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thinking about new av receiver
« on: July 29, 2014, 11:42:28 pm »
I was wondering, since my current again receiver is getting long in the tooth, what I would buy as a replacement. I figure a ethernet-port would not be a bad idea.
So what do you guys think....got some suggestions?

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2014, 01:50:31 am »
Whenever I think AV receiver with regards to LinuxMCE, I think Denon.

Whether you want ethernet or not, is a personal preference thingie. If Ethernet is not needed, I would make sure to get RS232 for sure.

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2014, 09:31:27 pm »
Onkyo receivers work very smooth as well, and they have ethernet...

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 12:33:23 am »
pioneer does work well too

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2014, 01:03:07 pm »
I wondered if it is possible to use the ethernet connection as multiple audio cards somehow? (so one can stream with squeeze to it and have a multi zone solution)

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2014, 02:23:45 pm »
Hi,

The internet connections are usually for listening to "their" default radio stations via URL like BBC, etc.

You can change them via editing URL to what you like, but as a multiple audio card? Then squeeze would have to have a URL or maybe IP address?.

Maybe some manufactures would allow an ip address instead of a URL.

You could only get up to 3 zones depending upon the receiver (2 channel stereo only) but if you want multi-zone go with a distributor.

Feed it your stereo source and distribute it.

Or, am I totally misunderstanding you?

(I did just off working 3 12 hours nights in a row).

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2014, 11:07:23 pm »
I would be most interested in control via Ethernet..

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2014, 10:45:38 am »
Or, am I totally misunderstanding you?
Nope. thats what I was thinking off. In theory is very easy if you only need one ethernet cable and then can use that to control the device and distribute the audio. I thought that with 9.2 surround devices you can create 4 stereo and one mono channel (for toilet or whatever ;-) ). I tried analog as you suggested using usb but that is to limited in regards to distance. On locations where the amp is close to a core/md hdmi can be used but I want it a bit further away without the need to have a md turned on.

(I did just off working 3 12 hours nights in a row).
tough guy ;-)

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2014, 03:51:26 pm »
Hi,

A 9.2 receiver will only give you a total of 3 zones.

A 5.1 zone(#1) and 2 stereo zones.

You could make the 5.1 a stereo zone but you'd be wasting the 2 sub-woofers.

Normally you would use the 5.1 for home theatre, 1 stereo zone for the kitchen (hardwired speakers for instance) and another stereo zone.

Being cheap myself ($$$), I would have my home theatre zone and 1 two channel stereo zone.  (7.1)

I would take the stereo output to a audio distributor (mechnical) which would then be hard wired out to audio volume controls to the stereo speakers in the room or location.

The distributor could have X number of outputs on it (you could even use one of those wireless Rocketfish transmitter receivers off the distributor).

You could even get one of those newer app controlled audio distributors ($$$), but really, send the output from radio, cd player, MP3 device, etc to the cheaper mechanical device where you can manually turn on the audio areas.  Or leave them always on and control them via the audio volume controls.

LMCE still controls the receiver but you have to manually intervene on the distributor/volume control side.

I hope that my 2 cents helps (see I am cheap - should be at least 5 cents with inflation).

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2014, 09:48:42 pm »
Hi,

A 9.2 receiver will only give you a total of 3 zones.

A 5.1 zone(#1) and 2 stereo zones.

You could make the 5.1 a stereo zone but you'd be wasting the 2 sub-woofers.

Normally you would use the 5.1 for home theatre, 1 stereo zone for the kitchen (hardwired speakers for instance) and another stereo zone.
With pulseaudio you can split that. I have split it on my 7.1 amp into 3 stereo zones and 1 mono in my study and the 7.1 amp in the living indeed in a 5.1 and a stereo zone.



Being cheap myself ($$$), I would have my home theatre zone and 1 two channel stereo zone.  (7.1)

I would take the stereo output to a audio distributor (mechnical) which would then be hard wired out to audio volume controls to the stereo speakers in the room or location.

The distributor could have X number of outputs on it (you could even use one of those wireless Rocketfish transmitter receivers off the distributor).

You could even get one of those newer app controlled audio distributors ($$$), but really, send the output from radio, cd player, MP3 device, etc to the cheaper mechanical device where you can manually turn on the audio areas.  Or leave them always on and control them via the audio volume controls.

LMCE still controls the receiver but you have to manually intervene on the distributor/volume control side.
Quite interesting. which audio distributer you advise (no wireless stuff).

I hope that my 2 cents helps (see I am cheap - should be at least 5 cents with inflation).
LOL

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2014, 03:39:48 pm »
Nope. thats what I was thinking off. In theory is very easy if you only need one ethernet cable and then can use that to control the device and distribute the audio. I thought that with 9.2 surround devices you can create 4 stereo and one mono channel (for toilet or whatever ;-) ). I tried analog as you suggested using usb but that is to limited in regards to distance. On locations where the amp is close to a core/md hdmi can be used but I want it a bit further away without the need to have a md turned on.
tough guy ;-)

The IP connection on a receiver is just that. Any IP based audio services the Receiver can access itself will output audio to any of the onboard audio outputs that can drive speakers - those audio outputs do not go via the RJ45 network connection.

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2014, 10:53:58 am »
The IP connection on a receiver is just that. Any IP based audio services the Receiver can access itself will output audio to any of the onboard audio outputs that can drive speakers - those audio outputs do not go via the RJ45 network connection.

So some kind of streaming server with multichannels is required on the core? Or does something like that already exist? That software can then present itself as multiple output devices on the core (to which squeezeslave/lite can output) and then combine these outputs into one (multichannel) stream that is played by the receiver. Then on the receiver it gets played on the relevant channels since each channel is linked to a speaker.

Does that make sense?


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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2014, 11:35:47 am »
So some kind of streaming server with multichannels is required on the core? Or does something like that already exist? That software can then present itself as multiple output devices on the core (to which squeezeslave/lite can output) and then combine these outputs into one (multichannel) stream that is played by the receiver. Then on the receiver it gets played on the relevant channels since each channel is linked to a speaker.

Does that make sense?

...not quite.

You can run multiple Squeezeslaves on your Core. Each Squeezeslave will need to use a dedicated stereo sound output - these can be USB based or in a Expansion slot. You can also use multiple output soundcard, say a 5.1 card, and 'virtualise' it into 3x stereo cards. Once you have a Squeezeslave/Sound Card combo you can use that to play anything a real Squeezebox can play - simply connect its stereo audio output to an stereo audio input on an amplifier + speakers and you have a working mulit-channel sound capability.

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2014, 12:04:51 pm »
I assume, espergu wants to mux the output of multiple squeezeslaves on the core into a single digital stream that gets send out to the AV receiver over HDMI or TOSLINK, and wants the receiver to output the received data into the various output zones.

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Re: thinking about new av receiver
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2014, 12:22:29 pm »
I assume, espergu wants to mux the output of multiple squeezeslaves on the core into a single digital stream that gets send out to the AV receiver over HDMI or TOSLINK, and wants the receiver to output the received data into the various output zones.

Yep...I got that. But I'm not aware of anyone successfully implementing that...unless espergu plans to give it a try?
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