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Feature requests & roadmap / Re: linuxmce hardware database
« on: December 12, 2007, 05:29:21 pm »

so what really makes me angry is not your questioning or ignoring documentation. Its taking something for a promise whats really hard work for other people they do for free.


Developers / Re: DLNA Support?
« on: December 12, 2007, 05:22:26 pm »
And it's hard to believe that you're "sorry", when you continued to attack me elsewhere for just asking about status.
so this is no attack. You simply ignore facts and documentation (, You don't care to research and simply spam in the developers forum. Do you think some big map or documentation fell onto our head? We are in the code and document our progress.

So, please with sugar and cherry on top: if you want to get involved start with _anything_ now. Maybe you want to do a schema map of the pluto_main database with dia, visio or such? (please, please please?)
So you can say then: i did some of the documentation instead of simply wheening for it. I have no problem researching the upnp stuff in the codebase for you, but you have to involve, too. And asking for things that are documented is not really helpful.


Feature requests & roadmap / Re: linuxmce hardware database
« on: December 12, 2007, 04:13:56 pm »
Not exactly the same, but is the distributed database of GSD interfaces described as supported in "A new concept in collaborative development" actually up and running at all like it's promised?
who promised you what?

I thought you were reading the developer forums (at least you post there)? We are spending much effort into getting this running and documenting the process. There was a call for testers, too.

I wish you would realize that it is hard work to enable features for users. I have no problem spending evenings and weekends to improve our all experience with LMCE, but your redundant posts ignoring the information in the forum and wiki does not help here.


Developers / Re: DLNA Support?
« on: December 12, 2007, 03:47:46 pm »
Not really. I never offered to do anything.
sorry, i had the impression you wanted to get involved with developement
The other specific request that you came up with was that I extend Net::UPnP to support control points, which it already does.
not for AV control

Developers / Re: Appliance vs Package vs Distro
« on: December 12, 2007, 01:23:53 am »
Agreed Nari. Thats why i have also been focusing efforts on Debian Etch. I hope to have something approaching functional by the end of Jan 2008.
so what are your milestones?
btw, DCERouter runs fine, too

Developers / Re: DLNA Support?
« on: December 12, 2007, 01:22:54 am »
Thanks for the pointer. Though UPNP isn't quite DLNA, and evidently LMCE UPNP isn't quite UPNP, though it does seem to support control points. I have asked someone with superior UPNP experience, who seems to be working on that feature in LMCE, to go for full DLNA support.
you mean RonInSd: "3) Upgrade the UPnP services to support the RemoteUI part of UPnP.  I am still doing some research into the UPnP RemoteUI specs.  I know that some of the newer Media Extenders have some support for UPnP RemoteUI. "? Circular reference?
OK, done ;).
ok, let me get things straight for you:
1.) the control point in libupnp (the intel library) does only support listing media
2.) Net::UPnP uses libupnp
3.) we need a media controller
4.) please read first

all clear?


Developers / Re: Appliance vs Package vs Distro
« on: December 12, 2007, 12:16:45 am »
i compiled the common libs (RA,DCECommon,Serialize,pluto_main) and some binaries (MakeRelease,MakeRelease_PrepFiles,sqlCVS) on debian etch to give this thread some content. OpenBSD comes next. This would be the first step on any distribution. Until somebody is willing to do the same on <insert your favorite os here>, please stop spamming the developers forum with feature requests.

It's not like there is some budget and have to discuss how to spend it. Until some of you wants to dedicate effort this won't be done. And i tell you what: you could use the binaries on an appliance, as a package or without (does tar count as a package format?), on some distros. But if you won't compile it for your target, it is senseless to discuss about packaging or distribution.

best regards,

Developers / Re: DLNA Support?
« on: December 12, 2007, 12:03:30 am »
search the forums, eg:

search the code:

you are a perl expert. Please extend Net::UPnP to include control point functionality.

best regards, Hari

Developers / Re: bluray and hddvd playback
« on: December 11, 2007, 01:24:49 am »
which parts did they say are broken? everyone can find something wrong with everything....everythings always broken to someone. punt?
it's broken for not using SDI-HD (SMPTE 292M) but that intel DVI/TDMS crap with CEC and HDCP.
But it's sad that you are probably right with the primetime..

best regards,

Developers / Re: bluray and hddvd playback
« on: December 11, 2007, 12:20:40 am »
$25 bucks for 10m of cable isnt so bad.
to much for a dumb twisted pair with bad connectors if you ask.. and thats a very good price..
look what they cost at consumer stores..
A 480P blu ray? uhh....have you seriously seen one?
yes, twice (ok, that were old movies, but you get the point)
too few see differences?
most of them even don't get the aspect ratio right
do you know how many people use the "office xp operating system"?  ;D how many "primetime" people will use repeaters or switchers? the stupidity of the average consumer will astound for millenia to come. that doesnt mean it wont be ready for primetime. primetime is just the people who accept using something they dont understand and are unable to use to its full potential and the rest of us.
So im there with PS3, Denon Upscaling DVD, Samsung M86, Marantz SR with built in HDMI switch and progressive conversion, spatz hdmimax repeater (forget purelink), Matrix Monitor S1 HDMI cable, different brands of other cable. Had pink screen, no screen, hdcp issues, drop outs, firmware updates and endless hours debugging.
I'm a geek and i have spoken to some integrators and hifi dealers. This stuff is terribly broken. At least for home installations. Of course it looks great when you hook a ps3 up to the Samsung. But many other situations are really _not consumer friendly_ and therefore that crap is not primetime ready yet.
And when you spend more for the cable and the repeater on a 10m link than for the player device itself, man thats broken. punt.

Developers / Re: bluray and hddvd playback
« on: December 10, 2007, 11:43:18 pm »
Sorry guys! I did not mean to be rude to anyone. just asking questions and giving opinions. did not intend to be insulted either.
Can't we all calm down and get useful discussion here?

So my simple question is: is there any chance in the foreseeable future that HDDVD/Blu Ray be supported by LMCE? My understanding from this thread is no.
Am I wrong?
there are some posts in the forum that say there will be HD-DVD/Blu Ray support in 0710 (with the help of mplayer). But i assume it will only work for unencrypted or "cracked" (leaked keys) discs.
You could also connect a HD Player (changer) to lmce and control it via rs232 or ir.
The Via based MD's with special drivers support 1080i with really low power usage. Time will fix underpowered hardware. And that HD stuff is not ready for the prime time. Too few see differences, too many bad hardware (i say only 24p), expensive and bad cabling (look what you pay for 10m hdmi or for active repeaters, switchers, ...), expensive content (35€ for 480p Blu Rays [laugh])..

time will fix..


Developers / Re: sqlCVS
« on: December 10, 2007, 11:30:05 pm »
big progress for today:

with the patience and help from Zaerc we sorted out some sqlCVS things
these days. We successfully checked in a complete DCE device template
(GSD) with ruby codes from one installation and pulled that from another.

For now we did the following:

Server side:
* imported the *.sqlcvs files from a 0704 installation on the master repo
* cleaned all *psc* tables and fields with the script
* created a fresh repository with sqlcvs-dumps/scripts/
* enabled history with "sqlCVS history-all"
* dumped new *.sqlcvs files with "sqlCVS -r dce,designer,ir,... dump"

Client side:
* dropped ir,designer and dce from the local database of a fresh 0704
installation with the scripts sqlcvs-dumps/scripts/
(./ ir ; ./ dce ; ...)
That erases all psc information and all data for the tables in that repos
* imported the new *.sqlcvs files (sqlcvs-dumps/0704-new) with "sqlCVS
-r dce,designer,ir import"
* added the D-LinkDCS-5300G on one side and did a checkin with "nopass"
(-a has to be used for dce, FK_Users_Maintainer references Users, that
table is not in the master repo ***)
* approved the batch in the master repo:
* did an update on the other installation
* newly synced device was checked for ruby codes, all there  ;)

so this gives us a newly initialized repo with future history and
synchronized clients. So we can start our own master even if we don't
get the history tables from pluto. We would have to include the new dump
files in a installer build.

I see the number of LMCE devices skyrocketing when we have sqlCVS in

Big thanks (and some promised beers) to Sir Zaerc.

btw, the repo was freshly initialized, it can't be used with a default 0704 install. It's easy sync with the new repo (see mailing list). A more user friendly tutorial will follow the next days in the wiki.

Is there a way to make LMCE automatically control the DCS-5300G to pan across a wide area? Is there a way to use LMCE's motion detection subsystem to use that panned view?
You can save positions and do a move to them fast. There is also a auto guard feature sweeping selected positions.
Maybe by panning around and taking still pix that motion compares, as if each panned position were a different stationary camera. But does the DCS-5300G reposition exactly enough that two passes won't align different enough to trigger motion's detection, even if nothing in the scene has changed?
i would not use a panning cam for motion detection. They are fooled easily. I would use motion detectors and let the camera pan to the triggering sensor to record frames.

best regards,

Developers / Re: bluray and hddvd playback
« on: December 10, 2007, 10:33:01 pm »
This is a developers forum. If you're going to offer only demands (and masked insults), you should stick to posting wish lists in the Feature requests & roadmap forum. People discussing here generally are techies. The ones working for free to make your life better.

full ack, nothing to add.


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