I guess you would want to setup the ADSL-Gateway after eth2, so the VoIP-Stuff gets overwritten with the ADSL-Stuff. Currently I guess it's the other way around.
with 2 dhcp-client-interfaces, the one that is initialized the later is the one providing nameservers and default gateway.

You could manually override and add the ADSL-Gateway's Name-server to /etc/resolv.conf
and do something like "route add default gw 192.168.0.adslrouter"

or make an additional "dhclient eth0/1" after bootup.

see /etc/rc.local for these commands to be executed automatically at the end of the boot-sequence.

Thank for the write up... A lot of interessting stuff...

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And another 10 days...
The month is complete now, I guess...

Sorry for being a pain in the ass, but I'm actually interessted in what happened there.
Communication in FOSS-projects is always a problem, therefor this kind of carelessness should not find there way into the project at all, and especially in this stage getting community processes started.

After all it feels kind of discouraging... And I guess not only for me...

And it just fits into the line of issues
-no public source available in the beginning
-a mantis-bugtracker with ghosts-users fixing issues on ghost-repository, nobody knows about...
-no information about the future of the project
-then the attempts to understand the source from charonmedia-svn
-then a surprising new development-tree from pluto for 0710
-now this is stalled on beta 3 which usually indicate being close to a release, but no information available again

If you really want this project to proceed and attrackt more developers, you should rethink these approaches.

Notice that I use the term "you" instead of "we" by now, as I do not really see, where the control and responsibilities are right now, which is one of the reasons, why I'm so interessted in the minutes.
What happend to all the proposals for OSS-development ? What about the community control of LinuxMCE ? What about pluto's control of LMCE ?

From what I've read in the past, these issues seemed to be the reason why OSS-development of Pluto-Home stalled in the first place. Please learn from that...

Best regards,
Andreas

Just a quick reminder... It's been a week now, and I guess those that could not attend would love to get an insight into the discussion...
At least I do...

I just wanted to ask, if I missed the notes from the discussion or if they are still not posted (aaron, daniel and whoever was there) ?

Just a quick reminder... It's been a week now, and I guess those that could not attend would love to get an insight into the discussion...
At least I do...

When I find the time, I want to setup a (headless) core under xen and give a script for it. This way, developers could easily switch between dev and stable...
By adding a graphiccard to xine, it should be possible to make it a hybrid.
My guess is, that there should not be too many changes necessary.

The point with MDs is, that they rely on net/PXE-Boot. I have not fully understood this. But using the kernel (and maybe an initrd) and just start that up with xen, should lead to that same result.

I'll keep you up-to-date...

I gave it a thought...

Theoretically, you can have 2 independant linux-systems on 1 host by using XEN.
Each systems needs a graphic card. So you could (theoretically) put 2 cards in that host and forward one of those devices to the guest-os entirely.

This way it should be possible to have 2 full MDs on 1 host, using 2 physically different graphic cards.

Best of luck and report your efforts,

Andreas

Actually, I did not have any new input... I just quotet myself from an other thread... No additions made...

But you're right, a link to http://learn.to/quote (German) and it's english version should be in the faq as well...

...snip
is it considered bad etiquette in such a forum to petition help for such an endeavor when the inevitable confusion arises?  i've no idea how such impressive open development works...

.....snip
If you are working and have a certain problem you can post like this:
I want to do this.
To to this I have done that.
I ran into this problem at that point.
Does anyone have any additional ideas ?

If someone does have an idea, he/she will propably help you.

If you only want to make a feature request because you cannot code and do not have the time to learn it, go to the feature-request forum and discribe your idea there.
The feature-request-forum can be seen as an inspiration for developers. So if someone thinks it's a good idea, he/she is going to try it out. But there's no guaratee.
Discussions about the value of a certain feature belongs into the feature-request forum as well.

The difference between open-source and commercial feature request is that the developers decide for themselves if they want to take on a task. In commercial fields it's only the production manager that makes all the decisions sometimes taking finacials into account. in OSS it's more democratic, i guess.

Of course, you can try to find a developer to do the work for you and pay him. Or set a bounty for a certain feature. See the market place for that.

(maybe some delcaration like this should be made a sticky post in the forums: Posting rules or something)

EDIT:  i guess i should elaborate.  what i imagined was playing around with this idea on my machine until i decided it was impossible or until i was successful.  i also assume the task is more difficult than it seems.  is it considered bad etiquette in such a forum to petition help for such an endeavor when the inevitable confusion arises?  i've no idea how such impressive open development works...

First I'd recomment not to edit a posting if you have an additional question... Just answer your own post...

Second: If you are working and have a certain problem you can post like this:
I want to do this.
To to this I have done that.
I ran into this problem at that point.
Does anyone have any additional ideas ?

If someone does have an idea, he/she will propably help you.

If you only want to make a feature request because you cannot code and do not have the time to learn it, go to the feature-request forum and discribe your idea there.
The feature-request-forum can be seen as an inspiration for developers. So if someone thinks it's a good idea, he/she is going to try it out. But there's no guaratee.
Discussions about the value of a certain feature belongs into the feature-request forum as well.

The difference between open-source and commercial feature request is that the developers decide for themselves if they want to take on a task. In commercial fields it's only the production manager that makes all the decisions sometimes taking finacials into account. in OSS it's more democratic, i guess.

Of course, you can try to find a developer to do the work for you and pay him. Or set a bounty for a certain feature. See the market place for that.

(maybe some delcaration like this should be made a sticky post in the forums: Posting rules or something)

You propably want to have a look at these postings:
http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=2713.0
http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=2662.0
http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=2628.0

Seems they did some things to do this. If you want to do it yourself or improve it, it should give you the right entry-points.

Sorry, I accidently added it to LinuxMCE-Project instead of LinuxMCE0710-Project...

Andrew, maybe we should set qualify to 10 or something like this...
It ensures that the phone line is tested every 10 seconds with a sip-options-packet and initiate a re-register, if the line broke down. and it keeps the udp-ports open...
For those of the users without a static ip address or a nat-router, that option is vital...

see: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Asterisk
and: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+sip+qualify

best regards,

chewi

Valid point Chewi. Can you create a separate Mantis please that raises those issues and i will make sure one of the Pluto Devs looks into it next week. Thanks

Done here: http://www.linuxmce.org/mantis/view.php?id=3811

Added Sipgate.de as well with qualify=10 and type=friend in [number]. Don't know if type=user works: http://www.linuxmce.org/mantis/view.php?id=3812

Best regards, Chewi

Hi,

what do other people think of the possibility of an installation-script für a xen based para-virtualized core ?

My vision is that there is an install script that asks for a path for the kernel image as well as for a path for the rootfs and just installs it from the dvd right away.
Maybe even a basic config file for xen.

With the option in xen to forward pci-devices I suppose, tv-cards could be forwarded to that core as well.

And for the developers, you could have a productive- and a testing-image of LMCE and be able to switch easily.
It would be faster than vmware I guess, as it is para-virtualized and I do not know about vmware's abilities to forward pci-devices to a guest.

Does anyone of you know about xen ? I'm still new to it...
Does anyone of you know about the xenbr-bridges especially ? I'm thinking about 2 network segments; 1 for md's and 1 for working pcs... is partitioning of xen virtual interfaces possible ?
Could there be problems with performance especially of mythtv-backend ? DanielK mentioned something about special kernel settings ?

Or has somebody even done all this already ? Could you provide a script for the rest of us then ?

And finally; do you think it is actually worth the work and should that script be shipped with the dvd ?

Best regards, Chewi

//Edit: Typo

Andrew, maybe we should set qualify to 10 or something like this...
It ensures that the phone line is tested every 10 seconds with a sip-options-packet and initiate a re-register, if the line broke down. and it keeps the udp-ports open...
For those of the users without a static ip address or a nat-router, that option is vital...

see: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php?title=Asterisk
and: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+sip+qualify

best regards,

chewi