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Users / Re: I need help with VoIP Phones/Headset
« on: October 02, 2009, 06:04:40 pm »
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Users / Re: pls dont nuke me, I have a question
« on: September 23, 2009, 08:13:29 pm »
Yes, I'm sorry, not the OP, trentend is whom the comment was referring to.
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Users / Re: pls dont nuke me, I have a question
« on: September 23, 2009, 08:03:37 pm »Quote from: Dale_KTo me, the fact that the original poster's title is "pls dont nuke me, I have a question" speaks volumes about how the average user feels about this forum and it's a shame.err, wrong. I question the intentions of the initial poster. Starting a topic that way is not the best introduction. See, many ppl here get help and answers to their questions without "getting nuked". Follow the netiquette, do some effort on your own and ask serious questions. Plenty of people here even spoon-feed newbies. How do you think you are qualified to judge the "average user feels"? Just because a few people try to start flame wars - like in every other forum - it would be foolish to say people fear to ask questions. Look how many answers are provided _every day_, without anybody fearing "to get nuked".
The answer was given, we've considered LTS plenty of times, we will reconsider in the future. trentend was trying hard to drive this thread into an off-topic flame war after we've explained the facts from our side.
Hari
I think I have to disagree. Yes, a great many people get help in these forums, myself included. But, even if the ratio of helpful vs. disparaging replies is 50:1, the one will and does discourage posters and incite users to say things like "don't nuke me". I'm willing to bet I could search these forums and link at least 20 posts with ease in which the poster was addressed with sarcasm, insults and/or hostility in some form, including this one. You have to be honest, I'm not the only person ever to make this observation.
Again, as I stated in my original reply, I see both sides of this situation. But I do feel like the few people that are entertaining the idea of contributing might be discouraged by the minority of posts that are met with hostility.
Also, after re-reading this entire thread, I don't really see where trentend tried to "drive this thread into an off-topic flame war". It seems to me that he responded to replies with reasonable suggestions/questions. It may be that he isn't well enough versed in the project to fully understand it's limitations, but that's why people ask questions isn't it?
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Users / Re: pls dont nuke me, I have a question
« on: September 23, 2009, 06:41:28 pm »
On the topic of contributors and/or a lack thereof:
I've seen this topic raised many times, by Thom and others. It's an interesting argument in which I can see both sides. Devs I'm sure feel under appreciated and somewhat alone in their efforts as they see dozens of 'regular' people utilizing their hard work and in some cases criticizing it.
On the other end you have users that most likely feel initially overwhelmed with the complexity of a system they barely understand and feel like they can't or shouldn't ask questions for fear of being chastised. To me, the fact that the original poster's title is "pls dont nuke me, I have a question" speaks volumes about how the average user feels about this forum and it's a shame.
From the perspective of a technically computer savvy person, yet not savvy with Linux or Programming at all, I can tell you this; I'm attempting to learn about the guts of LMCE while simultaneously trying to learn how to program so that when I am able to contribute it's not horrible code to be made fun of. I have already contributed a little with a couple of wiki's and trying to help out others, but it's not the big dev help we need.
So, what's the hold up? As I've said before, LMCE's boon is also it's bane. It's a HUGE, COMPLEX system. For my part, I simply had no idea where to start. I don't have a solid understanding of Linux let alone the complexity LMCE adds to it so I had to start at the bassist of levels and it's very slow going (I, like everyone here, can only work on it in my spare time). The main issue is the 'where to start'. If we had available to us some sort of specific overview of the mechanics of LMCE it would go a long way toward inciting users to 'dig in'.
An example of this is the Video Looping (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Video_Playlist_-_Enable_Looping) article I added. 90% of the time I spent trying to make that work was spent just trying to find out what part of the software was responsible for the playing of video. A forum post had some suggestions that didn't work, IRC was helpful in terms of the mechanics of building a dev environment, compiling code, etc., but no one knew definitively where to look for looping video. That part was pure trial and error on my part. The process was literally one of me staring at the dev files and opening anything that looked like it dealt with video then searching the file for anything that looked like it might pertain to looping, eventually stumbling on the xine file in the article. I'm sure everyone will agree that if that were the process necessary for any dev improvement even the most staunch supporters would become discouraged.
So, what's the point to all that rambling? The people that 'know' need to help the people that don't understand the system. If there were more information about the construction and interaction of the different systems in LMCE, I think more people would be inclined to 'dig in'. I'm not talking about setup help, I'm talking about dev information, i.e. What exactly is DCE and how do the different subsystems interact with it? When someone plays a movie, what systems are engaged, in what order do they engage?
I think if we as potential contributors had more information on the workings of the system we'd have an idea of where to start and where to start is often the most difficult part of any undertaking.
I've seen this topic raised many times, by Thom and others. It's an interesting argument in which I can see both sides. Devs I'm sure feel under appreciated and somewhat alone in their efforts as they see dozens of 'regular' people utilizing their hard work and in some cases criticizing it.
On the other end you have users that most likely feel initially overwhelmed with the complexity of a system they barely understand and feel like they can't or shouldn't ask questions for fear of being chastised. To me, the fact that the original poster's title is "pls dont nuke me, I have a question" speaks volumes about how the average user feels about this forum and it's a shame.
From the perspective of a technically computer savvy person, yet not savvy with Linux or Programming at all, I can tell you this; I'm attempting to learn about the guts of LMCE while simultaneously trying to learn how to program so that when I am able to contribute it's not horrible code to be made fun of. I have already contributed a little with a couple of wiki's and trying to help out others, but it's not the big dev help we need.
So, what's the hold up? As I've said before, LMCE's boon is also it's bane. It's a HUGE, COMPLEX system. For my part, I simply had no idea where to start. I don't have a solid understanding of Linux let alone the complexity LMCE adds to it so I had to start at the bassist of levels and it's very slow going (I, like everyone here, can only work on it in my spare time). The main issue is the 'where to start'. If we had available to us some sort of specific overview of the mechanics of LMCE it would go a long way toward inciting users to 'dig in'.
An example of this is the Video Looping (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Video_Playlist_-_Enable_Looping) article I added. 90% of the time I spent trying to make that work was spent just trying to find out what part of the software was responsible for the playing of video. A forum post had some suggestions that didn't work, IRC was helpful in terms of the mechanics of building a dev environment, compiling code, etc., but no one knew definitively where to look for looping video. That part was pure trial and error on my part. The process was literally one of me staring at the dev files and opening anything that looked like it dealt with video then searching the file for anything that looked like it might pertain to looping, eventually stumbling on the xine file in the article. I'm sure everyone will agree that if that were the process necessary for any dev improvement even the most staunch supporters would become discouraged.
So, what's the point to all that rambling? The people that 'know' need to help the people that don't understand the system. If there were more information about the construction and interaction of the different systems in LMCE, I think more people would be inclined to 'dig in'. I'm not talking about setup help, I'm talking about dev information, i.e. What exactly is DCE and how do the different subsystems interact with it? When someone plays a movie, what systems are engaged, in what order do they engage?
I think if we as potential contributors had more information on the workings of the system we'd have an idea of where to start and where to start is often the most difficult part of any undertaking.
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Users / Re: Remove user PIN
« on: September 23, 2009, 05:34:35 pm »
Remove the pin?!? How would you hide your porn?
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Users / Re: Disable Audio Loop / Repeat?
« on: September 23, 2009, 05:21:42 pm »
As I was the one that posted the above wiki, I tested disabling the audio looping by deleting the 'storedaudio' section of that code and recompiling. It seems to work as expected, audio and playlists no longer loop.
No adverse effects seem to be appearing.
There may be a simpler way that I'm not familiar with.
No adverse effects seem to be appearing.
There may be a simpler way that I'm not familiar with.
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Users / Re: Wireless Touchpanel
« on: September 02, 2009, 04:09:14 pm »The lenovo IdeaCentre C300 looks amazing for central control panel. Sure it's more expensive but its screen is 20" with resolution 1600x900. It can be MD and TV in one as well.
Looks very nice for a Kitchen MD or the like but no touch screen and a bit too big to be a handheld orbiter.
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Users / WebDT 366 eWindows OS image.
« on: September 01, 2009, 06:12:10 pm »
Anybody know where I can get the Windows image for a WebDT 366? I called DT Research and they were no help whatsoever. They actually answered the phone "Hello". LOL
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Users / Re: Wireless Touchpanel
« on: August 26, 2009, 11:26:05 pm »
I'm OK with the price. My main question is can I use any Windows/Linux based webpad with WiFi to run weborbiter? Another bonus to being able to do this is the ability to browse the internet on the webpad.
I'll probably end up buying a CrunchPad as soon as they're available regardless so that would be exactly the kind of device I'm talking about using. Would it work?
I'll probably end up buying a CrunchPad as soon as they're available regardless so that would be exactly the kind of device I'm talking about using. Would it work?
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Users / Wireless Touchpanel
« on: August 26, 2009, 07:39:36 pm »
This may be a stupid question but I'm wondering if I can get any wireless touchpanel computer (Like the WebDT but new) and run the weborbiter on it?
I'm looking for an available wireless device similar to the WebDT that I can buy new instead of having to buy used stuff that can have issues such as battery life, scratches, etc. I hate showing off my supercool system with a scratched up WebDT.
I'm looking for an available wireless device similar to the WebDT that I can buy new instead of having to buy used stuff that can have issues such as battery life, scratches, etc. I hate showing off my supercool system with a scratched up WebDT.
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Users / Re: Trying to get a hybrid visible on a windows network
« on: August 24, 2009, 09:46:19 pm »Dale_K , you strongly recommended that I get back to a two NIC configuration....is this the same as using LinuxMCE as intended (setting up a core and then having a separate MD player tied to the core)?
Speedyone
You don't have to use a separate MD, the Core can be your MD. The important thing is that you have two NICs in the core to establish separate internal and external network interfaces. This will make sure that all the network features (DHCP, DNS, etc.) work as smoothly as possible and makes troubleshooting much easier.
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Users / Re: Trying to get a hybrid visible on a windows network
« on: August 17, 2009, 06:47:39 pm »
What this amounts to is you have the external cable on your hybrid plugged into your internet router as well as your Windows machine. You end up with the Windows machine on the same external LAN as your Hybrid, both getting DHCP info from your router. (Typically something like 192.168.1.xx/24)
The problem you are encountering is that by default, the external (internet) interface of the Hybrid is firewalled. In order to "see" that machine from your Windows box you need to disable the firewall in the WebAdmin. Once disabled, just type \\dcerouter in an Explorer window and up will come your Hybrid. You may have to use the IP address of the Hybrid as I'm not sure that DNS will work properly in a single NIC configuration.
Note: In the single NIC configuration LMCE will create "virtual" NICs (I think its something like Eth0.1 and Eth0.2). This will typically cause endless problems and I'd strongly recommend getting back to a two NIC configuration. Having said that, given that you are not running any MD's, the single NIC configuration can work but don't attempt to add ANY IP devices to your LMCE install or you'll have nothing but headaches.
The problem you are encountering is that by default, the external (internet) interface of the Hybrid is firewalled. In order to "see" that machine from your Windows box you need to disable the firewall in the WebAdmin. Once disabled, just type \\dcerouter in an Explorer window and up will come your Hybrid. You may have to use the IP address of the Hybrid as I'm not sure that DNS will work properly in a single NIC configuration.
Note: In the single NIC configuration LMCE will create "virtual" NICs (I think its something like Eth0.1 and Eth0.2). This will typically cause endless problems and I'd strongly recommend getting back to a two NIC configuration. Having said that, given that you are not running any MD's, the single NIC configuration can work but don't attempt to add ANY IP devices to your LMCE install or you'll have nothing but headaches.
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Users / Re: Who is currently using the Fiire gyro remote?? Please vote
« on: August 17, 2009, 05:25:40 pm »
I have two Fiire Chiefs and they're my main method of controlling my system. So much so that I will most likely not upgrade to 810 if they're not supported.
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Users / Re: MD?? - Packard Bell imax mini c2900
« on: July 29, 2009, 07:54:03 pm »
Wow, Packard Bell is still making computers?
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Users / Re: Supported wall panel orbiters?
« on: July 28, 2009, 10:12:27 pm »
The Dianemo site has an in-wall orbiter displayed, what are they using?