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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2008, 11:09:28 am » |
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Yes! all the same in my camp.
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« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2008, 12:33:59 am » |
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LOL. Still not shipped by the end of business today. How do these guys stay in business?
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« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2008, 11:31:49 am » |
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LOL. Still not shipped by the end of business today. How do these guys stay in business?
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« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2008, 01:26:31 am » |
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LOL. Still not shipped by the end of business today. How do these guys stay in business?
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« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2008, 02:00:05 pm » |
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Mine left the US as of last night at 12:25AM. So I guess it is enroute to Canada. It looks like it was scanned into the system at 10am yesterday morning.
If I was completely new to LMCE and came into it via Fiire, I would certainly be looking at other options. This is a very bad rap for LMCE in my eyes, A new user is going to be quickly turned off from the opening experience if they were not aware that Fiire is not related to the community directly. Just my .00002 cents.
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oh, trust me. I don't recommend Fiire to anyone who asks. I saw one of our own developers get completely burned on their first generation hardware.
This system is incredibly complex, and anyone who sells it, needs not only to get a license, but also to become intimately involved with the system at a code level, as well as maintaining solid and consistent customer service with their customers. This is an immense challenge, only capable by those who truly believe in satisfying all of the above requirements (and you will sacrifice something of yourself to do it, trust me.)
This is a message to the people at Fiire: Shape up, or we are going to make you irrelevant.
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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2008, 02:22:39 pm » |
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Not long ago I added a buyer beware comment in the wiki where the Fiire products were listed, along with a list of links to forum articles detailing why.
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« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2008, 03:34:41 pm » |
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Dave,
As of this morning my package has finally shipped. So at least there is that good news.
With regards to your comments I have to agree completely. Fiire is part of this community, whether we like it or not. They have developed aspects of Linux MCE, and are featured in the popular 0704 video. A few weeks ago I had never heard of Linux MCE. Being an avid Linux supporter and developer (Linux kernel contributor of over 10 years) I have an innate trust for all free open source projects. Between various Wiki entries and the Linux 0704 video (which originally turned me on to Linux MCE) I had come to believe that Fiire was an active and positive part of the community.
Part of the fault was undoubtedly my own, as Zaerc pointed out, "some people keep sending them money." A quick search of the forums before my purchase and I would have never dealt with them. So that's my bad.
However that does not shift any blame away from Fiire. An online store at the very least must respond to e-mails in a timely fashion and provide proper order tracking. You must ship product in a timely fashion. You must support the products you sell. Fiire fails miserably at all these tasks.
Lets not forget the Fiire representative in this very thread who was claiming to be the GM. As I uncovered in my dealings with Fiire he was in fact only a salesman. This dishonesty is a clear example of the business practices Fiire employs. And what's worse is that they are operating under the guise of support from the LinuxMCE community. Unfortunately this means the bad service Fiire provides reflects as a black mark on the whole Linux MCE project.
As a community we clearly need to make it more obvious to new comers that they should expect better support from a Hong Kong knockoff outfit. Jon has already taken the initiative on this front, and I will continue it by extending the warnings to the video wiki and anywhere else Fiire is mentioned.
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« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2008, 04:19:42 am » |
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Blake is just a salesman?
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« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2008, 08:59:19 am » |
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Blake is just a salesman?
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« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2008, 12:33:10 pm » |
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oh, trust me. I don't recommend Fiire to anyone who asks. I saw one of our own developers get completely burned on their first generation hardware.
This system is incredibly complex, and anyone who sells it, needs not only to get a license, but also to become intimately involved with the system at a code level, as well as maintaining solid and consistent customer service with their customers. This is an immense challenge, only capable by those who truly believe in satisfying all of the above requirements (and you will sacrifice something of yourself to do it, trust me.)
This is a message to the people at Fiire: Shape up, or we are going to make you irrelevant.
-Thom
Thom, Do they infact HAVE a pluto liscence? Maybe a LMCE front page tag like ""Fiire BAD"" would be good. Do they actually contribute to the cause or Just profit from the info we supply here free to help them as well. I know we cannot control who are reading the forums, and I for one would certainly not want to leave a customer of their's out in the cold for help if those users needed us here in the community. Dave |
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« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2008, 02:16:29 pm » |
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oh, trust me. I don't recommend Fiire to anyone who asks. I saw one of our own developers get completely burned on their first generation hardware.
This system is incredibly complex, and anyone who sells it, needs not only to get a license, but also to become intimately involved with the system at a code level, as well as maintaining solid and consistent customer service with their customers. This is an immense challenge, only capable by those who truly believe in satisfying all of the above requirements (and you will sacrifice something of yourself to do it, trust me.)
This is a message to the people at Fiire: Shape up, or we are going to make you irrelevant.
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Thom, Do they infact HAVE a pluto liscence? Maybe a LMCE front page tag like ""Fiire BAD"" would be good. Do they actually contribute to the cause or Just profit from the info we supply here free to help them as well. I know we cannot control who are reading the forums, and I for one would certainly not want to leave a customer of their's out in the cold for help if those users needed us here in the community. Dave My understanding is that Fiire definitely have a commercial agreement with Pluto so that is not in any doubt. As far as I am aware they have very little or no presence here in the forum currently and in fact never have in the past either. I am also not aware of any other contribution they make to the community as I am almost 100% certain they make no code contributions at all. All the best Andrew |
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« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2008, 03:00:13 pm » |
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oh, trust me. I don't recommend Fiire to anyone who asks. I saw one of our own developers get completely burned on their first generation hardware.
This system is incredibly complex, and anyone who sells it, needs not only to get a license, but also to become intimately involved with the system at a code level, as well as maintaining solid and consistent customer service with their customers. This is an immense challenge, only capable by those who truly believe in satisfying all of the above requirements (and you will sacrifice something of yourself to do it, trust me.)
This is a message to the people at Fiire: Shape up, or we are going to make you irrelevant.
-Thom
Thom, Do they infact HAVE a pluto liscence? Maybe a LMCE front page tag like ""Fiire BAD"" would be good. Do they actually contribute to the cause or Just profit from the info we supply here free to help them as well. I know we cannot control who are reading the forums, and I for one would certainly not want to leave a customer of their's out in the cold for help if those users needed us here in the community. Dave My understanding is that Fiire definitely have a commercial agreement with Pluto so that is not in any doubt. As far as I am aware they have very little or no presence here in the forum currently and in fact never have in the past either. I am also not aware of any other contribution they make to the community as I am almost 100% certain they make no code contributions at all. All the best Andrew NICE!!!  So they sell their crap to unsuspecting clients, do not offer tech support by the sounds of it and then we support their clients through the forum and the wiki. - Great Business Model. NOTE: This is directed at Fiire ofcourse and not to whom have purchased equipment from them. WOW! talk about buyer beware. Dave |
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« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2008, 02:24:27 am » |
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Andrew - Fiire were talking about expanding outside N.A. (EMEA, AP, AU/NZ) - seems highly unlikely at this point given they can't even service their N.A. customers, but the leaves the rest of the world outside the UK without any hope of a packaged provider...
Is there ANY chance that CHT might think about expanding at some point in the future? I realise that your business model is heavily dependant on the value-add that you provide complete/configured/integrated systems, and are not just a box dropper, which makes it difficult for you. But would you consider at least providing systems without this service, outside the UK? (I think you mentioned Germany recently, I was thinking furter afield tho!)
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« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2008, 05:52:44 am » |
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Hi all,
I am one of those people who didn't do their homework in relation to posts from other people. As a result of the 'lack' of service and support from FIIRE i was almost ready to walk away from this whole environment, but thanks to the efforts and support of poeple in this forum my thoughts have certainly been turned around. Whilst i am not a guru in relation to this product(LMCE) i am certainly happy to recommend it to anyone based on my experiences. I will certainly be pushing the point of not using or purchasing fiire equipment.
I too would be interested to know whether CHT would be interested in expanding into Australia as i certainly believe there is a market for LMCE and believe a good integrator would do exceptionally well.
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