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Marketplace / Re: Dianemo-Rpi2 - How will Licensing Work After Launch?
« Last post by totallymaxed on May 02, 2015, 02:38:41 pm »
Hi Jason,

As ever you seem to always take an aggressive stance whenever you post something relating to Dianemo. You seem to have an inherent dislike for anything we do or say. All I will say is that we've been involved with LinuxMCE as individuals, and as a company since the very moment this forum was created.

I believe we have demonstrated to everyone over the years here that we are honest and honourable, and we do what we say. We're not perfect of course, but I believe people know that we always strive to do the right 'thing' - you can look through the forums and see that I believe.

I have tried to respond to your comments below;

Your wrote;
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Planning phase of the license but pay us now...   Right.  I've heard that before.  Can you elaborate on which (exactly) portions of your release will be GPL and what capabilities the 'base' Dianemo-Rpi2 includes?  This is very ambiguous and leaves room for you to decide, after you have solicited monies from people, which portions you may release as GPL and which not.  Since the majority of the base of the Dianemo system is GPL (as LinuxMCE is) I'm not sure what the difference is and when/if you intend to provide source for those GPL portions.

Dianemo-Rpi2 Base is the whole system and source code will be provided under the GPL.

You wrote;
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Do 'developers' get access to source code that non-'developers' would not have access to?

If you subscribe to our proposed Dianemo-Rpi2 Developer Subscription site then yes you will get access to source code that is not available to non-subscribers. But that source code will only be for the Plugin extensions we provide as part of the subscription. The plugins we provide to subscribers (the way to extend the base system with custom code) will likely be GPL too - we are still considering this. But in any case source code will be provided to subscribers for our Plugins.

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I'm sorry.  Did I just read that correctly.  People will have to pay for support through this 'free' forum?  WTF?  I do not agree with this myself.  Andrew do you intend to sponsor the forums and pay for the running of the forum to help with your 'paid' support that you will provide?

The Dianemo-Rpi2 Developer Forum will be hosted on our servers and not here. Yes developers who want to participate in our Dianemo-Rpi2 Developer forum will need to subscribe. As we will not be charging for a license to use Dianemo-Rpi2 Base this is how we will generate revenue from Dianemo-Rpi2. Developers will get access to our direct support and participation, our Plugin library and help/support with any Plugin code they are developing themselves.

We think this arrangement will work well for all concerned. Anyone will be able to download Dianemo-Rpi2 base and install it for free - and get a working system from it too. These people will be the majority of the user base, ordinary users who just want to get a basic system working. However if any of those ordinary users wish to dig a little deeper into Dianemo-Rpi2 then they can subscribe to our Forum and get access to all its resources - for about $96 USD per year. So an ordinary user might subscribe for a year simply while they were getting their system in shape. They can cancel their subscription after a year, and never pay us another cent, and they can keep and use any Plugins they downloaded from our library too. So in that scenario their system has cost them just $96.

Alternatively that ordinary user could contact any of the 3rd part Developers who will be subscribers to our Forum and have them customise their Dianemo-Rpi2 system for them - that would be an arrangement between them and we would not be involved in anyway.

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I really love what you're doing (from a commercial standpoint).  But to do it on the back of OSS and a free support forum appears shady to me.

I can't see anything shady at all. We are still evolving our plans, but anyone reading this or that has had any dealings with us, or me, will know we are in no way 'shady'. As I said above the Dianemo-Rpi2 Developer Forum will be hosted on our servers and not here. Anyone who purchases a Dianemo-Rpi2 Preview license currently will get a perpetual membership (at zero cost) to our Dianemo-Rpi2 Developer Forum when it goes live. This is what their payment is really for as Dianemo-Rpi2 Base will be free and available to anyone.

Dianemo X86 will be licensed as it is now (ie a one time license fee) and support will continue to be located here for software only customers as now, as there will continue to be a considerable commonality of code between Dianemo X86 & LinuxMCE.

Andy


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Hi Andy,

Since it is May already (when you're making this post) and you're asking for money for a specific product....  Do you have a more specific date for the end of your 'sale'?

Thanks,

J.

Your confusing yourself again. This thread is about our imminent update for Dianemo X86 that takes it to Ubuntu 14.04LTS, from its current Ubuntu 12.04LTS base. We have numerous systems in final testing both in the field and in our testing lab too.

We expect to release our Ubuntu 14.04LTS updater for existing customers, and our installer for new customers late next week.

All the best

Andy


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Marketplace / Re: Dianemo-Rpi2 - How will Licensing Work After Launch?
« Last post by phenigma on May 02, 2015, 04:38:25 am »
Dianemo-Rpi2 for Raspberry-Pi2 Licensing
A new Era in Smart Home Technology
--Preview License Holders Get Free 'Lifetime' Subscriptions--

Here is how licensing will broadly work after launch:

Andy, since this is a legal binding contract (licensing agreement), if I pay you monies, can you please update us on the 'broad' terms of your licensing agreement so I am legally informed prior to purchase?

We're still very much in the planning phase on licensing, but our current sense is that we may go with a license that works something like this:

  • Dianemo-Rpi2 Base (License GPL)- This is the base Dianemo-Rpi2 software that will be downloadable for free by anyone. Includes access to our online user manual
  • Dianemo-Rpi2 Developer Subscription (around $8 USD per month) - Your subscription will include access to our  Developer Support Forum, Developer Support Services, ability to add Media Directors to your installations, access to our exclusive Plugin Extensions and updates + remote support capability to your customers systems (if you have any of course). You will receive a license key with your subscription. This is targeted at Plugin developers, Smart Home Consultants and anyone customising Dianemo-Rpi2 for end users
Planning phase of the license but pay us now...   Right.  I've heard that before.  Can you elaborate on which (exactly) portions of your release will be GPL and what capabilities the 'base' Dianemo-Rpi2 includes?  This is very ambiguous and leaves room for you to decide, after you have solicited monies from people, which portions you may release as GPL and which not.  Since the majority of the base of the Dianemo system is GPL (as LinuxMCE is) I'm not sure what the difference is and when/if you intend to provide source for those GPL portions.

Essentially the Dianemo-Rpi2 Preview is equivalent to the Dianemo-Rpi2 Base software + 'Developer' subscription level above. So after launch anyone can download the basic system for free. Think of it like downloading Wordpress and installing it on your own hardware. Those that want our direct technical

Do 'developers' get access to source code that non-'developers' would not have access to?

For those who want to develop plugins, or build a consulting business around Dianemo-Rpi2, they can pay for a yearly subscription that will allow them to get support from us through the Forum, develop their own Plugins to extend the base system,  access to our exclusive Plugin Extensions and Remote Access capability to any customer systems they install or advise on (and they can install our exclusive Plugin Extensions on their customer systems at no additional cost either).

I'm sorry.  Did I just read that correctly.  People will have to pay for support through this 'free' forum?  WTF?  I do not agree with this myself.  Andrew do you intend to sponsor the forums and pay for the running of the forum to help with your 'paid' support that you will provide?

The great news is to say thank you to all Dianemo-Rpi2 Preview license holders they will get the developer subscription service for free once it launches, for as long as we make it available - we think this is an incredible deal!

For you, yes it appears to be.  I really love what you're doing (from a commercial standpoint).  But to do it on the back of OSS and a free support forum appears shady to me.

Andy please expressly describe the exactly legal specifications of the license I would pay for.  Thank you.

All the best

Jason
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Hi Andy,

Since it is May already (when you're making this post) and you're asking for money for a specific product....  Do you have a more specific date for the end of your 'sale'?

Thanks,

J.
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Installation issues / Re: Snapshot 1404 - 20150428031230640
« Last post by phenigma on May 02, 2015, 04:09:23 am »
Hi phenigma,
Sorry, but the loop (back to the GRUB menu) will continue forever.
I've tried the *Ubuntu selection, the advanced "kernel selection" but it's deja vu "Groundhog Day" all over again (to further push a bad quote).
Looper [silly movie](to be even more "pun"ishing.
I don't understand why other (install/systems) work and for many, many 14.04 downloads mine goes "loopy".
Cheers

:(  I liked Looper.  Good movie.  But not in this context.  pigdog I would highly suggest you try an internet install (the non-dvd install method).  You can follow the 1204 wiki, but start with a 1404 kubuntu install.  Everything else is the same.  I would expect you to have greater success this way, if the initial 1404 kubuntu install goes well. 

Let us know. Thanks!

J.
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Users / Re: question about internet radio
« Last post by phenigma on May 02, 2015, 04:05:31 am »
Yeah.  Thanks for working on this guys!   :D

J.
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Installation issues / Re: LinuxMCE 14.04 on ESXi?
« Last post by phenigma on May 02, 2015, 04:04:41 am »
Hey,
Just did a re-installation, and indeed, the script runs nicely to the end.
Thanks!!!

Awesome!  Thanks!  Great to hear the feedback!   :D

ps still have the issue when I want to change my internall IP. But I guess it has something to do with /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf. When I comment the dns, make managed true, update /etc/network/interface, it works a lot better...

This makes me wonder a lot.  Can you provide some more specifics about the issue?  NetworkManager *should* be disabled.  If it is still having an influence I'm not aware of it.  Please let us know any and all specifics you can provide about this!  Thanks!

J.
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If you are thinking of purchasing a Dianemo X86 License then you might want to look at our Dianemo X86 Basic license that is currently available for only $249 USD.

See here for details; http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=8880.msg100221#msg100221

Once the Ubuntu 14.04LTS Update ships Dianemo Basic can be updated to 14.04LTS for FREE.

Dianemo X86 licenses will undergo a price increase when we launch support for Ubuntu 14.04LTS. We've released the Updater but we have some components like ZM integration with Dianemo events & viwing ZM cameras in Athena UI that are still not complete. Therefore the price increase will not happen until those are complete.

Best


Andy
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Marketplace / Dianemo X86 on Ubuntu 14.04LTS - Pre-Release Testing Update
« Last post by totallymaxed on May 01, 2015, 03:33:48 pm »
Here is a very brief update on our testing of Ubuntu 14.04LTS installs, and updates from 12.04LTS, for Dianemo X86;

Progress on testing updates is progressing well, with very few issues now remaining. So far we completed 45 updates from Dianemo on 12.04LTS and the last 7-8 have been clean & successful.

Clean installs of Dianemo on Ubuntu 14.04LTS are also reaching the end of pre-release testing. So far we have completed 27 clean installs and the last 5 have been successful.

We also have several Dianemo X86 systems that have been running continuously on 14.04LTS now for about 10 days without any major issues

We expect all test series to continue into next week. If no major issue appear we will likely release the new Dianemo X86 installer and update scripts by Fri next week.

Best

Andy
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Installation issues / Re: LinuxMCE 14.04 on ESXi?
« Last post by brononius on May 01, 2015, 01:38:20 pm »
Hey,

Just did a re-installation, and indeed, the script runs nicely to the end.

Thanks!!!



ps still have the issue when I want to change my internall IP. But I guess it has something to do with /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf. When I comment the dns, make managed true, update /etc/network/interface, it works a lot better...
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