I just need a suggestion to a TV tuner card. It either needs to be USB or PCI. Any suggestions?
For SD: Hauppauge PVR 150/250/500/USB2
For HD: HDHomeRun
don't mess with anything else. Trust me on this (I'm one of the Devs.)
-Thom
Quote from: tschak909 on November 29, 2008, 04:52:40 AM
For SD: Hauppauge PVR 150/250/500/USB2
For HD: HDHomeRun
don't mess with anything else. Trust me on this (I'm one of the Devs.)
-Thom
Ok, so taking it as you are a Dev I should use one of those? If I go the SD route will my audio lag? I have a tv tuner card in there now but its ancient and the audio constantly lags and even plays when I'm watching a DVD movie.
Well, There is latency, this is normal because you're digitizing a signal and then playing it back....
but you won't notice it with this card, because you're not playing back the live audio.. you're playing back the digitized audio.
Why would this matter when watching a DVD movie? This is a tuner input card, and is only used when digitizing video from your cable box, vcr, or other legacy A/V device. The DVD functions are handled at the media director itself.
-Thom
Well, for me to get audio thru the TV card, I must plug it into the MOBO. When I am just scrolling through stuff(videos, pics, etc.) i can hear the TV audio. Its wierd.
You won't do that with the cards I listed.
-Thom
Yeah, that audio problem is from a cheap tuner card. I had that happen with an older card I used. Basically, when you stop the video from your card, the audio doesn't shut off. I use the pvr500 mentioned earlier and it's great. Has mpeg encoders on it, so my cpu doesn't take the load of transcoding. Highly recommend it
Quote from: Afkpuz on November 29, 2008, 05:21:14 AM
Yeah, that audio problem is from a cheap tuner card. I had that happen with an older card I used. Basically, when you stop the video from your card, the audio doesn't shut off. I use the pvr500 mentioned earlier and it's great. Has mpeg encoders on it, so my cpu doesn't take the load of transcoding. Highly recommend it
Thanks for the help guys! I'm really new to all this and I have a list for when I need to get to get the box up and running well. Where is the best place to buy one of the Hauppauge?
They're all currently discontinued due to the digital TV transition, you'll need to search google and ebay at the moment.
We will support the Hauppauge HD-PVR once the driver becomes more stable.
-Thom
Quote from: tschak909 on November 29, 2008, 04:10:25 PM
They're all currently discontinued due to the digital TV transition, you'll need to search google and ebay at the moment.
We will support the Hauppauge HD-PVR once the driver becomes more stable.
-Thom
Oh ok. Is the HD PVR the HVR? I think I'm just going to wait it out until the HD driver becomes more stable. Thanks for th help!
_NO_ it is not.
and, honestly, that would be silly...We do not know when the driver will be complete.
*hmm*
-Thom
Thanks for the help!
Well, remember that it is only the free, over the air tv that is switching to digital. If you pay comcast for regular tv, you will not need a digital converter box. They will still send the normal cable signal through your cable wire. So, standard definition capture cards will still work after 2009. The way they are marketing this, they make you think that all tv is going digital. This is a shameless marketing ploy. so, if you have a cable subscription, you can still use haupauge cards. You can buy them at newegg.com. They only sell hybrid cards now, but they still work with NTSC (Analog).
Ok, I've searched high and low for the 150,250 and 500 and can't find them!
Would any of these card work?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000380047%2050001772%201685342847&name=Hauppauge
the 2250 does not have a linux driver. Checked on the mythtv website http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-2250
1800 looks like it would not work, unless you can recompile the kernel. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppage_HVR-1800
the 1600 will work in mythtv 0.21, but I can't remember which version LMCE uses. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600
1250- digital only. Same thing: works in 0.21. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1250
Again, you people don't seem to understand....
None of the cards specified have device templates...
and nobody seems to want to make them....
so until somebody makes a device template, it will have to be configured by hand in mythtv, and the A/V control won't be possible with these tuner cards.
I know it seems like i'm being an asshole, but I am writing this out of sheer frustration that nobody seems to want to help adding support for the newer cards. nobody wants to be bothered with it.. nope.. let the developers who have everything else on their plate do it.
-Thom
I have been getting on OK with the Hauppauge Nova-T-500, have just bought a 2nd one (stay clear of the "Diversity" models though - Nova-TD-500).
What is the difference between a Hauppauge PVR-500 and a Hauppauge Nova-T-500 out of interest?
Quote from: purps on November 30, 2008, 07:12:39 PM
I have been getting on OK with the Hauppauge Nova-T-500, have just bought a 2nd one (stay clear of the "Diversity" models though - Nova-TD-500).
What is the difference between a Hauppauge PVR-500 and a Hauppauge Nova-T-500 out of interest?
Hmmm... the PVR-500 is an dual tuner analog TV and analog video digitising card and the T-500 is a dual tuner DVB-T digital TV card.... they are not even remotely similar at all.
Look here for info http://www.linuxtv.org/ (http://www.linuxtv.org/)
Andrew
Thom, I feel your frustration. But setting up tuners in mythtv isn't too bad really. Still, what kind of steps are involved with making templates? Could I, with no programing knowledge, write a template? If so, I'd be willing to make some.
No, you miss the point.
If LMCE doesn't know about the tuner cards, it not only can't set them up in the setup wizard automatically, you can't use them to control legacy A/V devices...
You'll need a little bit of shell scripting experience to make the plug and play scripts.
If you look in the web admin, Advanced > configuration > device templates, you'll see the main UI for manipulating and creating templates...
Select the PVR-150 template, and have a look. You'll see references to various .sh scripts, these can be found in /usr/pluto/bin
Basically the template specifies what the device is, what it can do, and how it should set itself up.
The shell scripts are the needed steps required to set up the device itself.
Basically, any device that LinuxMCE can use effectively, needs to be able to output MPEG-2 to something like /dev/video0, like the PVR 150/250/500/USB2/etc do.
I can be here to answer questions.
-Thom
Quote from: tschak909 on December 01, 2008, 02:32:44 AM
No, you miss the point.
If LMCE doesn't know about the tuner cards, it not only can't set them up in the setup wizard automatically, you can't use them to control legacy A/V devices...
You'll need a little bit of shell scripting experience to make the plug and play scripts.
If you look in the web admin, Advanced > configuration > device templates, you'll see the main UI for manipulating and creating templates...
Select the PVR-150 template, and have a look. You'll see references to various .sh scripts, these can be found in /usr/pluto/bin
Basically the template specifies what the device is, what it can do, and how it should set itself up.
The shell scripts are the needed steps required to set up the device itself.
Basically, any device that LinuxMCE can use effectively, needs to be able to output MPEG-2 to something like /dev/video0, like the PVR 150/250/500/USB2/etc do.
I can be here to answer questions.
-Thom
So, I think I'm just stupid when it comes to this stuff. But if a card can output MPEG-2 it will somewhat work? You'll just have to set it up manually?
yes, but again, you will not be able to pipe legacy A/V devices through it (cable box, VCR, whatever.), so you lose half of the functionality possible in LinuxMCE (LinuxMCE is much more than MythTV)
-Thom
Quote from: Afkpuz on November 30, 2008, 12:40:35 AM
Well, remember that it is only the free, over the air tv that is switching to digital. If you pay comcast for regular tv, you will not need a digital converter box. They will still send the normal cable signal through your cable wire. So, standard definition capture cards will still work after 2009. The way they are marketing this, they make you think that all tv is going digital. This is a shameless marketing ploy. so, if you have a cable subscription, you can still use haupauge cards. You can buy them at newegg.com. They only sell hybrid cards now, but they still work with NTSC (Analog).
Sorta. The requirement is for over the air TV to be digital only after Feb 17, 2009, but cable companies can switch as much or as little as they want and at any time they want to digital. The only requirement is if they have ANY analog programming they must include analog for all local stations. If they go 100% digital, then no analog will be available.
Cable companies are switching to digital at their own pace. I spoke to a tech rep for my provider and was told they are switching to 100% digital in Feb, same time as the OTA cutover. My guess is this allows them to make the switch and direct unhappy customers to the FCC. Either way, I have quit using my TV capture card for recording because some analog channels have already gone digital and I don't want to try to keep track of changes. It sucks but for semi-reliable tv recording I'm stuck with s-video capture. After Feb I'll scan what digital channels are available and hopefully be able to make use of a HDHomerun if the channels I record the bulk of shows on are both digital and unencrypted.
Well, I know that comcast has said that they will continue providing analog cable after February. As for how long they will carry analog, I have no idea.
Quote from: Afkpuz on December 01, 2008, 10:21:20 PM
Well, I know that comcast has said that they will continue providing analog cable after February. As for how long they will carry analog, I have no idea.
Didn't they also say their internet was unlimited? ;D
Oddly enough, I have comcast and they are the ones that told me it will be all digital after Feb. Later I figured out one of my wife's shows was no longer being recorded 'cause the channel was no longer available. I tried both my TV card and a older analog only TV without luck, but my newer digital TV was able to tune that channel in.
I see Comcast is offering a $10/month for 1 year basic cable package for people that have old TVs and don't want cable boxes (aka analog cable). It could be that I have the digital/HD package and it's that offering that is going all digital, or the tech support guy could be wrong and they are just shifting some channels around. In any case, cable companies can do whatever they want making PC based PVRs more of a hassle.
I just installed the hauppage 150 and it only seems to pick up the same channels that rabbit ears can pick up (2,6,8,12 network news etc.). Should I assume this means my cable provider has gone digital already or is there a setting somewhere that switches this card from antenna to cable like on a TV?
No, you need to change your channel frequency table. In the mythtv setup (Advanced, Computing, mythtv), go into the general settings and goto the second page. Change the "Channel frequency table" to us-cable.
Quote from: tschak909 on November 29, 2008, 04:10:25 PM
We will support the Hauppauge HD-PVR once the driver becomes more stable.
-Thom
Any word on support for the HD PVR? Or maybe slingbox as an alternative?
the driver slowly reaches stability.
You can google for Janne G.'s page to get the latest version of the driver from his mercurial repo if you want to test it out.
-Thom
Quote from: tschak909 on January 22, 2009, 06:59:35 PM
the driver slowly reaches stability.
You can google for Janne G.'s page to get the latest version of the driver from his mercurial repo if you want to test it out.
-Thom
Thanks Thom. If I pony up the cash for this box, how much can I bug you for support?
Currently, none, nobody has made a device template for the device yet.
-Thom