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General => Users => Topic started by: davegravy on September 22, 2009, 03:38:38 pm
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There are a few grammar and spelling errors that take away from the professional look and feel of the page. I'd like to suggest a few corrections, to whom can I send them?
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Here's what i've seen:
- Logins do not function after registration
- SVN explanation is blank http://www.linuxmce.org/index.php/developer/svn
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Ok, well we can just do a thread here for edits I suppose. Here are my suggestions.
Main Page
Gaming:
Remember the good old 80's? Remember the arcade games and long nights with your buddies? Where have all the console games gone? Just sit down in front of your Media Director, have it call your buddies, and start playing all the old stuff in any room you like....just like in the good old 80's.
Telecom:
(I think this section needs to focus on the advantages of the system over a POTS that most home users are used to... below is just a suggestion)
Wouldn't it be great if your telephone system would know if you are home, which room you are in, whether or not you want to accept phone calls, and cater to your preferences?! Wouldn't it be great if you could block calls from persistent telemarketer phone numbers, or take advantage of cheap long distance rates available in a multitude of Voice Over IP plans? With LinuxMCE all of this is possible, and more.
Climate:
You are watching your favorite movie and it is getting hotter and hotter. Let LinuxMCE control your temperature and your blinds automatically. In the morning, have your blinds go up, and in the evening, automatically down. With LinuxMCE, you can say goodbye to having too much sun in your Living Room while watching TV.
Lighting:
You've had a hard day, and have finally settled on the sofa for the night and begun listening to your favorite music. You forgot to turn of the lights in the garden, frontdoor, or 3rd floor of your flat? Hey, it doesn't matter! With a touch of your cellphone, you can control every light in your house.
Security:
Ever wanted to know what your kids are doing when you are not at home? Do you want to be notified whenever someone stumbles into your garden? Someone is at your front door, but you are not around: Wouldn't it be great if you could control your home as if you were there?
Media:
Store your audio and video collection in one central location on your home network and access it from any Media Director in your home, or stream it to any location over the internet. Record TV shows for later viewing. Watching a romantic movie in your living room with your loved one and want to move into your bedroom, but your hands are occupied with red wine? LinuxMCE detects the movement of the cell phone in your pocket, and your media instantly appears on your bedroom television exactly where you left off.
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This website design has a lot more potential than the last one, but as davegravy mentions, it looks ridiculous with many small errors.
In addition to davegravy's suggestions I'd like add:
- Links to FAQ and other "Getting Started" type documentation on the download page instead of just a link to 0710 - in fact, it might be better to re-title "Download" to "Getting Started"
- Some design work on the News page - it looks a little off in Firefox 3.5, haven't tested others
- On the main "features" page, each category should be a link to the specific information
- The development needs a similar red-ink treatment to davegravy's work on the main page
- The developer/svn page needs to be written, or at least give a link to the repository
- More screenshots - a similar number to the videos section, possibly user-contributed
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What I am wondering most about is the definitive requirement of two NICs - one for the internal LAN and one for the external LAN. There is no doubt about it in the wiki.
Only the FAQ mention that it might be possible to have the core with only one NIC.
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I only needed the PC to act as a "media player" and not have any other functionality. I do not need it to serve files nor monitor anything. Also, that board only has one NIC.
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Someone suggested that I use 804 because the machine was new and do a CD install. I was able to get 804 installed and copied the ISO to the hard drive. I did a fresh install of the two discs for both the 32 and 64 bit versions. Every time I try to install LinuxMCE, I get an error message that says that the install failed because CD1 could not be cached.
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hmm, why do people not read the #@$(@$( directions?
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You guys need to actually need to:
(1) read the directions
(2) actually understand what this system is meant to do. It is a smart home platform.
-Thom
The reason these fundamental network and setup issues are coming up often again is probably because the information is buried on the website. The "Getting Started" stuff needs to be at the forefront with the "What LinuxMCE does for you" stuff. Go to the website, pretend you're a noob - try to get information about installing LinuxMCE - all you get is a link to the 0710 installer, no FAQ, no Network Setup.
Before the new website, this stuff was right in your face - since the main page was basically a mask for the wiki. Now the site actually has content on it - and it's much nicer - but it buries the important information which still lives on the wiki.
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I will work with Murcel (current site director) on making the changes mentioned above, along with other updates that need to be made.
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Please can someone look through the site, and correct all the grammar things. as i am not a native, please send corrections to me and i will update asap.
thx
murcel
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Here's what i've seen:
- Logins do not function after registration
- SVN explanation is blank http://www.linuxmce.org/index.php/developer/svn
Murdock,
the logins are func. but currently there is no bridge between forum, wiki and website. that will be corrected in the future, as we need a update of the forum software.
and i am currently working on an more interactive part of the site, where users can post their own content. just stay tuned
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Ok, well we can just do a thread here for edits I suppose. Here are my suggestions.
Main Page
Gaming:
Remember the good old 80's? Remember the arcade games and long nights with your buddies? Where have all the console games gone? Just sit down in front of your Media Director, have it call your buddies, and start playing all the old stuff in any room you like....just like in the good old 80's.
Made the changes.
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Cool. Should do fine for the time being, but it would be great if we could get someone with more advertising/marketing prowess to take a pass at it down the road.
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<------- Advertising and Marketing Reviewer
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Yes, that is much better Murcel, thanks.
My biggest concern is quickly directing people towards "Getting Started" type information - the site does not do that now.
I'd suggest adding links to the FAQ and installation guide from the Downloads page at a minimum - right now, users are directed to the Mirrors page, which is a few steps too far past the learning phase.
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Id like to suggest and volunteer to help man a live help desk so we can assist users getting their setup going. This probably spawns into another project in the future, getting remote assistance going again. What do you guys think about having live help? I know it wouldve helped me out when I was starting.
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I had wanted to write the copy for the getting started section, unfortunately, I am stretched way too thin....
The copy in the Getting Started section should take serious cues from Apple documentation, be as plain and to the point as possible, people want to get from A to B very quickly, and want to get an overall feel for the system.
-Thom
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Id like to suggest and volunteer to help man a live help desk so we can assist users getting their setup going. This probably spawns into another project in the future, getting remote assistance going again. What do you guys think about having live help? I know it wouldve helped me out when I was starting.
Similar to... IRC chat? I'm not sure we have the man-power to support a formal help desk, but if you can work that out, it sounds like a nice idea to me. Between the forums and wiki, there is a ridiculous amount of documentation, and IRC had enough coverage for me - I don't think this effort is a "critical need", but it may help some.
I had wanted to write the copy for the getting started section, unfortunately, I am stretched way too thin....
The copy in the Getting Started section should take serious cues from Apple documentation, be as plain and to the point as possible, people want to get from A to B very quickly, and want to get an overall feel for the system.
-Thom
Yes, that would be nice. In the mean time, the FAQ and install guide are a decent introduction, and need to be seen long before a "download here" link - this is not some picture editing software that you can learn as you go, so the "everyone just download and try this because it's free" tactics of many open source projects does not apply. There's a fairly big time and hardware commitment to get this thing off the ground - education is needed before people go do it.
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IRC is essentially the 'help desk'. Beyond IRC, we don't plan to have any other mechanism for 'live' support at the moment.
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anybody on here run a call center? ;)
-Thom
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I run a twenty-five extension, 8 PRI line commercial asterisk (currently trixbox, actually) phone system, if that's any use?
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trentend, how's your overall asterisk experience?
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trentend, how's your overall asterisk experience?
In terms of my abilty, or my opinion of it?
It's quite brilliant, and simple, but like much of linux (of which I am a relative newbie) configuration out of the ordinary can be extremely difficult - as an example i have a specific problem with configuring trixbox in the UK, as I can't get it to deal correctly with how BT uses 0 and 00 as a national and international prefix and strips them off the number it passes whilst setting a flag for a national or international identifier - the long and short of which is that we currently can't dial internationally over our BT land lines. So I'm building an asterisk/freepbx box instead...but that's proving difficult to configure and setup...but I'll get there.
I'm learning new skill sets as part of my work, and part of my personal time. I've got a long way to go.
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My biggest concern is quickly directing people towards "Getting Started" type information - the site does not do that now.
I'd suggest adding links to the FAQ and installation guide from the Downloads page at a minimum - right now, users are directed to the Mirrors page, which is a few steps too far past the learning phase.
All of you are right here. But it is the same old song.Everybody knows what changes need to be done, but nearly nobody is starting with it.
To make it short, get back to the desk and make a top-down getting started list and u will see, that it is not that easy, than just putting some links on the website.
Sure i know, that all of the information is somewhere in the wiki. You all know that. But what is really essential....Thoms words are so right. Try to see it from a users point of view - from a DAU Point of view.
Maybe start by logging the questions in irc - mostly starting with "which hardware do i need". And even linuxmce runs with most of available hardware, the learning curve will much easy and faster if you have the RIGHT hardware.
(Believe me from the technical point of view - i did the technical product management / system administration for a long time but until i had my first highlights with lmce 7.04/7.10 it took a frustrating while. and consider, many users coming to the website are not developers, not Linux specialists, but mostly USERS.)
So what should we do? Giving user just a link to "Compatible hardware", then he is again on the wiki, which sometimes is very "strange" for newbies.
What i like to say is, that this isn't a easy task. i don't believe that just putting some links on the website will help much (surely we can make a suggestion that we are just updating the section and in the meantime user has to go to the wiki)
Finally, beside the question "Who can change the website, may i", the more essential questions are:
1. To whom shall the website be addressed?
2. Is it a marketing tool or is is a "developer-catcher-tool". Or both?
3. How can we make some marketing on the web / not on the website - to drive more developers to our site.
4. What about marketing outside the web.
5 How do we write a "User Guide" which is really top down for a) Users and b) for Developers who are starting
Sorry, but just my two pence...
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Let me try to answer the questions:
1. The website should be addressed to novice and expert users.
2. Both
3. I have been charged to lead the marketing effort. I have a bunch of ideas and plan to implement them soon.
4. Yes, this is also on my plate and I have been working behind the scenes to get this ball rolling.
5. Like Thom said, we should use the Apple methodology for documentation. I'm a believer of a "Newbie" user guide and an "Expert" user guide. The devs will have to brainstorm about how to approach this. Unfortunately, we are swamped with getting 0810 beta out the door. Maybe users can begin to collaborate and create some documentation.
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All of you are right here. But it is the same old song.Everybody knows what changes need to be done, but nearly nobody is starting with it.
To make it short, get back to the desk and make a top-down getting started list and u will see, that it is not that easy, than just putting some links on the website.
Sure i know, that all of the information is somewhere in the wiki. You all know that. But what is really essential....Thoms words are so right. Try to see it from a users point of view - from a DAU Point of view.
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5 How do we write a "User Guide" which is really top down for a) Users and b) for Developers who are starting
Yes, the user guide is the way to go - but that will take a while to get together. Today, we can add links to the documentation we already have.
I would love to help with this effort, but this is a tough time of the year for me. I'll be more useful in the spring.
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I'll give the apple style documentation a try. Already told Thom, that I will start on it, and will check in with him in the next few days..
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thanks cadman97.
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thanks cadman97.
Guys, we have to fill up the sections "more Info" on the website ASAP.
The idea behind is very clear.
The whole website should be Top-Down. It should be readable by beginners/Users the same way than for developers/More advanced Users.
So i would suggest following strategy.
First fill up the places like
http://www.linuxmce.com/index.php/features/telecom (http://www.linuxmce.com/index.php/features/telecom) with easy to understand description. only some sentences. surely more than it has now.
Then we will add a link to "more advanced infos", where we can claim how strong and advanced the system can be. Here we can say some things about used technologies, protocols and supported hardware.
What i mean is that every section has a beginner and a profi/indeep section.
dlewis, you ask about helping in this matter, i would like to setup a schedule. when do you think the 5 sections will be filled with content?!
Thanks for your help
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The one disadvantage with breaking things down into sections the way it has been, is that interactions between functions are missed. The interactions are the main strength (IMHO) with LMCE.
Media, Lighting, Security, Telecom, Climate. Some interact with each other (eg. telecom and media), some are less interactive (Security and Climate).
Where is it appropriate to mention that media you are watching is automatically paused during an incoming telephone call? Do you put that in the telecom section or the media section? Is automatic light dimming on media play a lighting feature or media feature? Some thought should be put into how to structure and present all this.
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I initially thought describing a series of story scenarios, an example:
It is a late late afternoon, I am watching afternoon television, and my friend Steve calls. The Television pauses, and I tap answer phone using my remote or orbiter tablet. Steve and I talk and he says he's coming over. After I hang up, the TV resumes playing. 30 minutes later, I hear a ring from my cell phone, I pick up, and the system has connected to my door phone. I see the image from the front door, and see that it's my friend. I tap the # key to open the door. He comes in, we hang out for a bit, watching some Sealab 2021 episodes that he selects from my orbiter tablet next to the couch. As we hang out, the sun outside sets, and the house adjusts its light level appropriately. Later, he leaves, and I switch to some audio. I keep my cell phone in my pocket, and as I move between the living room and the kitchen to prepare dinner, the audio I am listening to follows me to the kitchen, and back to the living room. Later that night, it had recorded in the background my episodes of the Daily Show and The Colbert Report, so I start watching them. I decide to move to my bedroom, so I take my mobile phone with me to the bedroom. The system detects that I have left the living room, and have moved to the bedroom, and has turned off the TV in the living room, and turned it on in the bedroom. As I tap House to Sleep mode on the orbiter near the bed, the rest of the house shuts down nicely, lights, audio equipment and all, and I can finish watching The Colbert Report. As I get ready to go to sleep, I tap the sleep button, and the TV and lights shut off, while setting my user mode to Sleeping so that non-important calls immediately pass to voicemail, and I go to sleep.
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A bit rough, but that's the idea.
-Thom
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The one disadvantage with breaking things down into sections the way it has been, is that interactions between functions are missed. The interactions are the main strength (IMHO) with LinuxMCE.
At the risk of inviting flames, I would disagree. I suspect most people come here (I know I did) from the direction of Media, looking for Myth / VDR / VistaMCE only better (MUCH better). Heck, even the name of the project suggests a focus on Media! The other stuff then becomes "Hey, WOW, you can do all that as WELL? COOL!!" For this reason, the flow from front page to working media system needs to be as direct and pain-free as possible.
Where is it appropriate to mention that media you are watching is automatically paused during an incoming telephone call? Do you put that in the telecom section or the media section? Is automatic light dimming on media play a lighting feature or media feature? Some thought should be put into how to structure and present all this.
What is wrong with mentioning it in both? This goes both when doing the PR job and when explaining how to set it all up ;)
Just my 10 Eurocents....
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I initially thought describing a series of story scenarios, an example:
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I like your example, and it's a great sales pitch. However, some of the functionality you talk about doesn't work "out-of-the-box", so I see some users quickly becoming disgruntled. We all understand that sort of setup is indeed possible, and is the ultimate goal.
If we decide to take this route (and it is a good route, so we should highly consider it), there should be a "how to make things work exactly like this" guide right next to it - even if that guide names specific hardware and requires advanced configuration. Then when people ask "what do I need do so I can <insert LinuxMCE feature here>..." we'd have a place to point them to pick the hardware and to step through configuration.
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yup, i agree. I just typed it off the cuff as example, and eventually THAT scenario WILL work OOB.... The point being to find language that can smoothly describe how all these pieces can meld together.
-Thom
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Key word: "eventually". Until then - need a configuration guide. Hell, even I could benefit from a configuration guide for the lighting and telecomm stuff...
It addresses 2 main problems: 1) what hardware to buy for newcomers 2) how to make cool things happen without asking lots of questions
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Key word: "eventually". Until then - need a configuration guide. Hell, even I could benefit from a configuration guide for the lighting and telecomm stuff...
It addresses 2 main problems: 1) what hardware to buy for newcomers 2) how to make cool things happen without asking lots of questions
The hardware part will be a tough one.
As i described before. LMCE works with "mostly all" hardware. In theory.
In pratice, you will have to choose components from the wiki, which are 100% tested and working.
Some month ago, i was thinking of having some kind of "compatible with" Program. Maybe we should again think of that.
But back to the hardware part. How can we suggest hardware to the user, which is a) really working b) is more or less available round the globe and c) is still buyable?
So it means we have to update it regular.
So my idea is, that we have to set up a "logo programm" for hardware. i will take this part.
Until that user have to be redirected to our wiki, with the compatible hardware.
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Key word: "eventually". Until then - need a configuration guide. 2) how to make cool things happen without asking lots of questions
Mostly the problem, that things are not working out of the box is, that users are thinking "to-much".
You know, it like the apprentice in a company. Nobody know s.th. about networking. But he already made a connection between 2 computers at home. So he thinks the he is the master of the universe regarding networking and takes the job in the company as a administrator.
Those guys mostly ruin the network :-) hacking here a little bit, hacking there a little bit.
How often someone is coming into irc and is asking about networking in LMCE (my network is not working) - why? because he didn't let lmce do the job.
First rule always should be LET LMCE DO THE JOB.
That should be in front of EVERY tutorial.
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First rule always should be LET LinuxMCE DO THE JOB.
That should be in front of EVERY tutorial.
Then they should be easy to write. ;D
The hardware part will be a tough one.
As i described before. LinuxMCE works with "mostly all" hardware. In theory.
In pratice, you will have to choose components from the wiki, which are 100% tested and working.
What we need is a hardware compatibility database. Thom and I each took a swing at this - neither of us finished anything terribly usable. I'm really surprised there isn't something to handle this in the open source space - there are a lot of projects that could benefit from it...
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What we need is a hardware compatibility database. Thom and I each took a swing at this - neither of us finished anything terribly usable. I'm really surprised there isn't something to handle this in the open source space - there are a lot of projects that could benefit from it...
2 €cts:
I've been pondering this idea too.
Ubuntu has a its update-notifier https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncreaseHardwareDatabaseParticipation (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncreaseHardwareDatabaseParticipation) where you have a choice to sort of record and register the hardware on your system to the hardware database.
I'm not into coding, but would it be do-able to adapt this to LinuxMCE's needs?
I think most if not ALL participants here on the forum will be more than glad to help out and fill the database, or not?
Also, it would provide more accurate data in terms of date/time, statistics etc.
In a second order, one could even think of a couple of well chosen media files to be used as 'benchmarking' material, using various media containers, Dolby / DTS tests etc.
Erwin
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Seems like a good idea Lexje. Would take some dev'ing though.
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I suggest we create a separate thread for each section of the site. Here is a new 'Features' thread for the site. I've written a new 'Telecom' section for your review: http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=8967.0
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I've written a new 'Lighting' section for your review: http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=8969.0
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I initially thought describing a series of story scenarios, an example:
It is a late late afternoon, I am watching afternoon television, and my friend Steve calls. The Television pauses, and I tap answer phone using my remote or orbiter tablet. Steve and I talk and he says he's coming over. After I hang up, the TV resumes playing. 30 minutes later, I hear a ring from my cell phone, I pick up, and the system has connected to my door phone. I see the image from the front door, and see that it's my friend. I tap the # key to open the door. He comes in, we hang out for a bit, watching some Sealab 2021 episodes that he selects from my orbiter tablet next to the couch. As we hang out, the sun outside sets, and the house adjusts its light level appropriately. Later, he leaves, and I switch to some audio. I keep my cell phone in my pocket, and as I move between the living room and the kitchen to prepare dinner, the audio I am listening to follows me to the kitchen, and back to the living room. Later that night, it had recorded in the background my episodes of the Daily Show and The Colbert Report, so I start watching them. I decide to move to my bedroom, so I take my mobile phone with me to the bedroom. The system detects that I have left the living room, and have moved to the bedroom, and has turned off the TV in the living room, and turned it on in the bedroom. As I tap House to Sleep mode on the orbiter near the bed, the rest of the house shuts down nicely, lights, audio equipment and all, and I can finish watching The Colbert Report. As I get ready to go to sleep, I tap the sleep button, and the TV and lights shut off, while setting my user mode to Sleeping so that non-important calls immediately pass to voicemail, and I go to sleep.
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A bit rough, but that's the idea.
-Thom
I like this idea... Murcel, we should add a section of the site titled "Application Ideas". Each "Application Idea" should be focused on a particular features of LinuxMCE. I found this as a good example: http://www.litetouch.com/content.aspx?pg=2002
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yeah, good idea, but lets focus on the basics first, and keep that in mind.
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I initially thought describing a series of story scenarios, an example:
It is a late late afternoon, I am watching afternoon television, and my friend Steve calls. The Television pauses, and I tap answer phone using my remote or orbiter tablet. Steve and I talk and he says he's coming over. After I hang up, the TV resumes playing. 30 minutes later, I hear a ring from my cell phone, I pick up, and the system has connected to my door phone. I see the image from the front door, and see that it's my friend. I tap the # key to open the door. He comes in, we hang out for a bit, watching some Sealab 2021 episodes that he selects from my orbiter tablet next to the couch. As we hang out, the sun outside sets, and the house adjusts its light level appropriately. Later, he leaves, and I switch to some audio. I keep my cell phone in my pocket, and as I move between the living room and the kitchen to prepare dinner, the audio I am listening to follows me to the kitchen, and back to the living room. Later that night, it had recorded in the background my episodes of the Daily Show and The Colbert Report, so I start watching them. I decide to move to my bedroom, so I take my mobile phone with me to the bedroom. The system detects that I have left the living room, and have moved to the bedroom, and has turned off the TV in the living room, and turned it on in the bedroom. As I tap House to Sleep mode on the orbiter near the bed, the rest of the house shuts down nicely, lights, audio equipment and all, and I can finish watching The Colbert Report. As I get ready to go to sleep, I tap the sleep button, and the TV and lights shut off, while setting my user mode to Sleeping so that non-important calls immediately pass to voicemail, and I go to sleep.
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A bit rough, but that's the idea.
-Thom
That'd be a pretty cool video if someone could pull it off ;-)
I am limited to media (core and one MD) currently so bit beyond me...
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The changes made earlier look very nice. A few more improvement suggestions:
Can we update the picture on the climate page (http://linuxmce.org/index.php/features/climate) to be a floorplan or something? Right now, it looks like a list of audio or something...
Can we make the climate section of the features page (http://linuxmce.org/index.php/features) talk about climate instead of blinds and windows?
We need more "getting started" links on the downloads page... At least something that says "read this FAQ first" (http://linuxmce.org/index.php/download)
Developer section (http://linuxmce.org/index.php/developer) needs some grammar/spelling attention, so does the donate (http://linuxmce.org/index.php/contribute/donate) section.
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Hey jimbodude,
you are allowed to jump in and give your corrections here :-)
Murcel
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What I am wondering most about is the definitive requirement of two NICs - one for the internal LAN and one for the external LAN. There is no doubt about it in the wiki.
Only the FAQ mention that it might be possible to have the core with only one NIC.
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I only needed the PC to act as a "media player" and not have any other functionality. I do not need it to serve files nor monitor anything. Also, that board only has one NIC.
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Someone suggested that I use 804 because the machine was new and do a CD install. I was able to get 804 installed and copied the ISO to the hard drive. I did a fresh install of the two discs for both the 32 and 64 bit versions. Every time I try to install LinuxMCE, I get an error message that says that the install failed because CD1 could not be cached.
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hmm, why do people not read the #@$(@$( directions?
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You guys need to actually need to:
(1) read the directions
(2) actually understand what this system is meant to do. It is a smart home platform.
-Thom
The reason these fundamental network and setup issues are coming up often again is probably because the information is buried on the website. The "Getting Started" stuff needs to be at the forefront with the "What LinuxMCE does for you" stuff. Go to the website, pretend you're a noob - try to get information about installing LinuxMCE - all you get is a link to the 0710 installer, no FAQ, no Network Setup.
Before the new website, this stuff was right in your face - since the main page was basically a mask for the wiki. Now the site actually has content on it - and it's much nicer - but it buries the important information which still lives on the wiki.
I agree that the new site is visually much more appealing but functionally much less useful. The 'old' site was a front piece to the Wiki essentially, and I still believe firmly that the Wiki is where all content should reside. The Web site should only deliver the 'bait' to get people interested in 'digging' further...so I would see it carrying these front-piece 'articles' with visuals etc...but everything beneath that should be in the Wiki.
The Wiki enables us to leverage the community in terms of creating/editing/updating pages rather than specific people or individuals. What we need is some 'design' guidelines for the Wiki so that we get a more consistent 'look & feel' to all the pages.
Andrew
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I agree that the new site is visually much more appealing but functionally much less useful. The 'old' site was a front piece to the Wiki essentially, and I still believe firmly that the Wiki is where all content should reside. The Web site should only deliver the 'bait' to get people interested in 'digging' further...so I would see it carrying these front-piece 'articles' with visuals etc...but everything beneath that should be in the Wiki.
The Wiki enables us to leverage the community in terms of creating/editing/updating pages rather than specific people or individuals. What we need is some 'design' guidelines for the Wiki so that we get a more consistent 'look & feel' to all the pages.
Andrew
Agree...the Web site should just be "the bait", the door to more information (in the Wiki)...if not it has the potential to turn into a project by itself and take time away from everyone to focus on the essentials...
Dito on the "look & feel" also...With the great "new look" of the site, the wiki should follow suit.