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Marketplace / New Athena Orbiter & UI Layer - Media Playback
« on: September 26, 2014, 05:04:56 pm »
Just in time for your weekend enjoyment we've posted another demo video of the Athena UI in action. This time my co-worker Steve is demoing our newly added support for video media browsing & playback controls. This time we're also demonstrating the fact that the Athena Orbiter can be accessed from any modern web browser by doing the demo on a MacBook in Safari.

We'll be uploading more videos in the next few weeks as we implement more of the Athena UI. If you have any questions about the Athena UI or any other aspect of Dianemo please post them hear.

http://youtu.be/zZNbyPvTbhQ

All the best

Andy

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Marketplace / New Athena Orbiter & UI Layer Screenshots
« on: September 24, 2014, 03:35:32 pm »
I've posted a few new images of ongoing Athena UI Skin development to our Facebook page. In the past I've posted images like these here directly, but this time I'm testing just posting a link to the Facebook post instead (feedback welcomed on this);

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dianemo-Home-Automation/226019387454465?hc_location=timeline

In the new screenshots you will see we've added new icons for Lighting & Climate at the far right-hand end of the icon bar. The second image shows a 'work in-progress' screenshot of the lighting screen complete with dynamic sliders for dimming lights. I'll be posting more of these in the coming weeks as things develop.

As ever if you have any questions about Dianemo or Athena please post them here and i will do my best to answer them.

All the best

Andy

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Users / Re: Android mobile/cell phone orbiter selection & help
« on: September 24, 2014, 02:42:04 pm »
I am trying to get an orbiter working on my cell for outside my network but while i'm at home as well.  I want to have access while at work or out of state.  I have messed with all versions a little but cannot get outside to work.  I really like the UI of web orbiter.  Don't really like the Qorbiter UI.  Is it better to add orbiter on admin page and set up then install to phone or other way around?  I have a pic view of my firewall rules.  Does it matter if i select qorbiter or generic proxy orbiter to add since its going on my cell phone?  I have the galaxy s3.  Huge thanks in advance for any reply's.

This response is a little off track but bare with me - first some background on how we provide remote access in Dianemo; Currently Dianemo only has an 'official' iOS Orbiter App. This is a native iOS App written in Objective-C. Our iOS App does support both access to Dianemo inside your home and a secure access when you are away from home (as long as you have an internet connection). Remotely our iOS Orbiter, or a Web Orbiter running in a browser, can connect back to your Dianemo system home securely using our Remote Access service whereby your Orbiter connects to Cloud based Remote Access service and this provides a secure connection back to your Dianemo system at home.

But of course you want a solution that works on an Android device not iOS. In late December this year we will release an update that contains our new Athena Orbiter UI layer. See here for a video demo of the Athena Orbiter running on an iPad and demonstrating one of our prototype HTML5 UI skins; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQAeGia26A&authuser=0


Our Athena Orbiter is written in HTML5 and will run in any modern HTML5 compliant browser on any OS - so Android will be supported day one. We will also have an updated iOS App and a new Android App that will implement our new Athena code too at that time. Athena will also support our Remote Access Cloud service mentioned above. When Athena is released we will also provide several example HTML5 based UI skins that will be fully documented so that if you wanted too you could modify or duplicate a skin and use it as a starting point for your own fully customised Orbiter UI design. You would need to understand some HTML5 to make changes but thats all - you would not need to understand in dept the rest of the system to make changes to the UI.

None of this will initially apply to LinuxMCE but late next year some of the full Athena UI layer may be made available in LinuxMCE too. In the meantime we are looking for people to become part of the beta test program for Athena which we expect to start in late Oct or early Nov (you do need a Dianemo installation to participate in this though)

All the best

Andy


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The main point I tried to make is: Yes, HTML5 design is much easier done than the original Orbiter work. But it still is not something that one can easily do on a single weekend, if one doesn't have any background in HTML "coding"

I didn't quantify how long it would take to learn HTML5 - but knowing Bulek I think he already has skill in this area. But I think the broader point is that many people here already have enough knowledge of HTML to easily cope with building a skin especially if they use an existing Dianemo Athena skin as their starting point. We will add plenty of notes and remarks to our standard Athena skins so that understanding the structure of the skins makeup will not be difficult.

Personally I cannot wait to see what users come up with, both in terms of improvements and adaptations to our standard skins, and to brand new designs they've invented too.

Andy

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Users / Re: Raspberry Pi as UPnP player under Dianemo
« on: September 23, 2014, 12:38:22 pm »
Hi Andrew,

How can I get the firmware of Dianemo for my Rpi.

Thanks,

Heinz

Hi Heinz,

You can download Raspbmc for Rpi for free from here; http://www.raspbmc.com/download/

If you'd like integrated HDMI-CEC control from Dianemo of the TV attached to your Rpi then we offer a Dianemo Raspbmc-CEC package that adds our CEC control software. See here for details of Offer-4; http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=8880.msg99946#msg99946

Or PM or email me if you have any questions.

All the best

Andy

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Andrew,

I think, you simplify the generation of a new skin dramatically. There is a reason, why people get paid for being web screen developers. It is not easy task, and frankly, I would be pissed if all of a sudden something I am using in a system I've paid for is no longer working like it used to. Just ask Tschak how often I've beaten him with a baseball bat because some change caused havoc on existing stuff.

Well anyone that has a Dianemo system will have known that these changes were coming well in advance and were given plenty of time to change to another Skin. We very rarely end support for a feature and in this case it only effects some of the original LMCE skins - we have only had a single user be affected in fact. So we assessed the impact as about as close to zero as it could be.

Our move to HTML5 for our Athena Orbiter UI is all about making adapting, changing and designing UI's more accessible. Yes you do need some basic design sensibilities aligned with some basic HTML skills. But taking an existing UI eg the Basic skin from UI1 and implementing it in HTML5 is not at all difficult and there are plenty of graphical editors available if you prefer to work that way and plenty of information available for you to educate yourself via too. We feel that opening our UI up via HTML5 offers an incredibly accessible entry point for anyone to get into customising their system - yes as with anything we will see some badly designed screens & UI's but thats not a reason to not give people the opportunity to experiment. We will also see many graphically talented people do some great new designs because for the first time they can use their existing skills to implement a Dianemo UI. Something no designer would ever be able to do with a tool like HADesigner.

All the best

Andy

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Hi,

it seems that someone thought on access to those scenarios. In newest skin (St.George or something), lighting button brings you to those scenarios - but only those from Lighting group. Then Climate button brings you to Floorplan instead of Climate scenarios. I assume that cause there is separate Floorplans button probably for the purpose of seeing all possible floorplans... Only button for Media Scenarios is not there...

Anyway, we will probably stay with UI1 - my family just got too familiar with that screen. It's a pity we cannot use Audio...

Regards,
Bulek.

Well with Athena there is no reason why you could not design a new Athena UI skin that looks and behaves exactly like the old UI1 skin you love ;-). All you'd need to do is design a layout in HTML5 to emulate the old skin and your done.

Thats the power of Athena's HTML5 based skins & Orbiter!

All the best

Andy

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Hello,

quite some time Audio media playing feature has not been working for us. When we tried to start Audio, got errors about non-existing Entertainment Area. Radu gave me advice to try new skin and it seems that Audio is not working anymore under UI1 skin. I know this skin is old, but we've been using it all the time on our main touchscreen.

Now to retain Audio features, we have to move to newer skins, but we got quite dissapointed, cause newer skins don't support some vital screens - at least for us. Our house is fully automated one and we have practically everything automated (also fully integrated Ventilation system, Heat Pump and whole house audio system with two channels and 5 audio zones).

To be able to control such a beast, we had created a lot of scenarios, that are showed in separate buttons on UI1 main screen (see attachment). We have at least 12 such scenarios for each main category (listed in left column). Also we liked quad view camera screens - we have two such screens, one for internal and one for external cams.
But we're a bit said, cause newer skins seem to be not supporting mentioned features anymore. Only Lighting button brings you to Lighting scenarios, but in our system this is only smaller part of all scenarios.

I think that those screens are really important for a system that appears to be full automation solution for residential use. My family members got used to those buttons (scenarios), even our grandma stayed with us for a few days and she used some additional scenarios created especially for her quite extensively.

Currently, we will probably keep UI1 and sacrifice Audio, but we would like to start discussion about this matter. We feel that perhaps we're not the only missing those features. We would also like to hear opinion from Dianemo - is it changing its focus to more media oriented system ?

Thanks in advance for discussion,

regards,

Bulek.

Hi Bulek,

We're sorry but there are some breakages in the old UI1 skins due to changes we have been making over the last several months to the underlying system as we moved the audio side of the system to be fully integrated with LMS. However we are working on our Athena Orbiter which is written in HTML5 and it may well be that you can re-create your UI1 skin functionality in a customised Athena skin and at the same time get all the new advanced audio features too.

All the best

Andy

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What I meant was replace the LMCE parts so that LMCE will be totally open. We already have a personal license.

Looking at the state of the current kickstarter campaign fills me with nothing but sadness. Either something is wrong with what is communicated or it is not communicated through enough channels. Can any of the (linuxmce&dianemo) users here comment why they don't support it and what would make them change their mind and start backing the project???

Well that's kind of what I meant too re bringing code back into LMCE.

Re the lack of backers on Kickstarter - we've actually had a lot of feedback via email and of course none of that is visible on Kickstarter. Of course we'd have loved for the current Kickstarter project to have got backed by thousands of people. But if we don't meet our goal then we will put together a new Kickstarter project with a different set of goals and a range of other changes too. So yes it's frustrating but it's also a great lesson too.

I'd obvious be very pleased if forum members post their views on our Kickstarter here as you suggested. Any and all perspectives/views will be listened to and welcomed.

All the best

Andy

PS Any suggestions re the current, or indeed future, Kickstarter campaigns would be best posted here in this thread so that everyone can see them. I've had some PM's from quite a few people - I appreciate your input very much. But can i ask that if you have any positive or negative suggestions (keep it clean please ;-) ) then please post them here unless they also contain anything private. Thanks.

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I understand that you feel you need to protect it. However I don't think that it will really take of quickly if it is not really open. My feeling saids we need some companies like yours or in other areas (and preferably bigger) that really support and push forward the system. I think it's to risky business wise to build on software like this if it is not really open (and no big company supporting it, and even those fuck up most of the time in the long run somewhere). It could work if the base is open (like linuxmce and you have some nice add-ons that make it more smooth but the basic should function.

However since the relative little response here in the community I suppose most here are cheapskates not willing to donate even one penny to make it really open. Never expected it to be that way. The only excuse is that it is not clearly stated that your work will make linuxmce also get rid of the current constrictions (and to me that is also still not clear).

We want Open Dianemo to be as 'open' as we can make it while balancing the commercial side of our business. The challenges of just using GPLv3 for the whole of Dianemo are many - we've already had some experience of other companies trying to re-sell Dianemo as theirs. So there is some resistance to opening that flood gate (it might only be a trickle ;-)...but that might still be pretty damaging commercially). If we were a large business that could just 'out develop' any competitor that came along and used forked a GPLv3 Open Dianemo release then that would be ok. But we could find that a relatively well funded competitor took our source and built a competing product using it - that could leave us in a situation where we loose.

We're doing our best to find a middle ground and I think we have a pretty good one right now. We will Open Source something like 80% (a rough estimate...could be more or a little less) of the code and place the remainder under a new DPL. If you make code changes to the GPL parts of Open Dianemo then those changes will remain Open. If you make changes to the DPL parts of Dianemo then those changes would remain under the DPL, but accessible freely for non-commercial use. The only restriction on the DPL will be for commercial use - and we will have a range of commercial licensing options for all sizes of business. Those options will span everything from a one person 'mom & pop' sized business up to big commercial partners. The licensing costs for the 'small guy' will be very reasonable indeed - we want those businesses to exist and thrive. There are many forum members that have wanted to build businesses around Dianemo over the years - and i mean considerably more than 250+ over the years, we've always had to turn them away as we could not offer them a commercially viable (for them) deal. So that will change completely. The licensing deals will  increase in price based on the scale & type of business that needs the license. But for everyone else there will be a free and open version they can do whatever they want with - and if anyone subsequently wants to build a business off the back of their private use/experience of Open Dianemo then at any time they can do that, simply by getting a commercial license at the price point that fits their business size.

I think that will be seen by most people as reasonable - at least I hope so.

An we would welcome LMCE taking our Open Dianemo source and integrating it with the LMCE code base. Yes there would be that approx. 20% that would be DPL but for personal use that would have no impact at all.

All the best

Andy

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The restriction of the PPL is that you cannot use LMCE commercially. There is no restriction to your personal use however.

With the DPL we will have a range of commercial licenses available. Some will be designed for small companies or private individuals that want to build a business around Dianemo and some will be designed for larger companies. And of
course there will be no restrictions at all to non-commercial use.

We feel that's a big improvement on what we have currently.

Andy

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I think the idea is, that all the PPL parts get replaced.

That's correct.

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Marketplace / New - Dianemo & LMCE Configuration Packs
« on: September 10, 2014, 05:08:19 pm »
I will post more on this either later today or tomorrow (11/09/2014) but I wanted to get something up here today;

We have taken a selection of real world installations for different sized properties and can remotely install these on your system for you. The configurations cover properties such as to name a few;

- One Bed Apartment
- Two Bed Apartment
- 2 Bed House
- 4 Bed House
- 6 Bed House

Each have audio/tv/media configured for relevant rooms, audio cards vistualised, SqueezeLite devices, Upnp Media Players or SmartTV's, Room names and other options set, scenarios setup and working etc and a whole load of other configuration items all ready to go.

The idea behind these packs is to take a big chunk of the configuration effort away so that you can focus more on the details or in some cases just 'the living' part of the equation ;-). Although in some cases the pack you choose may be all you need to configure, and so after installation you will be pretty much ready to go, for most there will still be a need for some additional configuration. However even if you still need to do some additional configuration after a Configuration Pack was installed, you will still be up and running much more quickly than you would be starting from scratch.

We will install your chosen pack by remote assistance at an agreed time, and then will notify you when the installation is complete. After a Pack has been installed for you, it can be backed up in the normal way, and then re-installed again later if need be by you. Installing a Configuration Pack will over write any existing configuration you have already carried out so please backup your installation if you want to keep that config.

I will outline full pricing on the Packs later but they start at an introductory price of $79 USD for the One Bed Apartment Pack.

Initially we will only have Dianemo compatible Packs available but we are working on LMCE versions too. Some LMCE Configuration Pack's should be available in the next few weeks - so please let me know which Packs you would be interested in.

Anyway PM me if you are interested or have any questions regarding the Packs (**we will also have some discounted bundle pricing when you purchase a Pack + Dianemo License)

All the best

Andy

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After all this experience with this beast do you really think that someone that just takes it and rebrands it will last long? I think that if you would get some companies willing to spend the time to get to know this system they will also automatically contribute. If it is GPL they have to. Otherwise why go to them and not go to the people who really understand the product. If it is going to be such a personal license again I am afraid it will be the same strange situation as with linuxmce. In any case stating properly in the proposal what it will be is a good idea I suppose.

Also I wondered what it can mean for Linuxmce. If all pluto parts were to be actually opensource by replacing them with gpl and it would also be integrated into linuxmce than this project would also benefit and linuxmce users might also be interested to donate. Maybe an additional pledge is possible there?

I am not sure if it is possible but maybe some porting of for example the orbiter to linuxmce would also be of value. I suppose the devs can say more about that.

After a quick search on google I did not notice any references to the kickstarter campaign. I think that if you want to really get this going a fresh launch together with a push to some proper news sites/stations is required (maybe you already did that and I just did not find it or they just did not publish it). You really want momentum to get this going and seeing the limited response this far on the forum I think another angle might be required to get the lmce community running ;-)

all the best.
E.

Again all good comments, suggestions & observations.

We do need a licensable version as we already have some relationships where we provide Dianemo on that basis to pro-installers etc.

Andy

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* the specs of the hardware offered are not listed in the pdf
 * pledges could include more core variations (also be able to include bigger drive)
 * can include MD's and other basic homeautomation stuff so people buy a full experience
 * stretch goals?
 * maybe some kind of closed/paid forum only accessible to paying users. One can get access to when pledging more then an x amount. (this forum can guarantee a response time of one hour during business hours). Also more extensive help documentation can be part of this
 * paid backup option of configuration & database (maybe also of data, donno if that can be done efficiently if multiple users have the same data/media)

There are some good ideas in your list for sure. Thanks i will pass those on for discussion. Some kind of closed support forum is a possibility - however our preference currently is for us to provide some support/config services to Open Dianemo users who are setting up a system for themselves. But this may need more detailed thought still. A paid for backup service for media/content is of course technically feasible - but dependent on what a user is doing with her/his system ie lots of rips, bluerays etc etc those backups could be enormous - and restoring them could be equally lengthy. Backing up configs is definitely doable though and may well become a service we offer.

Thanks again for the ideas and suggestions - much appreciated.

All the best

Andy


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