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Developers / Re: Nokia N800 Orbiter easy build
« on: July 28, 2012, 08:39:43 pm »
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the N800 pretty similar to the N900?

To answer your question, I actually have to read Wikipedia myself :)

The N900 is a phone. The N800 isn't. The N810 is like the N800, but it's cuter and includes a sliding keyboard :)

The N900 runs Maemo 5, the N800 runs Maemo 4. This thing I did is related to the wiki article you linked in. I have no idea if you can use what I committed to build the Orbiter for the N900 - I don't have one. If you do have a N900, please try it out.

I did this because sometimes people do need the Nokia Orbiter to be rebuilt, and the process was a bitch.

Or are you working on the qOrbiter for the N800?

Nope, not qOrbiter. Just the same old boring N800 Orbiter based on sources in src/Orbiter. Sorry to disappoint.

Developers / Nokia N800 Orbiter easy build
« on: July 28, 2012, 07:08:17 am »
I've started work on committing the stuff for the Nokia N800 and N810 Orbiter. You can follow progress here: ticket #1523.

I'm leaving your old stuff alone for now. There's a README file in my commit with instructions. Feedback appreciated.

I've started work on committing the stuff for the Nokia N800 and N810 Orbiter. You can follow progress here: ticket #1523.

I'm leaving your old stuff alone for now. There's a README file in my commit with instructions. Feedback appreciated.

Please use this thread: Nokia N800 easy build for comments. Thanks.

Sounds a great piece of work.  When you get a spare moment I would be interested in what has changed from old to new N8x0 version,  as I use the old N8x0 version with my Dianemo S system right now, and most functions work just fine.

With the LinuxMCE version, you are unable to use the Internet Radio functionality that Andy described in another post, you can't use the UPnP browser screens (if you tick the appropriate box in web admin) and you can't browse videos on the "Dianemo" skin because the Orbiter will just complain about "Bad GotoScreen". This is one of the main reasons why I prefer a Web Orbiter frontend, like the RoamingOrb or the Dianemo iOS Orbiter instead of a complete Orbiter on the device itself - the complete orbiter can lag behind a lot, as it won't get updated each time the code needs to be recompiled. I have a small patch for ScreenGen to avoid the need of recompilation each time you add a new screen that doesn't need any extra handling in code, which I'll submit around later too.

Users / Re: Dianemo S - MythTV Not keeping Settings on MM
« on: July 27, 2012, 08:23:05 pm »
OK, maybe a bit more than 5 minutes. I've uploaded the fix now. Please update your system.

Users / Re: Dianemo S - MythTV Not keeping Settings on MM
« on: July 27, 2012, 08:04:52 pm »
Oh... I know what this is. There's a clever script that tries to autoconfigure your vdpau if you have it. It is /usr/pluto/bin/ It runs on the core but configures the MMs as well in one go. The key is at line 85 in that script. That worked fine when I wrote it, so I wonder what changed, so I can fix it. [2 minutes later] I found out what changed. Fix is on the way. Give me 5 minutes :)

Does it support the N900 or is that a separate issue? And does the fremantle version of the app support regular LinuxMCE,  as opposed to just Dianemo?

As Andy said, the build he's bragging about is for N800 and N810 (and possibly N770, but I have no idea) running Diablo (that's what Nokia released last).

Our Orbiter isn't compatible with LinuxMCE, mainly because of things in the `Screen` table and everything that derives from it, so you'd be unable to use the Dianemo N800 binary with LinuxMCE and not want to pull your hair off - true the other way around as well.

But... good news: I'll commit, at some point later, the script and instructions for building a N800 binary that's suitable for LinuxMCE based on LinuxMCE sources. After all, the N800 Orbiter is based on the OSD Orbiter code, with some compile options to make it different.

I'll post here when I've done that. It's not "now" because I'm always busy with stuff - sorry about that. To add to the delay, I just had the idea that people might want to have both the LinuxMCE and Dianemo packages side-by-side, in which case I have to make some more changes.

Users / Re: Dianemo S: UpdateMedia und Umlauts
« on: June 26, 2012, 05:46:22 am »
My idea, after reading the thread, is that LinuxMCE changed the database collations at some point, while Dianemo didn't. I get this impression from reading the conflict you get once you make those changes to my.cnf. In my opinion, you shouldn't even need to do that if the collations were right (and if that was what was really causing the problems). I'd have to play with some funny filenames to see what's going on. I've seen it before, with French é characters - I was getting "file not found" on playback because of them. But I didn't really have the time to look into it.

I'm also not totally clear as to what the problem is: do you get "file not found" or is it a display problem, where you get squares where the accented characters are?

my NC is directly connected via hdmi to a lcd tv.
How every, sound and audio is working, but i have no ability to control the volume. neither of the soundcard" nor of any other device, like sonos, squeezebox, wd live or other connected mds.

Also mute is not working.

HDMI sound doesn't have a volume control in ALSA, and App Server, which does the volume control on an MD when you don't have any other device (like an Amp or the TV itself) assigned to do volume control, only knows how to operate a Master or a Front ALSA control. There isn't any soft volume control in Xine Player either (although Xine can do soft volume control for PCM audio). You'd still have no ability to control volume of passthrough sound if you were to use it (but you'd most likely have an amp decoding it and doing volume control in this case).

For the other devices you mention, see the wiki page Andrew linked. In Dianemo, the pipe system was suppressed and replaced with something else.

But now you got me thinking if I should add the ability to do soft volume to Xine Player... It might be better than controlling ALSA through App Server.

Dear Andrew,

like written in the wiki i did a fresh install of 12.04.
After that i used the license and installer 1.11 (self updating?), to start dianemo installation.

it suddenly stops with installation failed. Just before it couldn't fetch some things from

Maybe you have a newer installer?

Yes, the installer is self-updating - the idea is to run the latest installer no matter what. Unfortunately, this happens after that PPA is added. It is no longer added in installer 1.16, but if you have it, you must remove it yourself. Just remove all /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mkoegler* files. You should have the new installer in your /usr/pluto/deb-cache right now (it was downloaded before the PPA was added).

Users / Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
« on: May 30, 2012, 01:04:13 am »
Ok then,... but one question,... Not allowed to share your export script?

Not even that. Plus, since it was a one off, I'm not even sure I still have it. Possy seems to have an good idea about what to do though.

Users / Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
« on: May 27, 2012, 02:47:18 pm »
just a bunch of apps running on top of a distro

Actually, that's exactly what it is :) And that's exactly what I treat it like. As I said before, it's almost certain that it's the build system holding things back, because it's based on some database content that needs to be updated for each and every distro, and THEN you do a full build each and every time, rather than just build the debs that change - when they change. Dianemo is based on the same software as LinuxMCE (forked from LinuxMCE 7.10, which was really Pluto 2 rebranded - we have a non-PPL commercial licence in case you wonder). You can't easily jump distros because you don't have someone (who isn't me - I'm not allowed, sorry) who can make you a new build system. Dianemo had a similar issue before I made the new build system. Now Dianemo can easily jump distros without a major rebuild (only packages that fail are changed) and the only reason there's no 12.04 Dianemo yet is that I don't actually have the time right now (only need a day), and 11.10 works just fine in the mean time.

I keep throwing you guys bones, only if you could find someone (who isn't me) to think and do it :) It only took me a day to get the database exported into deb package structures (that day was spent making the export script output everything correctly), and then a few chisel and caress them until they all built so I can apt-get them. And to create some meta packages so I can do a simple apt-get :)

Users / Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
« on: May 23, 2012, 07:08:04 pm »
The problem is with the build system as far as I can tell, as it can be a nightmare to upgrade dependencies and the build system. In Dianemo, we dumped the historical build system and build debs on their own as the things they provide change. In most cases, we also just start with a copy of the repository when we go to a newer version and then just make the changes that are needed for things to work and rebuild just the affected debs. Unfortunately, I can't help LinuxMCE get onto this path - for various reasons, and there doesn't seem to be anyone else able to do this. I had the exact same problem in Dianemo (being Pluto-based and all) before I dropped the Pluto build system.


Rather than me casting stones,... I'll let Linus Torvalds to it...

So I'm not using Gnome 3 then, since I do have icons on my desktop. What's an "activities" menu mode? Is he talking about the "Gnome shell" bit of Gnome 3? Because I'm not using that. I'm using just the GTK 3 stuff, when apps are linked to it, and it seems to be working as well as GTK 2 (that is: not extremely well yet). I'm on either Unity 2D or Gnome Panel, depending on the phase of the moon, not Gnome shell. And my Unity 2D experience is similar to Gnome panel, except for the task bar - which doesn't bother me. Looks like I'm using all the good bits of Gnome 3 and none of the bad bits? Is that it? :) I'm on Unity 2D right now because it moves all the menu bars into the top panel for maximized windows, so except for the top bar, the entire screen is MINE, ALL MINE :D

We're talking about apples and oranges here, aren't we? Just drop the screwy Gnome shell and use something sane if you don't like it. GTK will be there for you whatever you choose to use. Even if you drop compiz/metacity for xfwm4 (like I do when those first two decide to slow down), GTK will STILL be there. I'm pretty sure Unity 2D won't mind the new window manager. If you want KDE, well... unless you use a Qt app, you STILL have GTK tailgating you, even though you're not running Gnome :) GTK is just stupid at rendering - since forever - even before, and during the time when Linus dropped KDE for Gnome.

Am I feeding a troll here? I feel like I'm feeding a troll :)

It's actually fairly common. It started showing up in early KDE 4 implementations in Kubuntu, and one of the main reasons I dumped KDE for Gnome,... That and the lack of the full KDE 3.5 feature set in KDE 4.0... Now that Gnome has crapped the bed, it's looking as though I'll be coming back home to KDE as my DE for the foreseeable future...

What's wrong with Gnome? I'm using it all the time. I'm even getting used to Unity (the 2D flavour) now.

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