tail and tar commands in a terminal to get the tmp file (tail -n 333 mce-installer.sh | tar xz -C /tmp/selfextract.XXXXXX) (I created the self extract file first and then ran the previous cmd). I then cd'd into it and ran the mce-installer in there. no joy, no life, no error message and no further chance of running the code manually.

Can anyone help me from here? Should I go forward or back? I really do want to get a lmce system installed (as I hope I have demonstrated above)

[tkmedia]

On Linuxmce Cd 1 there is a deb pkg for the Linuxmce Installer pop in cd1 and right click on the installer select kubuntu installer then select install package. This will place a shortcut to install Linuxmce use that and follow the prompts.

good luck

[Zaerc]

http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Installation_Guide#Installing_mce-installer_from_KDE_Menu

[mungler]

tkmedia - thanks. I had not looked too closely at cd1 as I made the (obviously incorrect) assumption that it was an absolutely standard kubuntu image and would not include any mce files. I'll go back a bit and try it out from the first cd and see if that plays out any differently.

Zaerc - If the steps outlined in the install guide had worked I would not be in the position I am now and would certainly not be bothering the forum. Rest assured that I will contribute all my findings to the wiki upon satisfactory completion of an install.

[Zaerc]

1. If you had followed those steps to begin with you never would have downloaded the mce-installer seperately as it belongs to the old version.

2. Updating your kubuntu install before (or even after) putting LMCE on top of it is not going to work properly.

3. After breaking the system like you did in 1&2 there is no way to fix it.

Feel free to tell me again how you were just following those "non-working" instructions in the wiki to the letter.

[tkmedia]

Just took a look at your earlier post about fdisk did you type sudo fdisk or just fdisk.


 

[mungler]

I'm not trying to start any kind of argument here, I simply wish to install linuxmce and the instructions are not correct. but did you read my previous post?

1. If you had followed those steps to begin with you never would have downloaded the mce-installer seperately as it belongs to the old version.

if you read the instructions the first step after downloading iso's is to install the mce-installer. No mention is made of where the installer is just "Right click on it." with a screenshot of the file magically on the desktop.
The alternative is the comand prompt install which directs me to mount the LinuxMCE_0704_CD1.iso, which i didn't even have. I had downloaded the kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso as directd in the clean kubuntu install section. Obviously it needs to be cleared up exactly which combination of iso's are required (i ended up with kubuntu live cd and linuxmce packages iso's which is obviously not ideal).

2. Updating your kubuntu install before (or even after) putting LMCE on top of it is not going to work properly.

I am guessing, as I have not tried it, that if I had downloaded a different iso from the one in the clean kubuntu section in the install guide I would have gksu installed as it did not appear to be available from the kubuntu live cd. it is clear that there are several install paths and the install guide is a bit unclear in this respect.

3. After breaking the system like you did in 1&2 there is no way to fix it.

Ok, thank you. if it is true that updating those packages has made it impossible to continue then I shall wipe the machine and start again. Please can you advise me which iso's I should be using, by name or by link, as it is clear that doing a clean kubuntu install from the live cd and then starting linuxMCE install does not work smoothly.

Feel free to tell me again how you were just following those "non-working" instructions in the wiki to the letter.

I followed the instructions to the letter  . clean kubuntu install points 1 - 10. Then step one of linux mce install. However, seen as I only got as far as the first step in the MCE instructions before it was clear that they were not working I started to investigate why so that I may contribute to the instructions to reduce further install woes for other linux n00b's like me. I could just moan and then say I am going back to WIN XP MCE but I would like to actually use linuxMCE before I make that kind of judgement and I'm sure other people would like that oppertunity as well.

SO, I am going to wipe my machine, download some different iso's and try again making notes as I go along. I may post some more questions on the forum about my installs, so if you feel like giving some constructive responses feel free to reply.

Don't hate me because I am determined!

[mungler]

Ok, so I have downloaded the correct linuxmce cd1 and cd2 iso's. and reinstalled the mce-installer from cd1 using the command line method to mount the image. it worked great and zaerc was correct, the installer I was trying to use previously was an older version. I'm going to draft some changes to the install instruction page to stop others making this mistake. I'll post it in a seperate thread later.

when I ran the new installer it actually did something (yay progress). My system was checked and I received the (expected) message that I had changed some packages (i have not cleaned the machine yet, just continuing from where I left off). However what the diff list showed me was surprising. the only package listed as changed was as follows:
CHANGED 'wodim' '1.1.2-1ubuntu1' '1.1.2-1'

the version numbers are the same with only the "ubuntu1" missing. This would suggest to me that there is only a minor difference between the two perhaps only cosmetic changes to the file. But, ofcourse, I can not say for certain as I am not a linux expert, just a part time linux user.

Zaerc, considering your previous comment about package updates breaking the machine I would have thought there would have been more items highlighted (i updated 158 packages after the clean install (all feisty updates though, no gusty's that I noticed)! Do you think it is still wise to continue? Is it possible that other dependant packages are not listed here which could affect the success of my install? I would rather continue with this install than go back to square one and you seem to be knowledgeable on this front.

[Zaerc]

I'm not trying to start any kind of argument here, I simply wish to install linuxmce and the instructions are not correct. but did you read my previous post?

1. If you had followed those steps to begin with you never would have downloaded the mce-installer seperately as it belongs to the old version.

if you read the instructions the first step after downloading iso's is to install the mce-installer. No mention is made of where the installer is just "Right click on it." with a screenshot of the file magically on the desktop.
The alternative is the comand prompt install which directs me to mount the LinuxMCE_0704_CD1.iso, which i didn't even have. I had downloaded the kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso as directd in the clean kubuntu install section. Obviously it needs to be cleared up exactly which combination of iso's are required (i ended up with kubuntu live cd and linuxmce packages iso's which is obviously not ideal).

Installation Guide:

From within the Kubuntu 7.04 desktop, open Firefox (the orange and blue icon at the top), and go to www.linuxmce.com and select 'Download Instructions' to download the Linux MCE CD`s or the DVD on your machine. Or just use this direct link click here

Download Instructions:

The CD installer comes on 2 CDs and requires you to first install Kubuntu 7.04 using Kubuntu's Live CD, and then to install LinuxMCE on top. The CD installer can only be installed on a Kubuntu 7.04 installation that has not already been upgraded, since LinuxMCE has its own update mechanism that updates both Kubuntu and LinuxMCE in parallel. The CD installer gives you a lot more options. After answering the setup questions, it takes a couple of hours to install since everything is stored in .deb packages which must be decompressed and installed. The Installation Guide explains how to install with the CD installer.

Mirrors:

Official Torrents: http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/3764634/LinuxMCE_0704_CDs.3764634.TPB.torrent

Had you cared to read and follow this you would have ended up with a LinuxMCE_0704_CD1.iso and LinuxMCE_0704_CD2.iso, you also would have known not to upgrade the kubuntu install.

2. Updating your kubuntu install before (or even after) putting LMCE on top of it is not going to work properly.

I am guessing, as I have not tried it, that if I had downloaded a different iso from the one in the clean kubuntu section in the install guide I would have gksu installed as it did not appear to be available from the kubuntu live cd. it is clear that there are several install paths and the install guide is a bit unclear in this respect.

Troubleshooting

Make sure you are using the MCE installer from the CD's Not from the link on the web site, the one the web site is for ubuntu 6.10

If you used the one from the link on the website. Delete the install script and install the one from the CD.

Now I'm just guessing here, but you probably wouldn't have needed gksu if you had followed the instructions to begin with.  I suspect that is part of the outdated (version 1.0 for ubuntu-6.10) lmce-installer package, does point 7 here sound familiar to you?  Nowhere in the instructions does it tel you to use this, but you did anyway.

3. After breaking the system like you did in 1&2 there is no way to fix it.

Ok, thank you. if it is true that updating those packages has made it impossible to continue then I shall wipe the machine and start again. Please can you advise me which iso's I should be using, by name or by link, as it is clear that doing a clean kubuntu install from the live cd and then starting linuxMCE install does not work smoothly.

I think I just did and yes it usually does work smoothly, had you bothered to actually read up on what you're doing.

Feel free to tell me again how you were just following those "non-working" instructions in the wiki to the letter.

I followed the instructions to the letter  . clean kubuntu install points 1 - 10. Then step one of linux mce install. However, seen as I only got as far as the first step in the MCE instructions before it was clear that they were not working I started to investigate why so that I may contribute to the instructions to reduce further install woes for other linux n00b's like me. I could just moan and then say I am going back to WIN XP MCE but I would like to actually use linuxMCE before I make that kind of judgement and I'm sure other people would like that oppertunity as well.

SO, I am going to wipe my machine, download some different iso's and try again making notes as I go along. I may post some more questions on the forum about my installs, so if you feel like giving some constructive responses feel free to reply.

Don't hate me because I am determined!

I'm pretty sure most other people can actually be bothered to read up on what they are trying to do.  And they're usually a lot less annoying when asking for help.  They sure don't go through these lengths of trouble to blatently lie about (not) following the instructions, as it seems pretty clear by now that you weren't doing that at all to begin with. 

[mungler]

Zaerc, thanks for taking the time to reply with the information. I see now that I did miss that part you quoted from the download instructions. As I was reading the install guide and I used the direct link. I completely missed the download instructions point. I think it would be wise to restate it in the actual install guide as it is an important point, as is only too clear to me now.

The link to the other thread regarding gksu was not the one I had found . Had I seen this thread instead, with much better information, I would indeed have saved a lot of time and effort.

As for your other, somewhat personal, inflammatory and irrelevant comments. I shall assume that you are just venting steam at having to answer this sort of question for the 1,000,000th time. Thanks again for helping me out.

[Zaerc]

You're welcome, usually I ignore these posts by now but I guess I was bored and you got on my nerves.  I think you do have a point that at least some of these things could be indicated more clearly and less scattered around, the instructions aren't ideal but they do work.  After all this is a community run by volunteers and most people get through the install once and never look back at it. 

I suppose these older instructions might have suited you better: http://wiki.linuxmce.com/index.php/Version_1_1#How_to_Install.28New_Installation.29 I guess nobody ever got around to merging them into the main installation page but I have suggested that now.

[joesixpack]

hey zearc... stop being a dick.

[Zaerc]

hey zearc... stop being a dick.

Hey joesixpack... start answering these posts so I won't have to.