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Developers / Re: Findings while working on alternative install DVD...
« on: February 28, 2011, 03:42:32 am »


Users / Re: Video Pipe question
« on: February 28, 2011, 03:36:54 am »
Hey Matt,

If you turn off the HDMI CEC control features of the receiver and television it should prevent this extra switching from happening.


Developers / Re: Findings while working on alternative install DVD...
« on: February 27, 2011, 11:56:17 pm »
The fonts package is a dependency for Orbiter at least and CheckDependencies will install it if it hasn't been already.  This would have to be worked in as an upstream change in the system itself, as would any package alterations, otherwise the system will just re-install them automatically.


Developers / Re: Findings while working on alternative install DVD...
« on: February 26, 2011, 06:40:44 pm »
The live DVD does need attention and I think it is great that you're looking into it!

Some of the packages you can probably deal with as you are suggesting, pre-present the agreement to the user to agree too.  Some of the licences (the msttcorefonts package for example) prohibit distribution except in their original format.

Two possibilities:
1)  Don't pre-install the packages on the DVD.  Each time the DVD boots into the live environment any required packages would need to be installed.  This is what the current installer does, and why the installation is not completed in the pre-installed DVD live environment.  This would require an internet connection.

2) Create a script that would pre-fectch any required packages with licencing issues (seperate from the livedvd/installer) and say... copy the files to a USB stick.  Then you could allow the user to provide the packages (or required files from the packages) on this USB stick during the live boot/install process.  This way the package licences are not violated by distributing them and simple script can be used by the user to fetch all the files.  This is not ideal, but the only way I have thought of meeting the licence requirements and not requiring an internet connection for install.

Just my thoughts, I'd looked at this a little once before.  Keep up the great work!


Developers / Re: Findings while working on alternative install DVD...
« on: February 26, 2011, 03:54:40 pm »
Be careful of licencing issues.  Many packages that are used by LMCE cannot legally be distributed through any medium but an internet connection.  One of these is the MS Core Fonts that cannot be installed or packaged onto any other medium.  These fonts are used by Orbiter, which essentially means any distribution using orbiter must have an internet connection to install fonts before orbiter is launched.  This would include LMCE, PadOrbiter, etc...  Any medibuntu packages also cannot be distributed through the CD or DVD as they often contain code/patented routines that cannot be legally used in many countries without paying for them.  These are the primary reasons that the DVD install still needs an internet connection.


Users / Re: Multi-room Audio - a tad confused
« on: February 21, 2011, 04:15:59 pm »
Thanks posde and totallymaxed!


Users / Re: Multi-room Audio - a tad confused
« on: February 21, 2011, 08:35:37 am »
Each media player needs a dedicated "room".

posde, as it is a little confusing, and I don't think I fully understand, could you (or someone else) provide a brief description of how an 'EA' (Entertainment Area) and a 'Room' are similar/different.  I've always thought I could create more than one EA for a Room (say MD and standalone squeezebox).  But to have proper integration I've always had to create a new 'Room' for each media player (MD, squeezebox, etc.).  I don't want to hi-jack the thread (happy if this has to go to a new one) but I've wondered.



Users / Re: Pad Orbiter and WPA2
« on: February 21, 2011, 08:26:42 am »
Great stuff Josh!  Thanks for posting a howto!


Installation issues / Re: realtek 8168 driver issue
« on: February 20, 2011, 07:40:38 pm »
Dan, great to hear it's working!!  Congratulations!

The best piece of advice I can give you now is to put the .ko file(s) aside in case you ever need to do a re-install, I keep them on a usb stick so they're easy to copy over without networking.

You can put your 2nd NIC in, verify it's working, and continue on with the LMCE install now!

Have fun!!


Installation issues / Re: realtek 8168 driver issue
« on: February 19, 2011, 04:25:44 pm »
You need to blacklist 'r8169' not '8169'.  Once properly blacklisted you should not be see the r8169 driver loading at boot.  Blacklisting only prevents the driver from being loaded on boot, it doesn't remove it from the currently running kernel, rmmod does that.  If you blacklist the driver, build the new initramfs and reboot then then driver should not load.  If it does it is not blacklisted properly.

You may need to run the command 'depmod' after installing the new driver files, before modprobe.  If modprobe can't load the r8168 driver then nothing will, this is the place you should concentrate on getting to work.

dmesg shows all device and driver notifications since boot so the r8169 will show in dmesg if it loaded during boot.  rmmod will remove the driver from the kernel but dmesg still shows the messages from when it loaded on boot.

At this point it is not using new r8168 driver and the file size on the r8169 looks like the original file.  At any time you should be able to 'rmmod r8169' and then 'modprobe r8168', until this works the kernel is unable to find your driver.

Change the blacklist entry and could you run 'uname -r' by itself at the command line.  This will tell us which kernel you are running.  The update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r` would update the initramfs for the currently running kernel only, rather than all kernels on your system, I'm concerned that this didn't work.


Installation issues / Re: realtek 8168 driver issue
« on: February 19, 2011, 05:43:30 am »
Well, your NIC is exactly the same pci id as mine if we properly install the net drivers this should all work.

Your output for 'lshw -C Network' is the same both times and shows the 8169 driver is being used.  Your dmesg output also shows the 8169 driver being loaded.  You system is still trying to use the 8169 driver, if my updated driver was in place it shouldn't do this.   I have not blacklisted the 8169 on my machine, I altered it and removed the 8111's pci id so it wouldn't match and therefor not load.  I could just as easily blacklist it though.

Lets specifically unload the 8169 driver and manually load the 8168 driver in it's place. 
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rmmod r8169
modprobe r8168

Run 'lsmod' or 'lsmod | grep r816' to see if the 8168 or 8169 drivers are loaded.  If the 8168 is loaded then re-run all the previous commands to see if the 8168 driver is working.  If you don't have success then you can try rebuilding your initramfs and reboot your machine. 

You may want to try blacklisting the 8169 driver at this point. 
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echo "blacklist 8169" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist

Then, type 'cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist' to display the file on your text console and make sure the 'blacklist r8169' line shows at the end of the file.  Then rebuild your initramfs.
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update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`

These changes only occur on reboot so... Reboot and re-run the earlier tests.  If you're using the driver I provided then this should work.  Good luck and let me know how it goes!


Installation issues / Re: realtek 8168 driver issue
« on: February 18, 2011, 09:57:40 pm »
If you open the driver files with nano and save them when you exit you could alter the driver so it doesn't function.  Don't open the .ko files with nano.  nano is for editing text files only.

This is from mine:

lshw -C Network

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       description: Ethernet interface
       product: RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller
       vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
       physical id: 0
       bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
       logical name: eth0
       version: 06
       serial: e0:cb:4e:ce:ce:28
       size: 1GB/s
       capacity: 1GB/s
       width: 64 bits
       clock: 33MHz
       capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
       configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8168 driverversion=8.019.00-NAPI duplex=full ip= latency=0 link=yes module=r8168 multicast=yes port=twisted pair speed=1GB/s

Hmm, it looks like it's not associating your card with the driver, notice the driver= and module= parameters in configuration on mine.   Notice my version is 06.  Can you post the output of 'lspci -nn' (two n's) and 'dmesg | grep -i eth'.


Marketplace / Re: WebDT 366s - Brand new still in the box. ** $75.00**
« on: February 18, 2011, 06:53:54 pm »
Fwiw, I bought two units from Ted.   Neither unit will boot/recognize the USB port on it's side.  Specifically, when I plug in a bootable USB drive and turn it on, neither unit will boot from the USB drive.  They both go to a blue screen, then back to black and give the error "Attempting to boot a Hard Drive...  Invalid system disk   Replace the disk, and then press any key."  Also, on one of the units, the first 2 of the 3 lights do not light up at first boot.  I do have a third WebDT 366 (a GX, not purchased from Ted) that has no issues booting from my bootable USB drive, so I know that the USB drive is okay. 

Have you gone into the BIOS and set the boot order to boot from the USB?  None of my units booted straight off the USB they were all set to boot from the internal flash HDD on arrival.

I also had one unit that the BIOS was set to output through some non-existent video device.  Result was nothing but a black screen.  I read a little on and was able to hit the proper keys at the proper times to set BIOS back to defaults so it would show me a display again.  After this I entered BIOS and configured it for USB boot, no problems since.


Marketplace / Re: WebDT 366s - Brand new still in the box. ** $75.00**
« on: February 18, 2011, 06:49:28 pm »

a real orbiter (as the PadOrbiter running on the WebDTs) is much nicer than a Touch Orbiter.

My .02€

A very good point.


Installation issues / Re: realtek 8168 driver issue
« on: February 18, 2011, 06:42:57 pm »
Most commands followed by '--help' will show you all the usage methods.  man is your friend as well it will show you 'Manual' pages relating to the command/software you specify.

What is the result of the 'dhclient' command?

Do you have a dhcp server active on your router to provide an IP?  I assume you can connect other devices and they receive an IP address properly.

Have you tried setting a static IP (on your local subnet) through kubuntu?


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