Another "failed to setup x" issue...

[JaseP]

Good to see you've been met with success...

I was going to suggest trying an nVidia card or the open source ATI card drivers...

Once you get over the Linux learning curve, going back to Windoze makes Windoze seem like a juvenile, video gaming operating system.

Linux has all the power of a computing center's operating system with unmatched scalability & flexibility... And it costs nothing...

A few simple things to remember,... In Linux, everything is a file... Partitions are loaded as mount points and not given drive letters,... even if the X-server goes down, the rest of the system is usually running (and can be used to kill off the offending application too... Hiting Alt+Ctrl+F1 for a terminal and using killall -9 offending-programs-name is your friend, as is the top command),.... you don't need a virus scanner because (a) the system architecture tends to stop proliferation of viruses, and (b) programs are not set to run on download without permission (generally speaking),... and NOT because there are so few Linux machines out there (the Internet practically runs primarily on Linux (although saying that might spark a flame war).

Linux rewards learning... Knowledge is power...

[Normand_Nadon]

Amen! 

I'dd like to ask... how can you run on ATI's open source drivers?

I read a lot about it but couldn't figure how to do it!

[JaseP]

Look for them in the Distro's repository.  The easiest way to look through the repositories is with the graphical software installation and update tool, in Ubuntu's case they use synaptic for the non-KDE UIs. In Fedora and other RPM based distros it's YUM (stands for Yet another Update Manager).

[l3mce]

A few things...
1. Get a decent nvidia card.
2. All of the installing and reinstalling in the world is going to result in the same failure, as the avwizard actively replaces it during load.
3. What you will want to do is replace "fglrx" with "radeon" in the xorg.conf.pluto.avwizard because your card is not supported by the better driver.
4. if that does NOT fix the problem, look on the forum for ATI. I have there a process to purge the fglrx drivers and use the native radeon.
5. Get a decent nvidia card.

Good luck!

[JaseP]

@ #1 & #5 ... That tells me that the AV wizard needs tuning...

PS: Don't give me the LCME is an appliance speech & don't be a hater... peace.

[l3mce]

Yes... I have 4 months invested in that very thing.

What about you?


EEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeexactly.

Good day.

[JaseP]

Please see my post in the other thread re: self-righteousness...

I've been helping people switch to Linux for a decade ...

Nobody's got nothing on me...

[l3mce]

I booted linux up for the first time less than 2 years ago, and I'm doing development work... so... I have that on you.

re self-righteousness... see hypocrisy. You don't understand how the system works, and presume to make unrealistic suggestions... then start a pissing match because "everyone keeps telling you the same thing". It is your self righteousness that is the problem... not everyone elses.

It's like walking into a surgery center giving advice with no medical background other than treating your own illness.

The system, was DESIGNED, to work this way. It is the GOAL of the project to achieve this DESIGN in an evolving environment. No, the entire foundation of the code will not be rewritten because you want it to work differently.

Self-righteous indeed.

btw... since I began this exchange with you, I have added these unique PCI IDs to the card detection routine.

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Why are you wasting my time?

[golgoj4]

Please see my post in the other thread re: self-righteousness...

I've been helping people switch to Linux for a decade ...

Nobody's got nothing on me...

which is why you and all your wonderful skills are here in the forum instead of doing something of consequence like l3mce. Cue excuse making in 3...2...1....

i know we arent supposed to try and drive people away, but damn if don't need people wise enough to realize what they don't know. and that last line...what are you a 70's exploitation flick character?

oh well, breaktime over. back to doing useful things!
-golgoj4

[Normand_Nadon]

I am really happy to enter the Linux world with such a bunch of mature people 

Please, I asked a question, could we please keep the topic on that question
unstead of going in the "mine's bigger than yours" area? Please!!!

As I said, I am experiencing with old cards I have before I go out and buy a
new 100-150$ card and realise that my system will never keep up!

I would like to know if my AMD 1200+ will be strong enough to do the basic
tasking that the MCE server asks from it... If not, I'll revise my strategy and
go for a brand new Micro ATX board with probably an AMD APU (if supported)
and onboard HDMI... For that, I need to first try it out!

I do realise that nVidia is the #1 choice for GPU on linux... but in AGP, they
are hard to come by at a decent price... Any suggestion on a WELL SUPPORTED
card that can take a huge load off the main CPU ?

 - Normand

[Marie.O]

Let's say this: My test core for a while, which was able to do 720p MPEG2 display, was an ASUS B202. If you current computer is as fast as that, you shouldn't have a problem, apart from waits during Orbiter generation. Don't buy a 100-120USD card. You can get nVidia based cards which do VDPAU for way less than that. No need to get the latest and greatest. Just check with nVidia what VDPAU level they support.

[golgoj4]

I am really happy to enter the Linux world with such a bunch of mature people 

Please, I asked a question, could we please keep the topic on that question
unstead of going in the "mine's bigger than yours" area? Please!!!

As I said, I am experiencing with old cards I have before I go out and buy a
new 100-150$ card and realise that my system will never keep up!

I would like to know if my AMD 1200+ will be strong enough to do the basic
tasking that the MCE server asks from it... If not, I'll revise my strategy and
go for a brand new Micro ATX board with probably an AMD APU (if supported)
and onboard HDMI... For that, I need to first try it out!

I do realise that nVidia is the #1 choice for GPU on linux... but in AGP, they
are hard to come by at a decent price... Any suggestion on a WELL SUPPORTED
card that can take a huge load off the main CPU ?

 - Normand

What can I say. Some of us developers dont appreciate trolls. As far as your problem, there is a reason when someone asks about video cards we say Nvidia and Nvidia only. Now, there is a whole line of cards made by NVidia that work, and not much else. And they really aren't that expensive. I got my 450gts for $80.

Lastly, you cant take an old car and expect it to do new things. Either you invest in the new car, or you enjoy the old one. Sometimes there is no middle ground and this is one of those times.

-golgoj4, a guy who paid attention to the hardware requirements and thusly does not have these problems.

[JaseP]

@ Normand:

A card like the following:
     eVGA e-GeForce 6200 Graphics card - 512 MB - DDR2 SDRAM
Ought to work just fine and you should be able to find one for under $40 US. You might have to get it online though.

[Normand_Nadon]

You talk about Hardware requirements... I did not see anything really clear
on that subject.. only supposition that some setup could or have already
been used etc...

The most important thing for me if I buy another Graphic card, is that it
has to take most of the processing, like video decoding etc so that the
CPU only "works" on data transfer... That is the reason why I'll get a
Hauppage tuner to... so that the main CPU only has to transfer file
already converted in MPEG2 by the tuner to the network.

So.. Would you say a 450GTS could do that for me?

[JaseP]

Any relatively modern graphics card will support hardware 2D & 3D acceleration. Even an embedded Intel chipset will do that. The real problem is compatibility with the LinuxMCE software stack... Until 10.04 it was a real issue getting anything other than nVidia GPUs to work (and one of the major reasons I had stayed away).

I don't think you'll have any major issues (performance wise) with your intended setup. Just stay away from ATI video. It's not supported well under LinuxMCE. If you want to do anything non standard with your setup, you'll likely have a tough time, especially with little Linux experience. Plus, the developers won't likely help you with that. There may have been someone in the wiki who got it working,... but they probably had to do a lot of work to get it to that state. That's why I suggested sticking to 10.04 for HVR-1600 support.

As for the hardware requirements being listed in a clear fashion,... You = preacher,... Me = choir.

PS: With an nVidia GPU and the HVR-1600 you MAY have to pass aboot parameter in the Grub2 setup. Someone mentioned that, and I've had issues with that in the past.