Just a suggestion here (actually 2):

Could you perhaps for the sake of overview etc. delete a VERY problematic ISO like LMCE-1004-20120508033925950.iso? Its only if in a day or 2 somebody find a specific problem with the latest, and you have to advise not to use it - somebody could perhaps overlook this thread and then download an image that is REALLY problematic... It's fine to have the old ISOs available, I remember back in the 810 days when sometimes a beta 3 versions old would be the best at a given time, but if a snapshot is bound to be defect, then lets remove it..

And secondly: I am the biggest fan of rsync - how about having the latest ISO twice on the iptp.org server. One should be called "LMCE-1004-20120509195625955.iso" (or whatever), and then the other one could be "LMCE-1004-latest_pre-beta.iso" - and all people should do is zsync that file, and never have to worry  (since you would be the one overwriting the latest - with the latest

-Tony (who's is only downloading the DVD iso because his setup really F***ed when disabling Myth and enabling VDR - and decided to test this iso)

It's finished baking.

For those of you with older iso's, what I would do if I were you, is try and take advantage of the new zsync's.

Just rename your current image to the new one, so for instance:

Code:

mv LMCE-1004-20120506204225945.iso LMCE-1004-20120509195625955.iso
sudo apt-get install zsync
zsync http://linuxmce.iptp.org/snapshots/LMCE-1004-20120509195625955.iso.zsync

and it will just download what is different between them

Hi all,

Not sure if this goes in to this thread or not...

What is the problem with Myth? Or perhaps a bit sharper: What's the problem with Myth under LMCE? since it appears that many (and many, and many) users are having a good and hassle free experience with dedicated Myth distros.

Is it the backend? Then I am going towards a dedicated myth backend, that the LMCE-Myth master backend can utilize (believe we are keeping to 0.23.1? Rigth?). Is it the frontend, then moving away from the current setup seems to be a very strong suggestion. Is it as stated below the communication between front and beckends, then a rethink would definitely be on top of the list!

Personally I have never got to a usable LMCE solution, solely because of the poor TV experience - and I am not limiting myself to Myth, since I **WANT** what LMCE potentially can deliver. So for the moment I am booting up the servers (physical and virtual) and MDs every now and then, see where it brings me.. But I feel there is still some way until I would consider taking the plunge and go "all-in" on LMCE..

I can easily follow why some (Thom and others) are having a quite hateful relation to Myth, but feature comparison wise are we not limiting ourselves too much by going the VDR way? For me comm-flagging and the advanced scheduling are VERY big Myth plusses. I would like (before offering myself to doing actual developing) to have the input from some of you with more experience with how TV CAN work. If Myth was stable, which platform would you choose, Myth or VDR?

I am all for (since 0.25 is tied with 12.04 already) going down that route, everything else seems to be like putting a Mickey Mouse patch on a leg torn of... 


-Tony

posde, I understand where you are coming from. My point being that from what I could determine from looking at the code( and I could be very wrong) currently MythTV Player communicates through a socket with mythfrontend to watch, change channels etc. The mythfrontend client communication is fairly unstable. This new api would allow an lmce md to communicate directly with the mythbackend even if it is through the DCEROUTER. We could basically eliminate the mythtv frontend altogether in favor of an lmce frontend.

Look here: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/GSD

This was a very simple search on the wiki... Since there is a wiki page with that title. Expect to do searches and learning yourself... If you do so, you will find that people are VERY willing to help.. If you sit back and expect everything to "fall in to the turban", then be prepared for the risk of some negativity or harsh answers...

-Tony

Hari,

Maybe a stupid question but what do you mean with GSD, I'm installing a Luxom installation, I'm interessed what you mean.
I like linux, but still have to learn, so I'm looking forward to your response.

My lone MD stopped booting a few days ago.  It still gets an IP, but when it comes to downloading the initrd and kernel, it bombs out.  Well, the actual order of fail is:

1. tries to download the kernel image that was built for it (can't)
2. then it moves on to the default (no go)
3. finally tries a local boot, but since there's no local install, the PXE boot stops.

I haven't done anything to the MD config itself.  I did however update the core.  Maybe the update did something.

I can see the tftp request on the core in /var/log/syslog.  The core answers properly (I think).  

What could be wrong?

Try looking at this thread http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php/topic,7842.0.html

It could be either this exact error, or perhaps digging from here could lead you in the proper direction. I would assume from your description that it could be from this corrupted line in /tftpboot/pxeboot.cfg/01-<md-mac-address>

-Tony

thanks merkur2k Mobaxterm works awsome even gives me the folders on the left i love it this will do nicely o.O great little program. now i can sit comforably at my desk rather then knees in a server closet
and tackle my next problem getting this ati HDMI audio working -_-.

Dear friend... Especially since you are new to Linux I can only recommend flattening the learning curve whenever possible! Please get a Nvidia card... Please, take this bit of complexity out of the equation.

Rule #1 in LinuxMCE: Be patient...

Even quite seasoned Linux guys cram themselves in to a corner from "habit thinking" and sometimes over-complicate issues.. There's so much we can do with this system - but when we take the difficult choices we are sometimes struggling and wasting good time on stupid problems... Keep your eye on the ball, this is something we all should do. Solve the basics, and THEN add on.

Just my 2 cents.. And I am of course installing on a virtual server, and needing DVB cards... So I am not much smarter than anybody else, but I went there AFTER having a working install.

-Tony

I have been running 8.10 on a VMWare Server 2.0.3 for some time. Now I got a new physical server, and have installed VMWare ESXi 4.1 on this one.

I have now made a new Virtual Machine, and have installed 10.04. But I am in doubt:

When I "for fun" installed 10.04 in my VMWare Server, I installed VMWare tools prior to running CreateDiskless - now I did it after... It appears to be doing some compiling, and changing some of the files that are used when the diskless image is created - but VMWare tools are obviously not desired in physical MDs (and virtualized MDs can only be for testing)...

What is the better approach? And is VMWare tools even needed??

I am having some problems with USB passthrough. I can add the USB controller to my WM, and I can also add the USB devices. But nothing shows on the client, neither in lsusb or dmesg... (I figured that even if I could find no reference to USB in the VMWare tools docs it could be that it would solve it- but no).

I had USB passthrough working under WMWare Server - but actually not sure if it was on the LMCE machines or just some other virtual machines... The reason to change server is that the old one does not have USB 2.0, only 1.1 - and that is not fast enough for DVB-S tuners. These tuners can run on a MD, but my experience is that is the MD only has 1 gig of RAM, and half goes to graphics, then it is struggling to run a Myth backend (even with the master backend on the core).

I know others are using ESXi - are you successful with USB passthrough? And are you using 4.1 og 5.0?

EDIT: Newer mind the USB question - a reboot cured that  

Update: Now I got the Tevii S660 USB DVB-S2 tuner working   
So far I have been able to tune to the channels one 1 sat - I confused which cable went to which of my DISEqC switches (one committed, the other uncommitted) - and the very strange thing is that now both my sat box and Myth has them as committed... So perhaps it was a fluke that I finally got a transponder luck, but it was a quite persistent fluke... I could scan all transponder at that sat.

I recorded 1 show - but it seems to record full of artifacts (when I stream to a PC). Does anybody have ESXi experience with USB performance? Could I be in problems here, or should it be doable??

The next few days this server will be banned (since it was in the living room floor - and it is a 1U rack server that is NOISY)... But now the wife is back, so I suspect it needs to go in to the server room rack before further playing..


-Tony

i mean Remote desktop so i can access it like i was at the core itself

I believe your question was understood - and the answer was correct. There is something strange in your request. When it is a core, all you would ever need to control it is ssh and the web-interface. The only thing you could do more than that by seeing the core's own screen would be to watch media... But then you are using it as a hybrid, and that you would do in a living area, right?

Could you explain why you would like to "be next to it" - which kinds of "commands" do you believe only can be given directly at the console? Perhaps it is just a small misunderstanding that could help you to use the system more efficiently..

-Tony

i do not know of anyone that has made it work in vmware, but it has been known to work in virtualbox.
it needs to be the dhcp server if you want the network plug and play stuff to work and if you want to run media directors. which means you need at least two physical networks on the vm host as well.

I have installed - and working - both 8.10 and 10.04 in VMWare server 2.0.2 (think it is .0.2)... Working very smooth. I install with 1 bridged card (for external), and 1 host-only card (for internal). You can then deactivate the LMCE firewall... Then when everything is working and stable you can deactivate your current dhcp, and then also make the internal card bridged... It will of course mean changing your current fixed IP mappings - and that everything from the inside will be NATed trough LMCE..

This for me is not the optimal any more, I will soon install on iron, and then have dual internal networks, one for LMCE and one for the rest - and with the LMCE firewall off. But the dual network is not the primary reason for my changes, it is actually to support PCI cards (and USB 2.0, which is not on my current server - since it is old, but has 12 Gigs of RAM and runs "the rest").

-Tony

You just described me in 8 simple sentences, you stupid lego-eater.

Lego-eater... So strange what you associate a nationality with... Could have been H.C. Andersen (and the little Mermaid), Tivoli, B&O (which is a dinosaur productline/brand), Wind Power (which incidentally is my game - We are world leaders here), Carlsberg (also my game, in a different way), Bacon - or Lego... Funny thing is that I actually (through a shared interest in Arabian horses) knows some of the billionaire (not in play money....) Lego owning family.

Where are you from, rabbit-eater?? 

Your reply was useless, too.  Mocking inexperienced users has got to be the single best way to destroy the LinuxMCE community.  Keep it up and watch the damned project crash and burn because its users are all going to flock to XBMC, if they haven't already started to, if this type of shit keeps up.

Peace dude... and calm 

There's caring mocking and evil mocking - sometimes in writing telling the difference is impossible...
btw: users get attracted or is put off by a number of reasons, the tone on the main board is in my opinion actually quite important to keep people on board - we should be nice and polite - but at the same time there should be "rummelighed" (a danish word not easily translateable to any language, googles best shot is spaciousness - but it all about sentiment), thus leaving room for all kinds of behaviour/people:

1. Those that has poor language skills like myself.
2. Those taht spel por
2. Those that can't count.
3. Those that ask silly questions.
4. Those that gives silly answers.
5. Those that use sarcasm.
6. Those that are put off by sarcasm.
7. Those that needs to blow out steam.
8. Those that gives long boring answers to something that is water under the bridge, and do so in the shape of lists....

I hope you get my point - actually my own moral standard only allows me to mock those I believe to be strong/knowledgeable... Meaning it's a weird display of respect. But that's just me. There where, I am sure, no intent to put you down or annoy - just to also throw in a bit of relaxed comments. Posde does this from time to time

I hope you got the frustration out - and feel motivated to continue working with this "waste of time" and "butt f****** ugly" system  I for one loves the challenge and the possibilities.

-Tony

A question gets asked. A detailed answer provided. Answer doesn't fit. Ask again. Interesting.

Ha Ha - good one.

I'd have to say I believe that 40Gb should suffice, granted you can live with purging caches and running out of space frequently...

-Tony

[big]

I've been away for a bit. I tried before leaving and today a bit, but got the same result. I currently only have one of the quattro's installed/connected to the multiswitch. What is strange is I can choose no DISEqC, or DISEqC Pos1 or 2, and still get my channels. Looking at the multiswitch it should be pos 1. Maybe it's not picky if there's only one quattro installed, I don't know.

Would be very surprised if the switch wasn't picky with only one LNB attached... When you get a lock either way, it tells me the that the DISEqC is not picked up (well, sent out) correctly... But again, try looking at the working setup from one of the regular receivers - how is DISEqC configured here? Where is it "you can choose no DISEqC, or DISEqC Pos1 or 2, and still get my channels."?? Is that on a regular sat box? Have you had it working with both LNBs installed at any point?

In the myth-tv setup I have tried exactly what you wrote, both Pos 1 and Pos 2, no luck. I also tried without a switch and just an LNB in the configuration and that actually locks on (which I don't in DISEqC mode) to some of the transponders, however no channels are found. The transponders give channels on the normal satellite receivers/boxes.

The Switch (the DISEqC part of it) probably just defaults to Pos1 when no commands are received - which is nice for now. I recommend ignoring DISEqC until you have the card working. When you write that you get lock "to some of the transponders" that really is a tell tale sign for me that the driver isn't working!
I assume your are running 10.04 with a 2.6.32 kernel. Your card have had drivers included in the kernel since 2.6.28 - but they are buggy... Please take a look at this link for hints to a solution: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-4000

I have tested one of the HVR-4000 on my Windows machine. It can get both the DVB-T and the DVB-S channels meaning that card is functional. So I think the cards don't install properly under LinuxMCE. They get listed under the MythTV-setup but something obviously goes wrong. The DVB-T part doesn't work either, but then again it didn't work under 8.10 when DVB-S did - so that might not say much.

You should be aware that due to limitations of the card Myth (or any system) can not use DVB-S and DVB-T simultaneously. Not a problem on a desktop setup, but for a server setup like Myth this limitation is important.. And I am quite sure that Myth will not "release" the DVB-S lock to allow using it as a DVB-T tuner when not requiring DVB-S... The problem is that for Myth there is no conflict, since these 2 tuners are on different adapters. (Adapter 0 should be DVB-S and adapter 1 DVB-T, if I remember correct?)

I at least can't see any other possibility for now and I don't have any other type of DVB-S card (only a DVB-T one) in order to test this theory. I guess my options now are getting hold of another DVB-S card or figuring out what can be wrong with the HVR-4000 installation. I have no experience but maybe it's be the firmware? I could sell the HVR-4000 and get something else but they're nice cards if you can receive DVB-T/S/S2 channels.

Have a stab at rectifying the driver issues
Or consider it this way - these cards are mostly nice in a single user setup, so for Myth you could do with any other DVB-S2 or DVB-T card, or a mix of them, and then allow your household to have direct sat feed (or DVB-T) to their windows desktops through the HVR-4000 cards.. Even if it would be redundant if you get your Myth setup working, but that's beside the point 

As for the T90, you're absolutely correct ^^ Just having 1-2 LNB's on it is a bit of a waste but $200 for skipping cable-TV (for about a dozen TVs) and having the flexibility to expand isn't so expensive. I was going to get Thor 5-6 for the Swedish channels but I was unaware they displaced the "nordic" beam more towards the north, so I'm unable to get it in Switzerland (where I live).

Anyway, a big thanks for the help and making sure I'm on the right road.

You are very welcome - I still hope you manage to get it working
I have the T90 myself, and living in Denmark means I never have to concern which of the beams I am trying to catch for the Nordic providers - although I am also able to get SkyUK Freesat on the same dish - even if this beam is supposedly focused very much on UK.
I would argue that you should be able (with luck and fine tuning) to catch the Thor Nordic beam on a T90 - but the thing with these beams is that they are not decreasing linearly in strength when you move out of their focus area... So somebody 50 Km from you might see very different results (better or worse). Anyway, I believe more than half of both Canal Digital and Viasat is on beams, that should be very possible to catch for you... You would need to tinker with decoding anyway, so lets get you a stable Myth before going down this route

-Tony

You can just put them to sleep. Go into Media Director in the admin page, set the PowerOff mode to S instead of H.  My P4 MD wakes up in 10 seconds.

Good to know, Aviator. Once my system is stable   I will try that to speed things up and see if I can get an idea of the comparative power consumption... presumably, even asleep, they draw some juice.

Juice in "Suspend-to-RAM" is perhaps a bit over the top.. It should not use much... But please be warned - this is not something that is known to "just work"...

I'm going to borrow a cross-over cable from work today and time my MD boottimes via the network (with the hound-dog-slow hub) and direct nic to nic connection to see just how much of an impact the network speed is having.... should be interesting and if it comes out dramatic will light a fire under me to order the gig switch.

Really looking forward to this one  
(I would guess around 150 secs but could be surprised... Would think the limiting factor could be the rotation speed of your core HDD, which would never be a problem for recording/streaming large media files)

-Tony

I'm surprised this thread has not seen much activity- have searched but perhaps missed something.

I'm still in the early stages of setup and I repeat rule #1 every morning ;-)

My only MD at the moment is my work notebook - an HP6710b.
CPU: Intel Core™2 Duo Processor T7500 @ 2.2Ghz
RAM: 2Gb

Before I broke it (turning on bluetooth from admin website?), I timed it at

netbooting in 500s - 8min20s. Very slow.

I don't know if the speed is to do with the fact that it may still have been setting up/installing a few things or if it is just the slow network - 10/100 hub as the bottleneck. When It's stabilised, I'll try plugging it directly into the core NIC2 with a cross-over cable to test the difference before I splash out on my Gig switch.

I would think netboot times would be of interest- do most people leave most of their MDs on all the time or do they start them as required? I guess if it's around 2min it's ok - but at 8+ min that baby had better be left running!

I tend to leave mine on.. You should see great improvements in boot times when switching to your new infrastructure. Actually since you are using a hub you have something comparable to WiFi 54Mbit... And even an upgrade to 100 Mbits switched network should yield quite some improvements - and with the relatively fast processor on your current MD Gbit network would also improve things.

Mine is an Atom MD - thus booting is quite slow!
The upside is, that even when blocking the vents in its small case it gets REALLY hot, but runs very stable (probably with decreased life span), even with full load for hours - so I can turn down the fans to minimum when idling..

BUT: I would really prefer that "Suspend to RAM" got way better implemented! I never got mine to work doing S3 - this is under 8.10, and I am switching to 10.04 very soon (2 weeks time, since I get a new server)..
Can anybody with 10.04 experience inform if S3 is working now??

Personally I do not find 2 min. booting to be OK. Something on the 20+ sec. is what I can live with, that equals the time for the projector (I don't own a TV) to get to full brightness.

-Tony

l3mce has an Internet connection using a Hayes 2400bd modem...

But through tweaking and tuning he got it up to 2460bd