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Installation issues / Introducing: web orbiter
« on: June 26, 2007, 10:52:10 am »
Hi people,

From posts on this list, there seems to be a prevailing notion that to get your first MD set up (which requires a working orbiter) you need to install LinuxMCE as a hybrid. This is not entirely true, but not surprising as the better solution isn't exactly widely advertised... so for anyone who haven't heard about this yet:

What you want to use is the web orbiter, which in the interest of clarity was named "generic Proxy Orbiter" and which runs inside the equally-clearly-named "generic web device". In the admin interface of your core, click on "Show Devices Tree" ->  "CORE" -> "Create Child Device". Select "Generic Web Device" from the Device Template menu, then click "Pick device template". Reload the router, then go to http://dcerouter/pluto-admin/weborbiter.php. Log in, select "Generic Web Device" from the Device menu, click "Submit", and you got an orbiter.

Be worn - it's a *very bad* orbiter. It's bad even in Pluto standards. But it works, mostly, at least well enough to get your MD set up.


Users / Re: Any solutions for disappearing mythtv frontend?
« on: April 16, 2007, 10:01:45 am »
...  the corwin workaround is working fine for me ...

"...and some have greatness thrust upon them..."

I never thought of this as a workaround... it was just a way to demonstrate that the problem is with LMCE killing the myth process right after starting it, rather than mythfrontend dying of its own accord. But hey, if it actually enables people to use myth, well, there are worse things to be famous for ;-).

Installation issues / Re: ARGH!!! This installation isn't easy!!!
« on: April 16, 2007, 09:56:41 am »
Perhaps I should just try and install MythTV and forget about  LMCE.  Anyone think it would be easier?


Users / Re: Any solutions for disappearing mythtv frontend?
« on: April 13, 2007, 07:51:58 am »
That is weird....  I could not exit from it though... back to a blank screen...

That just shows that the orbiter thinks myth is still running... which, I think, also indicates that MythTV_Plugin didn't kill the myth process on purpose.

Anyway, exiting is easy... either open a web orbiter and hit power-off on the TV remote screen, or press F7 on the MD and select Quit from the leftmost menu.

Installation issues / Re: DCERouter dying
« on: April 13, 2007, 05:44:15 am »
Did the install complete with no errors?

Installation issues / Re: No Media from Network sources
« on: April 13, 2007, 05:25:35 am »
mine doesn't work either, but these are some steps others have used


Want to detail what you've done and where you got stuck? Solving your problem might reveal some useful additions to the howto.


Users / Re: Any solutions for disappearing mythtv frontend?
« on: April 12, 2007, 10:24:36 am »
This is really funny... and when I say funny, I mean it's very sad.

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moon32# mv /usr/bin/mythfrontend /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real
moon32# cat > /usr/bin/mythfrontend
/usr/bin/mythfrontend.real $@
moon32# chmod +x /usr/bin/mythfrontend

Now... select TV from an orbiter, then repeatedly run "ps wax | grep myth". You'll see mythfrontend and mythfrontend.real. On the X display, Myth will start up. After a few seconds the mythfrontend process will disappear, but mythfrontend.real will still be there and you'll be able to watch TV (real slowly and with no sound on my MD, but what does that matter?).

BTW, this trick is great for parties. *Really* boring parties.

Users / Re: LMCE source files? Build system?
« on: April 12, 2007, 07:22:13 am »
here you have all the sources and build instructions

Thank you :)

Apologies... I should have found that myself. I checked the site but not the wiki...

Users / Keeping folder structure in video lists?
« on: April 09, 2007, 09:10:13 am »

I got my movies on my NAS server organized in folders, but the LMCE media browser shows them all in one long list - I guess it's only organizing based on meta tags and not folder structure, which is fine for id3-tagged music, but not really nice for movies...

Before calling this a bug/missing feature, I thought I'd check if there's a way to tell it to use folder structure in the lists and I'm just not seeing it.

TIA, Itai

P.S. This might be a good opportunity to mention another media list annoyance - this one is a "feature" according to Pluto... the media browser doesn't understand compilations, so it creates a folder for every artist in my collection - most of them with a single album and a single song. Unless there's a way to change this behavior, it goes into my "to do yesterday" wishlist.

An install that stops with that error has no chance of ever working right... scrap it and start from scratch, then try to figure out why it stops.

Users / Re: Any solutions for disappearing mythtv frontend?
« on: April 09, 2007, 07:46:52 am »
I think not useless!  So we are narrowing the problem down to certainly not mythfrontend.  I notice in the process listing there is something called 'SCREEN' before each device running.  I am thinking that mythfrontend kicks off and whatever is supposed to keep it running in focus (though I'm hesitant to use focus) loses it and it may be trying to go back to pluto.  Part of the issue may be that myth likes to take control from window manager and there is a struggle between pluto and myth over the xserver.

A few thoughts on this:

1) It's not a focus issue, because you can see the mythfrontend process starting up, and then disappearing at the same time the display goes grey.

2) LMCE runs mythfrontend with the '-w' switch (run in window), and in this mode myth doesn't do anything unusual with the window manager.

Also, I don't think it's an issue of LMCE ending the mythfrontend process, because then the orbiter would return to the screensaver and the default control layout. The fact that we get a grey screen, and that when you return to the orbiter you see the myth controls menu, means that the orbiter doesn't even know that myth died...

BTW, after myth dies and you're in the grey screen, just hit F7 to get back to the orbiter. Then select "quit" from the menu to end the myth control process and return to normal.

Does anyone have myth working correctly???

How I'd love for that to be answered...

Users / LMCE source files? Build system?
« on: April 09, 2007, 04:18:15 am »
Hey LMCE guys,

I thought I'd take a look at some source files (although I should know better) so I could work some things out for myself instead of asking a lot of questions... but I can't find any sources.

So - have you got an accessible repository? Source package download? Build system instructions?

TIA, Itai

Users / Re: Any solutions for disappearing mythtv frontend?
« on: April 09, 2007, 04:04:57 am »
New (useless) info:

1) Starting mythfrontend from the command line (whether OrbiterGL is running or not), it works fine.

2) When starting mythfrontend from the orbiter, the logs show nothing useful. the mythfrontend simply quits, no error messages show up anywhere.

This is getting painful... starting to feel like the good old Pluto days.

mythfrontend is started by /usr/pluto/bin/MythTV_Player. Is anyone familiar with this code able to say anything about what might be going wrong there?

Users / Re: Media director on windows. Is it possible?
« on: April 08, 2007, 02:16:40 pm »
Hi Jasent,

The Pluto code repository used to include a bunch of Windows programs that were supposed to add up to a working MD, if you knew how to set them up... it was undocumented and unsupported, and I don't know if they've updated it or if it's even still there.

I think it would be a lot easier to get your laptops working as Linux MD's than trying to get a working Windows MD. If you want to pursue the MD-on-Windows angle anyway, I'd suggest trying the Pluto forums (


Installation issues / Re: How do youinstall LinuxMCE??
« on: April 08, 2007, 02:08:27 pm »
One thing I also noticed was that when I clicked install Linux MCE from the desktop, it destroyed my LinuxMCE CD.  It would have been more polite to simply say "sorry wrong version" rather than destroying a CD like that.  I had to re-burn CD from the iso (fortunately I hadn't deleted it off my xp machine).  Yes, my windows machine confirmed that it was really trashed and not simply temporarily unreadable.

Hahaha, you're funny... if we had a "post of the week" contest, this would be the post of the week.

You actually believe that LinuxMCE destroyed a burned CD? How much experience do you have with computers, exactly?

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