I think it would require both displays to watch one of them. The other would function normally.

And possibly a blaster to switch inputs on whatever your sound system uses... unless it has rs232.


Basically I think you would have to use one as an orbiter to control the other. So, if your core is the projector, md the tv... if your uirt was on the md, the tv would have to be on (at least for a time) to use the orbiter to control the projector. I don't think that is the answer you are looking for. You are asking if the control can be shared... and I want to say the answer is no because I can't think of a way to switch without creating a scenario where you can end up losing control with the controller.

I think the answer is an orbiter... With that much tech in one room... should be able to rig something nice and cheap.

I would not go so far as to call it brilliant, but as a long term goal it's important.  If I'm not mistaken, it's also in the plan.

If you honestly believe it to be the plan, then why bother to suggest it? This would be the sort of thing I refer to as disingenuous. Your OP simply says "Ground up re-architect the back end, or steal it, because the license sucks. Redesign the front end with a more attractive, but not necessarily pretty, UI that I find more intuitive. I love the system, but if you would just trash it and start over, I might find it worthy to use without contribution."

Kind of like me saying "If your wife was prettier, and a different race, I'd bang her."

Agreed, but the prevailing attitude, which you have perpetuated here in this thread, is the opinions of users don't matter.  Only those that contribute an arbitrary "enough" should be allowed to comment.

Let's shoot for an arbitrary "anything". I agree, however, that my opinion is equally useless as an end user who has contributed nothing to date. I think the prevailing attitude here is more along the lines of "I work my ass off and all people do is complain. Why spend xx hours a day helping you, for you to switch and call my work 'ugly' and 'not intuitive'."

Perhaps you should grow thicker skin.  Suggesting improvements or pointing out deficiencies should not be taken as insults.  Without your input this thread would have been far less negative.

It doesn't offend me... I was just trying to explain why it was offensive. If you still do not understand, I doubt I am going to be able to make it clearer to you. Without my input, this thread would have been less negative to you.

With that I will give you the last word... at least I will try.

It's not a question of her being able to, she can.  LinuxMCE adds an extra layer on top.  LinuxMCE -> MythTV (dumps you into live tv) -> back out to the MythTV menu (different look and feel from LinuxMCE main menu).  From there it's the same.  That was just one random example, but clearly you are living in denial so you just be happy with yourself.

Speaking of reading comprehension... my suggestion was that she use a $10 remote. I even made a picture for you.

Reading comprehension owns you.  Most everyone agrees LinuxMCE would benefit form a face-lift.  That doesn't mean eye-candy.  I switched to MythTV because it's the option my wife likes better. 

So... because I am slow... maybe you can help me along with this... I take face lift to imply an improvement of appearance. I take eye candy to imply visually appealing features. Can you reconcile these for me so that they produce a different logical conclusion? Use small words.

I'm fine with LinuxMCE, the wife thinks other options are easier to use and look nicer.

I again do not seem to grasp why pushing the button is harder than navigating a different OSD with the same number of clicks. I get your point... the overall media interface is easier to navigate. That is because media is all you can do with it... see this all seems obvious... and I don't really get a valid point from you other than a "prettier but dumb" interface would draw more attention... but the point of this project, unlike any other I am aware of, is that this media interacts with your entire house. An event triggers a response. The magnitude and flexibility of the system, which you seem to think "does too much", does precisely what it is desired to do. I would relate your disparaging position, which is insulting to contributors, to trading your car in for a GPS, because the interface is more intuitive than the one in your car was. I find that regardless of your intent, the end result of your post is only going to be demoralizing and seen as ungrateful in the eyes of the readers you are intending, evidently, to send a "wake up call" to. You don't seem to know what you are talking about... and attacking me for not understanding your "feelings".

Don't confuse suggestions with criticism.  The amount of contribution one makes has no bearing on the validity of a suggestion.  Sure, it carries more weight if a main dev suggests something, but that doesn't in and of itself make it more valid.

Again, it is weightless to the intended reader. They need help, you don't help, then "suggest" they:
*rip out, rewrite, or otherwise get away from any proprietary code.  LinuxMCE needs FOSS programmers, some FOSS programmers may shy away from a project built from and still limited by non-free licensing, even if it's just some areas.

Drop pluto. Brilliant. I mean... I just don't even know how to address that. You seem to basically want mythbuntu with a couple of the "features" of lmce.

*stop chasing away potential users and developers.  Rude belittling posts do nothing but hurt the project. 

Not a criticism obviously... just a suggestion eh? I don't like the way Thom talks to me either... but until he says something that is INCORRECT in a condescending way... he is kind enough to waste his time explaining things to me. His frustrations are logical and blunt. I prefer people that way. It's honest... grow a thicker skin.

*listen to the users.  If a question or complaint comes up often, there is a reason. 

Implies they do not. My limited comprehension reading this board has led me to a very different conclusion. The board itself exists for that function.

I am not going to go line by line anymore. I see that you are naively unaware that the post is insulting. At this point I am fueling something negative here, bumping the post. I wish you luck... and more dimension.

l3mce - I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over how much easier one product is than another.  I'm fine with LinuxMCE, the wife thinks other options are easier to use and look nicer.  End of discussion.  Clearly you have issues with reading comprehension as well, but thank you for taking the time to search through my older posts and quote one that supports what I am saying in this thread. 

It is the same product. Scheduling functions the same way because it is the same interface. There is no discussion to be had. If your wife cannot, after a single explanation, "work it"... I do not see how that would change.

Your quoted post, while still whining that it isn't good enough, is in contrast to what you are saying now, and supported by your decision to move to the "eye candy" option you did not think LMCE should go.

What did you expect this thread to accomplish? That everyone would drop the current product and re-engineer it to suit you so you will come back? Seriously? If you want a feature, make it. If you want to criticize it, you might want to contribute first to lend your opinion weight. My opinion has no weight... that is why I bother talking to you about this. It is not your place, nor mine, to complain about what "I think it should do" or state the obvious as if it is a revelation. There is nothing of merit in your contradictory posts, and this thread serves no purpose but to offend... my reading comprehension not withstanding.

[I'm not saying LinuxMCE should go the way of MythTV]

I agree, and disagree.  I'm not saying LinuxMCE should go the way of MythTV, but the whole UI gently overlaid is certainly not true either.  I really like the way the main menu doesn't block the other stuff when media is playing, but go into the video menu, or audio, etc. and it blocks everything (or blends with the background). 


If you want coverart and enough movies per screen it kinda has to. 

Start a movie that you were previously watching and the entire screen is covered while asking to continue or not.  There are plenty of places where LinuxMCE blocks whatever on-screen media is playing, some make perfect sense while others do not.  While I agree that trying to copy MythTV or any of the other eye-candy UIs is not the way LinuxMCE should go, I do think there are a few areas where using at least the bulk of the screen makes sense.  Possibly scaling the media to a PIP type box. 

Just to be clear, I like the way LinuxMCE works.  I still only use it for media, no HA stuff yet, and I'm still using LinuxMCe with no plans to switch.  I'm also happy to hear you are working on re-writing the orbiter. 

My how a few weeks changes things...

Typical responses.  My second point in fact - rude belittling posts hidden behind a a thin veil of sarcasm.

Hand a guest in your home who has never seen LinuxMCE a remote and tell them to set a program to record any time it comes on.

Choose an upcoming show (with the arrow keys). Press "ok" and record whatever scheme you want (again using those pesky arrow keys).


That is also a function of myth. Aren't you now on mythbuntu?

Splain to me how it is better. How is the scheduled recording different? How has it become easier for your wife? Because you have a big button on the tv which takes you to the same place?
 
I am not associated with lmce. I just found your "this isn't a lmce sucks thread but this is why lmce sucks" not only disingenuous, but a labor of the obvious or just painfully myopic. Literally my eye hurt after reading your suggestions. I have a headache in my eye now. If this wisdom is the culmination of your 3 years of experience... well... there you go.

I am sorry somewhere down the line Thom hurt your feelings. Perhaps you are a little to gentle to be on the internet just yet.

You should have gotten her a remote with idiot buttons, as navigating the "Media" menu has proven too difficult for her.

"When you ground up re-architect the project and make it look like an Iphone I might use it again for free sometime."

Gosh. I bet they are really looking forward to that.

Hi All,

Having a few issues after the 0.23 update - wondering if anyone can help.

I can watch live TV, but only for a minute or two. After that it crashes to the error "video frame buffering failed too many times".

Using a HDhomerun on a Hybrid. Was working fine until the upgrade from 0.22 to 0.23.

I tried deleting and reading the cards, rescanning channels just in case (100% signal btw). Reload/Reboot. No change.

Checked the mythtv backend logs and see this error a lot, assuming it might be the cause?

Code:

2010-05-28 23:47:02.143 MainServer::HandleVersion - Client speaks protocol version 56 but we speak 50!

Does this means I have some backend/front end mismatch?

I dumped a few more lines in pastebin if this makes sense to anyone:
http://pastebin.com/R0wYpxEr

Any ideas?

Cheers,
WR

I had this error when I was screwing around with things I shouldn't, and it was due to me telling LMCE not to use sda1. Evidently it is very particular about where it records. It looks like your issue is different, but thought I would throw it out there. Could watch tv for a minute, then it would throw that error. I am also using the hdhomerun.

So long as the switch is plugged into the "internet" or "wan" input on the wireless ap, it can keep DHCP on. If you are just plugging the switch into the network ports of the AP, you will have to turn off DHCP and set its ip to 192.168.80.xxx. The core will then handle DHCP for devices connected to it.

The device manufacturer claims it to have a single tuner.
http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun_t1_atsc
LMCE finds a second tuner. That second tuner is not capable of grabbing signal, as it is not a valid tuner. Whatever it is that LMCE/Myth and even the SiliconDust winblows software finds and calls tuner 1, it also finds on other single tuner cards. I don't really understand the hardware at all which I am sure would reveal the nature of this phantom tuner. The only difference between all of these in myth, is that the snapshots which include myth .23, prioritizes the tuner that does not exist, and without making that change, will not let you delete it.

Hope that is clearer.

I have an HDHomeRun (HDHR t1 us), and this device only has one usable tuner, though LMCE detects 2. I presume the second is some sort of fake to allow recording one thing and watching another. I have a couple of crap cards that do the same thing, though I know there is only one usable tuner. Snapshot 22982 (or later) with the MythTV .23 shoehorn prioritizes the fake tuner and will not access the correct one before crashing. Deleting the tuners and redefining the single usable tuner gets overwritten as soon as the changes are applied (presumably after mythfilldatabase is run).

In order to prevent this, or more accurately allow your changes in MythTV Setup to be applied and not overwritten, in the web admin drop to device tree/Core/DCERouter/Myth TV Plugin. Towards the bottom of the page is a checkbox which says "Dont autoconfigure"

Then delete all, define card/input, and when it says mythtv is ready... it is. I am sure many of you are already aware of that checkbox... but it cost me almost 2 days... so naturally I think it's discovery is like finding Atlantis. Hope this helps someone having troubles.

Nice work!!

When I copy .id3 tags into the directory which holds the media, they populate the grid.

The router has NAT enabled. disable that, and you should be clear... however the routers firewall is tied up in the NAT... not a huge deal if you are firewalled before hitting eth0.

http://www.netopia.com/support/hardware/technotes/CQG_015.html

I found a handful of reviews which support his assessment. Suspend also has some sort of problem which tends to lock in linux too.