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Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« on: August 10, 2008, 03:38:51 am »
Who offers prebuilt LinuxMCE products?  I am familiar with Fiire and Convergent Home Technologies.  Are there any other authorized prebuilt LinuxMCE products?

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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2008, 06:12:45 pm »
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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2008, 09:34:52 pm »
Centersonic.com

Just thought that I'd point out that Centersonic is the German branding for Dianemo the system that my company CHT markets/installs in the UK.

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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2008, 09:50:58 pm »
That's cool. There are already three company which offers commercial versions of LinuxMCE. I'm also planning to start the same thing. But I'm wondering about LiveTV. VDR is good but it doesn't work on MDs. MythTV works fine on MDs but it isn't stable. From my experience streaming LiveTV is the most requested feature after lighting control. So, how, guys, you solve that? Just don't offer it at all?
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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2008, 12:45:55 pm »
Just thought that I'd point out that Centersonic is the German branding for Dianemo the system that my company CHT markets/installs in the UK.

good to know. I wish you all the best for the german market.

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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 05:23:08 pm »
That's cool. There are already three company which offers commercial versions of LinuxMCE. I'm also planning to start the same thing. But I'm wondering about LiveTV. VDR is good but it doesn't work on MDs. MythTV works fine on MDs but it isn't stable. From my experience streaming LiveTV is the most requested feature after lighting control. So, how, guys, you solve that? Just don't offer it at all?

Well in our Dianemo builds we have LiveTV & recorded TV working on MD's and now have bi-directional KNX/EIB implimented too. We plan to migrate z-wave to our bi-directional code soon too. We will release an update for the current shipping lmcevdr version in LinuxMCE thats is based on the newer Dianemo code base imminently.

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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 06:36:05 pm »
Thanks for everyones input.  Based on this feedback it appears that Fiire is the only authorized source for prebuilt LinuxMCE products in the US market, unless one includes Pluto.  Any reasons for going (or not going) with Pluto vs. Fiire?  Presumably Fiire is a cheaper option.

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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 09:04:39 pm »
Thanks for everyones input.  Based on this feedback it appears that Fiire is the only authorized source for prebuilt LinuxMCE products in the US market, unless one includes Pluto.  Any reasons for going (or not going) with Pluto vs. Fiire?  Presumably Fiire is a cheaper option.

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As far as I know Pluto no longer sell hardware at all.

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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2008, 02:02:06 am »
Andrew, you are correct.  I called Pluto after posting and the individual I spoke with did say that they're currently not selling hardware.

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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2008, 08:53:30 am »
Well in our Dianemo builds we have LiveTV & recorded TV working on MD's and now have bi-directional KNX/EIB implimented too. We plan to migrate z-wave to our bi-directional code soon too. We will release an update for the current shipping lmcevdr version in LinuxMCE thats is based on the newer Dianemo code base imminently.

Great! KNX/EIB is very popular in Europe and Russia. Are you going to share that as well ;)
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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2008, 11:14:22 am »
Well in our Dianemo builds we have LiveTV & recorded TV working on MD's and now have bi-directional KNX/EIB implimented too. We plan to migrate z-wave to our bi-directional code soon too. We will release an update for the current shipping lmcevdr version in LinuxMCE thats is based on the newer Dianemo code base imminently.

Great! KNX/EIB is very popular in Europe and Russia. Are you going to share that as well ;)

We plan to make it the standard way we add new control interfaces within Dianemo so KNX/EIB is only the first interface of several. Z-wave will be the next one.

We almost certainly will share this code... but I have not got a schedule for when we'd do that yet. I imagine we'll get z-wave and possibly one other interface implemented before we do so though.

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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2008, 03:46:18 pm »
Andrew,
That's cool. There are already three company which offers commercial versions of LinuxMCE. I'm also planning to start the same thing. But I'm wondering about LiveTV. VDR is good but it doesn't work on MDs. MythTV works fine on MDs but it isn't stable. From my experience streaming LiveTV is the most requested feature after lighting control. So, how, guys, you solve that? Just don't offer it at all?

Well in our Dianemo builds we have LiveTV & recorded TV working on MD's and now have bi-directional KNX/EIB implimented too. We plan to migrate z-wave to our bi-directional code soon too.

I find it very disturbing, that we still not have the functionality in the general LMCE distribution, that you provide to your customers.

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We will release an update for the current shipping lmcevdr version in LinuxMCE thats is based on the newer Dianemo code base imminently.

means in terms of a timeframe?

Weeks, month ...

It was always my assumption that the strong point of FOSS projects is the early availability to all parties involved, instead of going the commercial route, and first build everything secretively and come out much later.

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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 05:24:40 pm »
Andrew,
That's cool. There are already three company which offers commercial versions of LinuxMCE. I'm also planning to start the same thing. But I'm wondering about LiveTV. VDR is good but it doesn't work on MDs. MythTV works fine on MDs but it isn't stable. From my experience streaming LiveTV is the most requested feature after lighting control. So, how, guys, you solve that? Just don't offer it at all?

Well in our Dianemo builds we have LiveTV & recorded TV working on MD's and now have bi-directional KNX/EIB implimented too. We plan to migrate z-wave to our bi-directional code soon too.

I find it very disturbing, that we still not have the functionality in the general LMCE distribution, that you provide to your customers.

What does
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We will release an update for the current shipping lmcevdr version in LinuxMCE thats is based on the newer Dianemo code base imminently.

means in terms of a timeframe?

Weeks, month ...

It was always my assumption that the strong point of FOSS projects is the early availability to all parties involved, instead of going the commercial route, and first build everything secretively and come out much later.

rgds
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For the updated lmcevdr the timeframe is for the most part dependant on when the maintainers decide to push the update out the final rev of this revision will probably be ready by early next week. But then this revision has to be built into an update package together with possibly several other components. This then has to be tested to make sure that separately and together these can be applied without breaking anything.

I myself nor any of my engineers are directly involved in the process of testing or scheduling the update... so I cant be any more specific than that as to when it will be available to the community.

We are currently putting a substantial amount of engineering effort into the lmcevdr code and we have already put literally thousands of Man Days into the overall engineering/testing/debugging of both Pluto & LinuxMCE over the last nearly 4 years. This is a substantial commitment by any standard I think.

Our bi-directional KNX/EIB & Z-wave driver code is 100% internally developed by our engineers and is not derived from any existing Open Source source code. The final decision on whether to release is not taken yet although I expect that we will release it under the GPL.

Yes there will always be a lag between the capabilities of our Dianemo product and those capabilities appearing in the public LinuxMCE release or updates. And in some limited ways there maybe some Dianemo features that never appear in the public release either because they are not based on Open Source code or because they require Dianemo specific hardware to be useful.

Sorry if your not happy with that... but then if your not happy with it you can always go and create your own code to fix the problem yourself ;-)

All the best

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2008, 05:43:37 pm »
seriously, what's the point of this shared code base, if we all develop it in our own silos anyway?

I'm more than a little aggravated at everybody having their own agendas and doing development in isolation. I have, since day one developed code for this project and committed it early, and often, sure, it's buggy, it's weird, BUT ANYONE CAN SEE IT. Why? because I have this little notion of, "maybe someone knows how to do it better than me" .. wow! WHAT A CONCEPT!

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Re: Prebuilt LinuxMCE Products
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2008, 05:45:09 pm »
Our bi-directional KNX/EIB & Z-wave driver code is 100% internally developed by our engineers and is not derived from any existing Open Source source code. The final decision on whether to release is not taken yet although I expect that we will release it under the GPL.

are we working on three Z-Wave drivers now (pluto, dianemo and mine [http://svn.linuxmce.org/pluto/branches/charon-merge/src/ZWave/])?

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