Who offers prebuilt LinuxMCE products? I am familiar with Fiire and Convergent Home Technologies. Are there any other authorized prebuilt LinuxMCE products?
Dave
Centersonic.com
Quote from: hari on August 10, 2008, 06:12:45 PM
Centersonic.com
Just thought that I'd point out that Centersonic is the German branding for Dianemo the system that my company CHT markets/installs in the UK.
All the best
Andrew
That's cool. There are already three company which offers commercial versions of LinuxMCE. I'm also planning to start the same thing. But I'm wondering about LiveTV. VDR is good but it doesn't work on MDs. MythTV works fine on MDs but it isn't stable. From my experience streaming LiveTV is the most requested feature after lighting control. So, how, guys, you solve that? Just don't offer it at all?
Quote from: totallymaxed on August 10, 2008, 09:34:52 PM
Just thought that I'd point out that Centersonic is the German branding for Dianemo the system that my company CHT markets/installs in the UK.
good to know. I wish you all the best for the german market.
br,
Hari
Quote from: nite_man on August 10, 2008, 09:50:58 PM
That's cool. There are already three company which offers commercial versions of LinuxMCE. I'm also planning to start the same thing. But I'm wondering about LiveTV. VDR is good but it doesn't work on MDs. MythTV works fine on MDs but it isn't stable. From my experience streaming LiveTV is the most requested feature after lighting control. So, how, guys, you solve that? Just don't offer it at all?
Well in our Dianemo builds we have LiveTV & recorded TV working on MD's and now have bi-directional KNX/EIB implimented too. We plan to migrate z-wave to our bi-directional code soon too. We will release an update for the current shipping lmcevdr version in LinuxMCE thats is based on the newer Dianemo code base imminently.
All the best
Andrew
Thanks for everyones input. Based on this feedback it appears that Fiire is the only authorized source for prebuilt LinuxMCE products in the US market, unless one includes Pluto. Any reasons for going (or not going) with Pluto vs. Fiire? Presumably Fiire is a cheaper option.
Thanks,
Dave
Quote from: mduno on August 11, 2008, 06:36:05 PM
Thanks for everyones input. Based on this feedback it appears that Fiire is the only authorized source for prebuilt LinuxMCE products in the US market, unless one includes Pluto. Any reasons for going (or not going) with Pluto vs. Fiire? Presumably Fiire is a cheaper option.
Thanks,
Dave
As far as I know Pluto no longer sell hardware at all.
Andrew
Andrew, you are correct. I called Pluto after posting and the individual I spoke with did say that they're currently not selling hardware.
Dave
Quote from: totallymaxed on August 11, 2008, 05:23:08 PM
Well in our Dianemo builds we have LiveTV & recorded TV working on MD's and now have bi-directional KNX/EIB implimented too. We plan to migrate z-wave to our bi-directional code soon too. We will release an update for the current shipping lmcevdr version in LinuxMCE thats is based on the newer Dianemo code base imminently.
Great! KNX/EIB is very popular in Europe and Russia. Are you going to share that as well ;)
Quote from: nite_man on August 12, 2008, 08:53:30 AM
Quote from: totallymaxed on August 11, 2008, 05:23:08 PM
Well in our Dianemo builds we have LiveTV & recorded TV working on MD's and now have bi-directional KNX/EIB implimented too. We plan to migrate z-wave to our bi-directional code soon too. We will release an update for the current shipping lmcevdr version in LinuxMCE thats is based on the newer Dianemo code base imminently.
Great! KNX/EIB is very popular in Europe and Russia. Are you going to share that as well ;)
We plan to make it the standard way we add new control interfaces within Dianemo so KNX/EIB is only the first interface of several. Z-wave will be the next one.
We almost certainly will share this code... but I have not got a schedule for when we'd do that yet. I imagine we'll get z-wave and possibly one other interface implemented before we do so though.
All the best
Andrew
Andrew,
Quote from: totallymaxed on August 11, 2008, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: nite_man on August 10, 2008, 09:50:58 PM
That's cool. There are already three company which offers commercial versions of LinuxMCE. I'm also planning to start the same thing. But I'm wondering about LiveTV. VDR is good but it doesn't work on MDs. MythTV works fine on MDs but it isn't stable. From my experience streaming LiveTV is the most requested feature after lighting control. So, how, guys, you solve that? Just don't offer it at all?
Well in our Dianemo builds we have LiveTV & recorded TV working on MD's and now have bi-directional KNX/EIB implimented too. We plan to migrate z-wave to our bi-directional code soon too.
I find it very disturbing, that we still not have the functionality in the general LMCE distribution, that you provide to your customers.
What does
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We will release an update for the current shipping lmcevdr version in LinuxMCE thats is based on the newer Dianemo code base imminently.
means in terms of a timeframe?
Weeks, month ...
It was always my assumption that the strong point of FOSS projects is the early availability to all parties involved, instead of going the commercial route, and first build everything secretively and come out much later.
rgds
Oliver
Quote from: posde on August 12, 2008, 03:46:18 PM
Andrew,
Quote from: totallymaxed on August 11, 2008, 05:23:08 PM
Quote from: nite_man on August 10, 2008, 09:50:58 PM
That's cool. There are already three company which offers commercial versions of LinuxMCE. I'm also planning to start the same thing. But I'm wondering about LiveTV. VDR is good but it doesn't work on MDs. MythTV works fine on MDs but it isn't stable. From my experience streaming LiveTV is the most requested feature after lighting control. So, how, guys, you solve that? Just don't offer it at all?
Well in our Dianemo builds we have LiveTV & recorded TV working on MD's and now have bi-directional KNX/EIB implimented too. We plan to migrate z-wave to our bi-directional code soon too.
I find it very disturbing, that we still not have the functionality in the general LMCE distribution, that you provide to your customers.
What does
Quote
We will release an update for the current shipping lmcevdr version in LinuxMCE thats is based on the newer Dianemo code base imminently.
means in terms of a timeframe?
Weeks, month ...
It was always my assumption that the strong point of FOSS projects is the early availability to all parties involved, instead of going the commercial route, and first build everything secretively and come out much later.
rgds
Oliver
For the updated lmcevdr the timeframe is for the most part dependant on when the maintainers decide to push the update out the final rev of this revision will probably be ready by early next week. But then this revision has to be built into an update package together with possibly several other components. This then has to be tested to make sure that separately and together these can be applied without breaking anything.
I myself nor any of my engineers are directly involved in the process of testing or scheduling the update... so I cant be any more specific than that as to when it will be available to the community.
We are currently putting a substantial amount of engineering effort into the lmcevdr code and we have already put literally thousands of Man Days into the overall engineering/testing/debugging of both Pluto & LinuxMCE over the last nearly 4 years. This is a substantial commitment by any standard I think.
Our bi-directional KNX/EIB & Z-wave driver code is 100% internally developed by our engineers and is not derived from any existing Open Source source code. The final decision on whether to release is not taken yet although I expect that we will release it under the GPL.
Yes there will always be a lag between the capabilities of our Dianemo product and those capabilities appearing in the public LinuxMCE release or updates. And in some limited ways there maybe some Dianemo features that never appear in the public release either because they are not based on Open Source code or because they require Dianemo specific hardware to be useful.
Sorry if your not happy with that... but then if your not happy with it you can always go and create your own code to fix the problem yourself ;-)
All the best
Andrew
seriously, what's the point of this shared code base, if we all develop it in our own silos anyway?
I'm more than a little aggravated at everybody having their own agendas and doing development in isolation. I have, since day one developed code for this project and committed it early, and often, sure, it's buggy, it's weird, BUT ANYONE CAN SEE IT. Why? because I have this little notion of, "maybe someone knows how to do it better than me" .. wow! WHAT A CONCEPT!
Just remember fellas, you recieve what you give out.
-Thom
Quote from: totallymaxed on August 12, 2008, 05:24:40 PM
Our bi-directional KNX/EIB & Z-wave driver code is 100% internally developed by our engineers and is not derived from any existing Open Source source code. The final decision on whether to release is not taken yet although I expect that we will release it under the GPL.
are we working on three Z-Wave drivers now (pluto, dianemo and mine [http://svn.linuxmce.org/pluto/branches/charon-merge/src/ZWave/])?
best regards,
Hari
Andrew,
thank you for your update, and I am looking forward to any updates that come out of the third party developing the VDR integration.
I really am grateful for the amount of time and effort you put into supporting people in the forum.
I hope, that people get together to make sure, we don't spend time twice or thrice, because we are not talking openly with each other (like the Z-Wave example hari pointed out).
A lot of people have been holding their breath for VDR to finally be there. From your statement, I take it, that you yourself are less than amused, to not get the type of ongoing information from the third party that once would expect from professional people.
I read your original statement regarding the VDR implementation like this:
"Hey, VDR is working fine for our customers, but we don't give it to you, because otherwise we might loose something"
Looking at the time and effort a lot of people put into LinuxMCE (effort you as a dealer profit from), that understanding caused some bad feelings, hence my reaction.
I am looking forward to the end of August, to finally send my VDR system into retirement :)
Best regards
Oliver
Quote from: hari on August 12, 2008, 05:45:09 PM
Quote from: totallymaxed on August 12, 2008, 05:24:40 PM
Our bi-directional KNX/EIB & Z-wave driver code is 100% internally developed by our engineers and is not derived from any existing Open Source source code. The final decision on whether to release is not taken yet although I expect that we will release it under the GPL.
are we working on three Z-Wave drivers now (pluto, dianemo and mine [http://svn.linuxmce.org/pluto/branches/charon-merge/src/ZWave/])?
best regards,
Hari
Hari as far as i know the current Pluto derived z-wave driver is not being developed any further at all - so strike that one. Our code has been in development for some time and when we make it available it will be an alternative to yours. The community can choose which one fits there needs better. I dont see that as a problem in anyway for us (ie you or CHT ;-) ) or the community. Choice is good.
All the best
Andrew
Quote from: posde on August 12, 2008, 06:02:04 PM
A lot of people have been holding their breath for VDR to finally be there. From your statement, I take it, that you yourself are less than amused, to not get the type of ongoing information from the third party that once would expect from professional people.
Hmmm.... not sure what your saying above at all. All we are doing is developing a key part of LinuxMCE (at least we see it that way... thats why were doing it!!) that had previously been un-available. So we decided to fix that and write the code... we could have sat on that code and just got on and sold our Dianemo systems to customers. But we chose to make it available to the community.
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I read your original statement regarding the VDR implementation like this:
"Hey, VDR is working fine for our customers, but we don't give it to you, because otherwise we might loose something"
Looking at the time and effort a lot of people put into LinuxMCE (effort you as a dealer profit from), that understanding caused some bad feelings, hence my reaction.
My original response here was by way of an update of where we are at... I in no way was trying to 'brag' about having something you dont'. Why would would you think we would 'loose anything' ? If we had any sense that we might 'loose something' we would not be here at all. We gain enormously by participating here and by having the community use/improve our code. Our Dianemo customers are not the people who frequent this forum... they want a professionally installed working system that hides all the technical issues from them.
Have I ever questioned how much you contribute to this community? No... I dont think I have. So all I would ask is that you treat me and my company in the same way.
All the best
Andrew
Quote from: totallymaxed on August 12, 2008, 09:21:31 PM
Our code has been in development for some time and when we make it available it will be an alternative to yours.
was not sure if you are talking about the new pluto code (1audio was talking about that, too) or if CHT is doing another variant.
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The community can choose which one fits there needs better. I dont see that as a problem in anyway for us (ie you or CHT ;-) ) or the community. Choice is good.
same here :-)
best regards,
Hari
Quote from: totallymaxed on August 12, 2008, 10:08:48 PM
My original response here was by way of an update of where we are at... I in no way was trying to 'brag' about having something you dont'. Why would would you think we would 'loose anything' ? If we had any sense that we might 'loose something' we would not be here at all. We gain enormously by participating here and by having the community use/improve our code. Our Dianemo customers are not the people who frequent this forum... they want a professionally installed working system that hides all the technical issues from them.
Have I ever questioned how much you contribute to this community? No... I dont think I have. So all I would ask is that you treat me and my company in the same way.
Andrew, thank you for clarifying this. I hope I did get my point across, with regards to the expectations a lot of people had from the initial release of VDR, and the shortcomings they found out later on. I do appreciate everybodies work within the LinuxMCE community, whether it is developers, support people, or users who share their setup in the wiki, for the rest to benefit from.
During the last couple of month, I closely followed what other people were doing, and how open they were in providing the code they were (and are) working on. This gave (and gives) me a sense of progress, and that feeling is very nice.
All the best to you as well, and I am looking forward to whatever might come out.
Best regards
Oliver
PS: And comparing your message count with mine, clearly shows, who is doing more for support in here. ;)