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General => Installation issues => Topic started by: jester on May 25, 2007, 08:14:28 pm

Title: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: jester on May 25, 2007, 08:14:28 pm
Hi,

At the moment i'm still trying to download the 1.1 Beta 2 version but for the previous beta the problems and solutions/workaround where all over the place. So maybe for this beta we can try to focus it a bit more. I think there are several people (developers and community members) trying really hard to help everyone and getting things done with limited resources... why not make things a bit easier for them by getting things focussed!

And now on to something i've been dying to get off my chest for a few days now: I'm new to OpenSource, Linux, LinuxCME and its community but i already absolutely HATE everybody ranting about that things are not working right away... I too think that the 1.x version naming might have been a bit premature,

but hey! we are getting this great piece of software for FREE!! Don't want to put some effort into it and want something that runs directly out of the box?! Go spend $200 on Vista Home Premium!! You'll never get all the options that LinuxMCE is offering.

You don't want to spend the money? You DO want all the extra goodies you'd normally pay thousands of dollars for? QUIT BITCHIN' and bare with us 'cause i'm willing to wait and spend a few hours of testing to get this baby running! Want it to work sooner? Report some bugs or help with squashing them! Know a bit more about something? help somebody out who does not! Don't want all the options and want something more or less working? Go download GeexBox, KnoppMyth or Freevo!

I believe the Dev's are working their asses off if i see what has been accomplished in such a short period of time, SO A HUGE THANK YOU to all who are making any sort of effort to try to make this project work

Regards,
jester.

Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: womble on May 25, 2007, 09:55:39 pm
Hiya

Whats the difference between 1.1beta and 1.1beta2?
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: c4onastick on May 26, 2007, 12:21:00 am
Quote from: womble on May 25, 2007, 09:55:39 pm
Whats the difference between 1.1beta and 1.1beta2?
Ditto, is there a change log around somewhere?
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: DTS on May 26, 2007, 01:47:43 am
From the wiki:
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With the beta 1 CD released May 16, 9% of users were unable to boot Kubuntu or install the Kubuntu live CD. Of those that could, 56% reported problems installing LinuxMCE, however nearly all those problems resolved around 3 issues: (1) a bug in the LMCE installer, (2) a samba packaging issue, (3) a bug in the KDE network manager. All three have been fixed in the May 25 beta 2. As soon as we confirm that the number of users reporting installation issues with LinuxMCE 1.1 beta is less than 15%, we will make it an official release.

LINK (http://wiki.linuxmce.com/index.php/Version_1_1)
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: padrino on May 26, 2007, 05:09:53 am
Quote from: jester on May 25, 2007, 08:14:28 pm

You don't want to spend the money? You DO want all the extra goodies you'd normally pay thousands of dollars for? QUIT BITCHIN' and bare with us 'cause i'm willing to wait and spend a few hours of testing to get this baby running! Want it to work sooner? Report some bugs or help with squashing them! Know a bit more about something? help somebody out who does not! Don't want all the options and want something more or less working? Go download GeexBox, KnoppMyth or Freevo!

I believe the Dev's are working their asses off if i see what has been accomplished in such a short period of time, SO A HUGE THANK YOU to all who are making any sort of effort to try to make this project work


I agree with the points you make however I think you aren't thanking a good portion of the real team. LinuxMCE repackages Pluto on a Debian derived OS vs. Debian itself, which I think it's a good thing and they should be thanked however I think the Pluto team isn't being given nearly enough credit on the site/forums.
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: Cryoniq on May 26, 2007, 05:48:31 am
Does those with 1.1 beta 1 installed need to reinstall in order to get the beta 2 fixes etc? Or is that managed via repository and possible update functions in the LMCE Manager? Noticed it seemed to download a lot of files yesterday when I started it. But it might have been something else.

(I'm asking because I spent 3-4 days alone getting the 1.1 Beta Install working :P And I grew 10 years older in the process, ha ha.)

Another question is if kubuntu need to be installed cleanly in order for 1.1 Beta 2 to be applied or if it is possible to apply it over 1.1 Beta 1? (I just had to ask, even if something in me try to hold the action back and slapping me silly.. not sure why :P ).

Nice call with the thread btw. It is needed :) Let's make this kickass solution :)

Edit: And.. oh.. Are Kubuntu updates suppose to be applied before install of LMCE 1.1 Beta 2 or after? (asking so that the question actually is somewhere on the forum for beta2 ;)
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: jester on May 26, 2007, 10:29:33 am
@Padrino: I did not know the history of LinuxMCE, but you are right, so: also a specialHUGE thank you to the team of Pluto and all the teams of the software that is incorporated in LinuxMCE.
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: jester on May 26, 2007, 10:59:26 am
@Cryoniq: If i understand it right (someone please correct me if i'm talking BS here!) reading the wiki under 'Before Installing':

HTH,
Jester.
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: jester on May 26, 2007, 11:19:21 am
A lot of people dive into the forums right away if there's a problem so...

reading material:

Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: caiman on May 26, 2007, 01:15:31 pm
if Beta 1 installation went fine, is there a reason to upgrade to beta 2 ?
Or actually re-install beta2, since there is no upgrade procedure yet ?
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: jester on May 26, 2007, 03:37:13 pm
@caiman: If everything was working as i hoped it would do i wouldn't change it. I haven't seen any reports of extra functionality that might be interesting so i'd say just stick to it for now.

Regards,
jester.
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: jester on May 26, 2007, 07:37:07 pm
Ok... 1.1 Beta 2 installed, no problems so far. Steps taken for installation (for anyone interested):


Thats it for the installation part. Starting up the first time does take a while as told.................

Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: Cryoniq on May 27, 2007, 06:40:06 am
Nice setup instructions. They work nice.

One thing that bugs me is that after install, my network icon in the bar is gone. In that one there are the management for Wireless. So when installation is done, I specified it to connect to my wireless router and set it all, that is gone. And I cannot bring it up and choose my wireless network and specify authentication. Going under network part in system settings reveal that the settings I specified is altered by install. That bugs me a lot and need to be sorted out. That is NOT what I specified the install to do. I specified it to keep the settings for the wireless and use the ethernet card for other network.

So, how do I get my wireless controll back and the menu in the right down side of bar so I can choose wireless or wired config? Doesn't LMCE support wireless cards? Why did LMCE alter that and remove my wireless application?

When I now tried to alter the settings back and restarted, bootup stalls and a list appears with ypbind and .....
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and so on... hmm... I am about to break apart. This is ridiculous..
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: totallymaxed on May 27, 2007, 09:42:03 am
Quote from: Cryoniq on May 27, 2007, 06:40:06 am
Nice setup instructions. They work nice.

One thing that bugs me is that after install, my network icon in the bar is gone. In that one there are the management for Wireless. So when installation is done, I specified it to connect to my wireless router and set it all, that is gone. And I cannot bring it up and choose my wireless network and specify authentication. Going under network part in system settings reveal that the settings I specified is altered by install. That bugs me a lot and need to be sorted out. That is NOT what I specified the install to do. I specified it to keep the settings for the wireless and use the ethernet card for other network.

So, how do I get my wireless controll back and the menu in the right down side of bar so I can choose wireless or wired config? Doesn't LMCE support wireless cards? Why did LMCE alter that and remove my wireless application?

When I now tried to alter the settings back and restarted, bootup stalls and a list appears with ypbind and .....
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and so on... hmm... I am about to break apart. This is ridiculous..

Hi,

Your lmce core really should be connected back to your router using a wired ethernet connection particularly if you are running the internal dhcp, streaming media from/to other devices on your network or network booting other MD's etc. Try switching back to a wired network connection - you may need to re-install to your installation though :-(
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: Cryoniq on May 27, 2007, 09:51:09 am
I solved it by not using the ath0 at all and set eth0 to 192.168.1.151 so it became a part of the existing 192.168.1.x network.
DHCP was disabled at install. Can't have 2 DHCP servers at same physical network. Would cause havoc among the existing other devices.

There is a problem with creating shares in LMCE 1.1 Beta 2, just as with Beta 1. It doesn't create the directories which are to be mounted with each share. I am going to reboot and go into safemode and try create those dirs before everything else starts up, somehow. As it is now, I cannot create any dirs at all under /mnt/devices/
I am denied doing that even as root. Even denied creating any dir in that dir. I might not understand smb and mount too much but I do know it has to have a dir existing to what a link points to, and right now the link points to devices/33, 34, 35, 36 for the 4 shares, and those doesn't exist. And then it is no wonder nothing shows up of what is on the shares. There are lots of stuff in them.
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: Cryoniq on May 27, 2007, 10:19:38 am
Now I am confused about this mounting shares in LMCE 1.1 Beta 2.

Syslog i reporting it can't mount the shares to /mnt/device/32 and up to 35 (for the 4 shares).

Reason is a mentioned above that the number dirs doesn't exist under /mnt/device.

Oki; So I tried create those dirs. I get back that file or directory does not exist. I am thus not allowed to make those dirs.

So I reboot and start up recovery mode. Once in it I discover that in recovery mode /mnt/device doesn't exist. That is funny..
/mnt/device is created by LMCE upon initiation then?

So I make a walk on the wild side and create /mnt/device
And then I create /mnt/device/32, /mnt/device/33, /mnt/device/34 and /mnt/device/35
And then I reboot system.

Well as soon as LMCE initiatied it seemed to remove all those modifications because when I check those dirs, they do not exist. Only /mnt/device exist.

And under /home/public/data/other/ there are these red links named  "Windows Share:  PUBLIC [32] ---> /mnt/device/32

Can anyone skilled and experienced please explain what is going on here and how the shares are handled. Is this a bug, or is it something else?

For the record I can still for example mount PUBLIC share manually to a dir outside /mnt/device/ so it works if I do that. Question is why LMCE fails.


Edit: is it Net_Mount.sh that handle the mount part of shares? Looked into it and there is indeed a part with mkdir -p and a variable after that which I assume should be the device number the link later on further down in it will link to.

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Dst="/mnt/${NAS_Description}_${NAS_PK_Device}"
mkdir -p "$Dst"
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: jester on May 27, 2007, 11:00:13 am

@Cryoniq: please report all of your incidents if it does not work as it 'normally' should.

The bugtracker is the best place so you can follow up if necessary. Preferably with a good description of the 'error', relevant details of your setup (hardware/software), logs and the solution/workaround if you found one. If it's in the bugtracker it is most likely dealt with so it won't be in the future/final version..... After all it is a Beta so there's bound to be bugs still.

I think it would be to hard for the dev's to roam al the postings on the forums. If they can concentrate on the bugtracker they can work more efficiently and get more bugs squashed.


Regards,
jester.
Title: Re: 1.1 Beta 2 -- is it working for you ?! [PROBLEMS/SOLUTIONS]
Post by: Cryoniq on May 27, 2007, 01:59:45 pm
The main reason I am posting about it here, is that I am not really sure yet if it is a bug or something else.
Therefore I am interested in other peoples experience regarding setting up shares in LMCE 1.1 Beta 2 toward Other computers shares as well as netdisks with smb server built in, so I know it isn't just me, but others as well.

I do not know how the shares are suppose to be set up and if the device numbers under /mnt/device/ should be created by LMCE or if it is a decoy for something else it does. Or if it is a problem with the mount and smbfs or if I got the things wrong.

If someone would be kind enough to post a step by step guide of how to set up a mount to a windows share and/or a share on another ubuntu machine, if they got it working it would be sweet. As I understood I should use cifs with this one. But I also tried mounting this Ubuntu 7.04 machines shares manually from LMCE router and it was same result.

Reason I pointed at:
Dst="/mnt/${NAS_Description}_${NAS_PK_Device}"
mkdir -p "$Dst"

Is that I felt that /mnt alone was a "device" short perhaps. But then again I am not skilled enough in programming (way rusty) to determine if ${NAS_Description} contain /device in it and make the path complete as /mnt/device/.......

When I confirmed that this isn't just a problem of mine, then I'll head on and make a bugreport :)

Edit: I made a bug report about it. But! I noticed this in  the interfaces section in LMCE admin interface:
545     ** DISABLED ** Pluto SmbFS Kernel Module

Can that have something to do with why it is not working? Or is that like it should be. There were more that had disabled in front of them as well.. hmm