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&pI'm wondering about the make/model of the Thin Client used in the Google Video.; I am also wondering about other models that are similar that will mount to the back of an LCD monitor in the same way and work with LinuxMCE.


The thin client shown in the video is a Via based unit using a Via C7/CX700M chipset integrated on a Nano-ITX motherboard. Fiire add the proprietary Via Unichrome II Pro graphics drivers to the basic Via box.

We are testing numerous Fanless Via based motherboards - we're focussed mainly on C7 processors coupled with either the CN700 or CX700M graphics engine. Performance with these motherboards is excellent when coupled with either Openchrome drivers or Via's free Unichrome drivers - although in both cases currently you cannot run UI2 as these drivers do not provide all the features neede to support the UI. However under UI1 they work excellent and in fact have some of the best Video performance metrics we have seen (beating Nvidia cards in terms of framerate etc). They also provide a lot of on-board video output options like s-video, DVI, composite etc.



Is it possible to install VDR and related plugins, after installing LinuxMCE - without breaking LinuxMCE - rather being limited to the MythTV package that comes with LinuxMCE?

I saw some threads which had broached this subject, but nothing since LinuxMCE 0704 came out. Anyone have any experience installing VDR after LinuxMCE?

Yes you can install vdr after installing lmce-0704 and it will not break anything and will run standalone fine... but integrating it with lmce's UI/DCErouter etc is not at all straightforward. The current vdr in the lmce-0704 release is a hangover from the Pluto days and as such is 'broken' as the devs have not revisited this part of the system yet.

Users / Re: fiire engine.. is it necessary?
« on: August 25, 2007, 09:59:15 am »
I want to know if the specs for the fiire engine are needed to run a lmce network. Do you really need all of those a/v outputs? I guess I can see if this is your ONLY lmce box, but if you want to REALLY keep the core in a closet somewhere, shouldn't you just need a modest (dual-core?) server box with a good raid setup and 2 lan ports? ..and maybe a couple tuner cards to keep everything centralized.. Obviously I could build a server box with a decent amount of storage for the same price if I could forego the a/v "bells and whistles"

As far as maintenance, I'm guessing that the web interface and/or ssh (or maybe even a normal monitor/keyboard) would suffice..

I can see the merit of the fiire station boxes since you need a decent video card and whatever outputs for audio/video.. but the core should be able to be a "headless" box right?

..or am I just crazy?


We always build our Core's as Hybrid cores (ie they have some ability to deliver the lmce UI locally) even if for the most part the Core will be tucked away in a cupboard - it just makse some maintenance and other task simpler. So we usually use a motherboard with reasonable onboard graphics ie say one of the Intel i945 or i965 boards with 950 or 3000 graphics chips. These are inexpensive enough to not worry about in terms of them only being used now and then and will deliver UI1 perfectly.

Users / Re: Seriously..
« on: August 25, 2007, 09:53:29 am »
I've been reading the forums for the past week and Linux MCE has seriously interested me and I've decided to start building LinuxMCE core with 4 or so thin clients.

Quick Questions:

Can this do Skype?
Can you use a Bluetooth headset for when answering calls?
How do diskless thin clients work (I've been wanting to do something like this for a while and I can't figure it out!)
How should my set up be? (I want a cheap set-up but I also want it to do it flawlessly. I also have a ton of media. Should I put it all on the Hard drive of the core or should I use NAS?)
Can two or more thin clients access the core without interfering with each other? (i.e. one thin client is watching a recorded tv show another is watching a DVD from the Jukebox)
and One of the most important question is, can I access this through the internet (A la Slingbox or so?) If so I have a great project in mind :).

Thanks for reading and responding  :),

Hi... you've had a lot of response to your questions already but I thought I'd put my '2 cents' worth in too ;-)

- Skype
I believe there is some work going on to integrate Skype as a backend Voip provider (or at least there was). But right now you can install the Skype client as a KDE desktop app and use it there just as you would under Windows/Mac.

- Bluetooth Headset integration
As far as I know you can't just attach a Bluetooth dongle to a MD and then use a Bluetooth headset directly connected to it. However you could use a Voip enabled mobile phone (eg Nokia N95 etc) running a Voip app and use a Bluetooth headset paired to the mobile (cellular phone...sorry I'm a Brit ;-)) connected back to the Core/PBX over WiFi. In this scenario the Core would be the PBX and the Mobile phone would work just like any 'normal' voip phone would. We have tested this and it works very well.

- Diskless PXE booted Clients
Essentially when a PXE booted client boots it is using a directory on the Core as its boot drive. All the processing and code execution happens in the clients processor/memory. It means that the client only needs minimally a processor & 512mb ram and no local HD and optionally an optical drive if you want to play local CD/DVD content direct from discs. The delivers a low cost, low energy & low maintenance solution.

- Core's Hard Drive or NAS?
Well lmce-0704 is a very flexible platform and offers numerous options here. You could 'load up' your Core with drives (and they could be RAIDed too) or you could add a low cost self contained NAS, or build a NAS using something like FreeNAS or as you could add HD's to one of you MD's and make that the main storage solution in your system. All would work independently or mixed together in pretty much any way that suited you. Whether one is better than the other will depend on your needs etc... there is no 'right' or 'wrong' way though!

- Can two or more thin clients access the core?
The simple answer is yes they can. But as with any system there will be limits on how smoothly performance is delivered as you 'load up' your system. In our experience using a 2.8 ghz Celeron M/i915/1Gb based Core using a 10/100 network we can smoothly handle 4 PXE booted MD's all playing media or streaming UK standard PAL TV concurrently (even while the Core is say ripping a DVD). But in the end it comes down to making sure your LAN is setup correctly and configure optimally as well.

- Can lmce-0704 be used like a SlingBox?
Well as of today not really. However in the short term you could attach a Slingbox to your Core or an MD and use it to stream/control the Core/MD from outside your house just like you would a TV or DVR. We have not tested this... but I can't see any reason that this might not work in principle.

Hope the above helps you!


On my machines at least, going to a different tty screen and logging on with root does not prompt for password. (ie: ctrl-alt-F1). Not very secure but that may serve your need.

If you do that from the Core though you will just get another console session on the Core. We need to ssh into one of the moons (ie MD's) as root to install some drivers etc.

Hi all

I've got a Zonbu computer ( which I want to use as a diskless MD. It boots off the network and everything looks great until it tries to run X and the AVwizard. The onboard graphics card driver (Via cx700) is not supported out of the box. I installed LinuxMCE 704 from the DVD.

I think I have found linux drivers to support my graphics chip but I'm unable to gain root priveleges to install.

I can log on to the diskless MD using linuxmce/linuxmce, but it seems like I'm getting logged on as sambahelper, and this user does not have sudo rights.

So, my questions: how do I gain sudo rights on the diskless MD? Anyone?

In advance, thanks!


At your core do the following;

chroot /usr/pluto/diskless/NN passwd (****where NN is the moon device ID of the MD you want to change***)

The use the following line to ssh into the MD... where NN is the device ID entered above;

ssh root@moonNN

Now you should be logged in as root ont eh MD and you can do whatever you need to :-)

Users / Re: Install next to Windows XP?
« on: August 21, 2007, 10:53:52 pm »
What about the part...

If I choose to boot into LinuxMCE in order to set up a recording for tonite and then restart and boot into Windows XP in order to surf the web or play a game... the show won't record right?

They are obviously two seperate operations systems and processes don't run while booted into another?

Hmmm... missed that part of your question! Any dual-boot system by definition will only be running one of the OS at any given time ;-)

As someone else has said already you might want to try VMware as a way of running multiple concurrent OS's simultaneously... however you will take a performance hit from sharing the processor and from the virtualisation itself.

Users / Re: Thermostat
« on: August 21, 2007, 10:39:38 pm »
Would a Z-wave thermostat work? All I can find in the Wikis it lights and PIRs. Has anyone used one yet? If Z-wave is a no go, what kindof setup are people using now for thermostats?

In principle a Z-wave thermostat will work. But currently the lmce-0704 z-wave binary only knows about lights & PIR's.

Users / Re: Install next to Windows XP?
« on: August 21, 2007, 07:24:36 am »
I have never used LinuxMCE before but have used a few different Ubuntu versions and enjoyed them.  I've futzed around with different Windows Media program and haven't found one I love.

Is there a way to install LinuxMCE without disturbing my current Windows XP installation?  I am not ready to make a full transition to Linux.  I do understand the idea of dual booting but I think I need an installation CD and my HP didn't come with them.  Even still... that would reformat my drive.

If I do dual boot... and set a recording with LinuxMCE, it wouldn't record unless I was booted into LinuxMCE right?  If I set it and then switched to Windows XP it wouldn't record?

Yes a dual boot Windows Xp / lmce-0704 setup is easy to setup. Dont use the lmce-0704 quick install DVD iso though as that will reformat your whole drive.

On an existing Windows XP machine with plenty of spare drive capacity just insert the Kubuntu 7.04 Live CD and boot from it. When the Kubuntu Live CD desktop appears click the 'Install' icon on the desktop and follow the instructions to create a dual boot system. Next use the lmce-0704 CD installer discs to install lmce onto your Kubuntu 7.04 installation and follow the installation procedure carefully.

Now you will have a dual boot system that will boot first into the Grub menu where you will be able to choose Kubuntu/lmce or Windows XP to boot into.

Hope this helps.


Users / Re: Next : I have to change th IP-Adresses of my hybrid core
« on: August 20, 2007, 01:07:40 pm »
Shouldn't that be eth0 and eth0:0?  I had no eth1 untill I plugged in the second NIC.

Yep... typo sorry :-)something

Users / Re: Next : I have to change th IP-Adresses of my hybrid core
« on: August 20, 2007, 08:14:49 am »
It had not been my experience until the latest build. Now on a single NIC install it still assigns eth0 and eth1. That seems to only be changeable in the devices-core page of the web admin. Once sorted the rest can be managed from the network page.

You need both eth0 and eth1 on a single physical NIC install so that you can have an external and internal IP - eth1 is a virtual NIC used to do this.

Users / Re: Next : I have to change th IP-Adresses of my hybrid core
« on: August 19, 2007, 09:44:37 pm »
It doesn't always work. There are several places that may need editing depending on what you want to do. There are settings under devices-core for id'ing the NICs that are important when switching from 2 to 1 nic. There are settings in KDE Suystem that can be used to set and change ip addresses and there is the web panel and the file available from the startup app.

I have had the most success starting from the devices-core settings (be careful or you can hose the system) and then the admin panel and then restart the system. But to just set an ip for a nic that is properly identified the admin is the easiest and most straightforward.

Well that is definitely not our experience at all. We always configure our cores using Web Admin and they are all currently single NIC configs. We have more than 15 different cores managed/config'd that way and have done, I would guess, well in excess of 150 installs now without a single network related problem using this method.

Installation issues / Re: Problem playing DVD's
« on: August 19, 2007, 12:09:00 pm »
I waited almost 2 hours ( I went to the movies) and the MD still said it needed DVD CSS even though the orbiter and the setup wizard said it was already installed.  I run the script and in about 1 min it was fixed. 

I did have to manually install id-my-disc as well.  I have yet to be able to install any software via orbiter.  I am not sure why, but nonetheless I am up and working well. 



Hi Rob,

Glad that got things working for you. I know the lmce devs know about this issue as i have reported this too them... lets hope they get a fix soon.



Users / Re: Next : I have to change th IP-Adresses of my hybrid core
« on: August 19, 2007, 11:56:35 am »

is it sufficient to change the IP-Addresses in /etc/network/interfaces or are there any other places i have to edit ?

Thanks for your effort


Well... why not do it the easy way in Web Admin using the Advanced menu -> Network ->Network Settings

Users / Re: I don`t use Lightning, climate, telcom and security, ...
« on: August 19, 2007, 11:54:20 am »

How can i customize the UI of my hybridcore so that it only shows the Icons for Media ?
Is it possible to deactivate the server-Components like asterisk ? My machine is equipped only with 256 MB Ram and the Desktop is veryy slow

thanks for your effort


There is no simple way to do UI customisation in UI1 or UI2 at the moment or to omit server components (it would be possible to edit the lmce launch scripts that launch the various components I guess or more modify there init.d scripts)... get more RAM is a suggestion worth considering. 512mb on MD's and 1gb on Core/Hybrids is what we configure.

I would imagine that disabling server components coul

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