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Re: Dianemo S from CHT - Ubuntu 12.04LTS Release Now Shipping World Wide!
« Reply #420 on: September 13, 2014, 02:19:23 pm »
Any person can intall LinuxMCE for personal use without the need for a license. Anyone that wants to make money from it, needs a license.

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Re: Dianemo S from CHT - Ubuntu 12.04LTS Release Now Shipping World Wide!
« Reply #421 on: September 13, 2014, 08:00:07 pm »
I understand that you feel you need to protect it. However I don't think that it will really take of quickly if it is not really open. My feeling saids we need some companies like yours or in other areas (and preferably bigger) that really support and push forward the system. I think it's to risky business wise to build on software like this if it is not really open (and no big company supporting it, and even those fuck up most of the time in the long run somewhere). It could work if the base is open (like linuxmce and you have some nice add-ons that make it more smooth but the basic should function.

However since the relative little response here in the community I suppose most here are cheapskates not willing to donate even one penny to make it really open. Never expected it to be that way. The only excuse is that it is not clearly stated that your work will make linuxmce also get rid of the current constrictions (and to me that is also still not clear).

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Re: Dianemo S from CHT - Ubuntu 12.04LTS Release Now Shipping World Wide!
« Reply #422 on: September 15, 2014, 03:58:35 pm »
I understand that you feel you need to protect it. However I don't think that it will really take of quickly if it is not really open. My feeling saids we need some companies like yours or in other areas (and preferably bigger) that really support and push forward the system. I think it's to risky business wise to build on software like this if it is not really open (and no big company supporting it, and even those fuck up most of the time in the long run somewhere). It could work if the base is open (like linuxmce and you have some nice add-ons that make it more smooth but the basic should function.

However since the relative little response here in the community I suppose most here are cheapskates not willing to donate even one penny to make it really open. Never expected it to be that way. The only excuse is that it is not clearly stated that your work will make linuxmce also get rid of the current constrictions (and to me that is also still not clear).

We want Open Dianemo to be as 'open' as we can make it while balancing the commercial side of our business. The challenges of just using GPLv3 for the whole of Dianemo are many - we've already had some experience of other companies trying to re-sell Dianemo as theirs. So there is some resistance to opening that flood gate (it might only be a trickle ;-)...but that might still be pretty damaging commercially). If we were a large business that could just 'out develop' any competitor that came along and used forked a GPLv3 Open Dianemo release then that would be ok. But we could find that a relatively well funded competitor took our source and built a competing product using it - that could leave us in a situation where we loose.

We're doing our best to find a middle ground and I think we have a pretty good one right now. We will Open Source something like 80% (a rough estimate...could be more or a little less) of the code and place the remainder under a new DPL. If you make code changes to the GPL parts of Open Dianemo then those changes will remain Open. If you make changes to the DPL parts of Dianemo then those changes would remain under the DPL, but accessible freely for non-commercial use. The only restriction on the DPL will be for commercial use - and we will have a range of commercial licensing options for all sizes of business. Those options will span everything from a one person 'mom & pop' sized business up to big commercial partners. The licensing costs for the 'small guy' will be very reasonable indeed - we want those businesses to exist and thrive. There are many forum members that have wanted to build businesses around Dianemo over the years - and i mean considerably more than 250+ over the years, we've always had to turn them away as we could not offer them a commercially viable (for them) deal. So that will change completely. The licensing deals will  increase in price based on the scale & type of business that needs the license. But for everyone else there will be a free and open version they can do whatever they want with - and if anyone subsequently wants to build a business off the back of their private use/experience of Open Dianemo then at any time they can do that, simply by getting a commercial license at the price point that fits their business size.

I think that will be seen by most people as reasonable - at least I hope so.

An we would welcome LMCE taking our Open Dianemo source and integrating it with the LMCE code base. Yes there would be that approx. 20% that would be DPL but for personal use that would have no impact at all.

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Re: Dianemo S from CHT - Ubuntu 12.04LTS Release Now Shipping World Wide!
« Reply #423 on: September 15, 2014, 05:26:31 pm »
An we would welcome LMCE taking our Open Dianemo source and integrating it with the LMCE code base. Yes there would be that approx. 20% that would be DPL but for personal use that would have no impact at all.

What I meant was replace the LMCE parts so that LMCE will be totally open. We already have a personal license.

Looking at the state of the current kickstarter campaign fills me with nothing but sadness. Either something is wrong with what is communicated or it is not communicated through enough channels. Can any of the (linuxmce&dianemo) users here comment why they don't support it and what would make them change their mind and start backing the project???

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Re: Dianemo S from CHT - Ubuntu 12.04LTS Release Now Shipping World Wide!
« Reply #424 on: September 15, 2014, 06:47:04 pm »
What I meant was replace the LMCE parts so that LMCE will be totally open. We already have a personal license.

Looking at the state of the current kickstarter campaign fills me with nothing but sadness. Either something is wrong with what is communicated or it is not communicated through enough channels. Can any of the (linuxmce&dianemo) users here comment why they don't support it and what would make them change their mind and start backing the project???

Well that's kind of what I meant too re bringing code back into LMCE.

Re the lack of backers on Kickstarter - we've actually had a lot of feedback via email and of course none of that is visible on Kickstarter. Of course we'd have loved for the current Kickstarter project to have got backed by thousands of people. But if we don't meet our goal then we will put together a new Kickstarter project with a different set of goals and a range of other changes too. So yes it's frustrating but it's also a great lesson too.

I'd obvious be very pleased if forum members post their views on our Kickstarter here as you suggested. Any and all perspectives/views will be listened to and welcomed.

All the best

Andy

PS Any suggestions re the current, or indeed future, Kickstarter campaigns would be best posted here in this thread so that everyone can see them. I've had some PM's from quite a few people - I appreciate your input very much. But can i ask that if you have any positive or negative suggestions (keep it clean please ;-) ) then please post them here unless they also contain anything private. Thanks.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2014, 02:08:10 pm by totallymaxed »
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Get a Dianemo S License: http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=8880.0
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