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Use of the LMCE logo?
« on: January 04, 2009, 08:46:36 pm »
Hi,
If I was to advertise a certain product as Linux MCE compatible, would I require special permissions from anybody in particular. Also, can I use the LMCE logo to advertise the fact the products I am selling are LinuxMCE compatible?
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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2009, 08:50:10 pm »
The LMCE logo is available for this purpose.

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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2009, 08:52:01 pm »
Great, Thanks!
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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2009, 08:57:20 pm »
sorry, I had just conferred with the other members of the team, and apparently the logo is not to be used for this purpose. I'm sorry.

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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2009, 08:58:31 pm »
I strongly suggest to review the pluto license before selling products like that, unless you want to set yourself up for possible future litigation of course.
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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2009, 09:08:28 pm »
I strongly suggest to review the pluto license before selling products like that, unless you want to set yourself up for possible future litigation of course.

Well as far as I am aware saying 'Your hardware is LinuxMCE compatible' has no bearing on the Pluto License at all... as long as you do not install or provide LinuxMCE software with your hardware.

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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2009, 10:17:12 pm »
I strongly suggest to review the pluto license before selling products like that, unless you want to set yourself up for possible future litigation of course.

Well as far as I am aware saying 'Your hardware is LinuxMCE compatible' has no bearing on the Pluto License at all... as long as you do not install or provide LinuxMCE software with your hardware.

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As far as I'm aware it is at least a grey area, last time I looked into it I distinctly remember clauses about claiming compatablity with pluto software, whether the software was pre-installed or not.  Seems to me that lawyers could pretty much bend this any way that suits them.

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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2009, 01:43:06 pm »
Here is an excerpt from the Pluto License page
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Examples of “Hardware distribution” which require a separate license:
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    * 4. A company offers tangible merchandise that comes with the Pluto system pre-installed or bundled with the system, such as a personal computer, a television, an automobile, a point of sale system, etc.
    * 5. A reseller, such as a smart home dealer, offers hard goods which are clearly intended to ultimately run this software, and are marketed as such.
    * 6. A manufacturer offers a product which automatically installs this software, or includes instructions on how to do so.
    * 7. A dealer offers a product based on Pluto, but directs his clients to purchase the required hardware from a third party.

Maybe this helps to clear things up a bit.

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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2009, 02:40:52 pm »
Is it possible to buy licence to sell hardware with pre-installed LMCE? If so how it can be done?
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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2009, 02:43:17 pm »
i'd vote against usage of the logo without approval from the foundation.

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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2009, 02:57:04 pm »
Is it possible to buy licence to sell hardware with pre-installed LMCE? If so how it can be done?

You'd have to contact Pluto and obtain a license. The license fee is per unit afaik (and less than a new n810 iirc)

Also, totallymaxed might have some details on it.

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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2009, 02:57:35 pm »
i'd vote against usage of the logo without approval from the foundation.

Anyone knows what the status of the foundation is?

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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2009, 11:56:51 pm »
Here is an excerpt from the Pluto License page
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Examples of “Hardware distribution” which require a separate license:
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    * 4. A company offers tangible merchandise that comes with the Pluto system pre-installed or bundled with the system, such as a personal computer, a television, an automobile, a point of sale system, etc.
    * 5. A reseller, such as a smart home dealer, offers hard goods which are clearly intended to ultimately run this software, and are marketed as such.
    * 6. A manufacturer offers a product which automatically installs this software, or includes instructions on how to do so.
    * 7. A dealer offers a product based on Pluto, but directs his clients to purchase the required hardware from a third party.


Maybe this helps to clear things up a bit.

I'm not real sure about this, I read the Pluto license and it seems the intent is to prevent people from selling hardware that will actually run the software without a license (i.e. Computers, PDA's, etc.).  The question is: What about peripherals like a tuner card or a usb>serial cable?  You certainly shouldn't have to buy a Pluto license for each component of a system, you could end up needing 10 licenses for one box.  Also, if it's a licensing issue, is Pluto the only license you have to worry about?  LMCE uses many products, Xine, MythTV, etc., why would you need Pluto licensing but not the others?

The other issue that hasn't been addressed is strictly logo use.  This may not be a license issue at all, it may simply be a matter of finding out what the logo use restrictions are.  If it were me, I'd contact Pluto directly, tell them what products you're looking to sell and see if you can use the logo.  Problem solved.



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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2009, 05:30:19 pm »
The linuxmce logo has nothing to do with pluto. afik



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Re: Use of the LMCE logo?
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2009, 10:02:51 pm »
Wait, what?  What is the license for LinuxMCE?  I thought it was GPL and the Pluto license specific stuff was separate and not available with LMCE?