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A big thank you to HARI for initiating me on KNX.

After a long wait and struggle, I finally have a small KNX test rig up and ready!!!

Some of the questions that I posed have been answered after my personal struggle and in one instance writing to the KNX org.

1. Is the KNX power supply counted as a Device?
The KNX power supply is not counted as a device.

2. What happens if my Dali controller goes down?
The controller I have actually turns all the lights on when it is turned off or DA+ and DA- wires are disconnected.

3. Does the KNX IP gateway count as a device?
No, The one used for programming the bus and assigning parameters does not count as a device. That being said I was unable to assign and address nor program the IP Gateway itself. I guess this happens because the device is being used by ETS4 to program the other devices.

To Do List.
The switch panel I procured has a temperature sensor and the two buttons on the top row have been assigned for that function. I need to understand how I can put that function to use and whether the top two buttons can be re-assigned to to a different functional assignment.

I also have a small test rig setup for Z-Wave with Vera, some ACT switches and Dimmers. I did manage to procure a single gang and double gang switch from China. Yet to test them though.

My take is I love KNX all the way, at-least for now.

I have successfully used the Demo Version of ETS4 for programming my test rig.

Test rig :

Power Supply : SIEMENS N 125/01 Power Supply 640 MA - one
Dali Gateway : IPAS DaliControl SC64 IP - one ( for now I have only one DALI ballast with a T5 Flouroscent tube)
KNX Panel 12-fold with LCD Display - Model Largho R12 LCD - one
IP Gateway / Programming interface : ComBridge MCG (multi control gateway) - one

ETS4.0 - Demo version - Installed on my Windows7 laptop.

I understand that my obsession with KNX has kept me off LinuxMCE for a while. I would be seeking my dear friend Valent Turkovic's help with LinuxMCE. I was suggested to go for a LinuxMCE core with an ion processor. Valent claims his consumes only 20Watts. I was impressed by the Mac Mini's power consumption at 14W. Open remote looks promising from an app standpoint.

I am here to make my contributions to this community and would like to thank HARI again for initiating me on KNX.

KNX is a solution which works without a computer. That is correct. If you want to utilize iPod Touch to control your KNX network, you have two choices:
1) Use LinuxMCE - This means, your iPod Touch tells LinuxMCE to do stuff. LinuxMCE talks to the IP/KNX gate, which in turn talks to the KNX actuator.
2) Have a KNX capable software running on your iPod Touch - I do not know of any, but that does not mean nothing exists.

Centralized wiring is always better imho, than decentralized. Or a mixture of both, which is what I have.

What you should think about is, whether or not LinuxMCE fits into your scheme of things. If it does, I would use IR blaster/receiver which are LinuxMCE compatible, regardless of KNX vs. ZWave, i.e. either a regular GC-100-6 for example, or, if you have MDs scattered around, USB-UIRTs.

@posde I have been extensively looking for KNX capable software running on iPod touch that does not require a server and I have come across an app ayControl and one of the things that caught my eye was the statement that said "no server necessary"
"With ayControl you can manage your whole house, because it offers direct communication via iPhone or iPad (no server necessary) and real time presentation of your smart home."

I am looking forward for your expert comments and advice and if anyone on this forum has tried this app.

I wanted to come back to this post with something that made sense and hence the long hibernation.

The test rig is planned.

SIEMENS N 125/01 Power Supply 640 MA - Chosen since most forums saids safe to go with 640ma rather than 320ma.
DaliControl SC64 IP - has a ethernet port, display which allows dali programming on the device itself.
KNX Panel 12-fold with LCD Display - Model Largho R12 LCD
Siemens KNX IP Router N 146

I have downloaded and installed ETS4 Demo version. The KNX website states that ETS4 Demo limitation is "Maximum of 3 KNX devices per project"

I definately need a power supply, not too sure if that is counted as a device. I do need KNX IP device for programming and comissioning one device which would be a DALI gateway in this case and a 12 fold switch panel. I am hoping power supply is not counted and I can get my test rig up on ETS4 Demo Version - All suggestions are welcome.

Once this is up, I want to connect this to a LinuxMCE machine and fool around.

On the visualization front, I have managed to get a demo licence from Iridium. I would also have Global cache components for AV controls, so I was looking at Irule and Command fusion softwares since I plan on having iPod touch and iPads in the whole scheme of things mixing and matching various setups.

Thank you once again Hari for getting me started on KNX - I am kind of lost but exploring my way around.

Developers / Re: LinuxMCE / KNX hardware requirement for lighting solution.
« on: November 21, 2010, 08:44:45 pm »
Thanks a ton posde! From knowing nothing about either LinuxMCE or KNX a week ago. I feel I have come a long way thanks to you and Hari.

In a full blown setup, I want LinuxMCE system to be on all the time. I would be going the way mentioned in step 1).

However, I don't want complete dependency on a system to act as a server, alternately I want to explore the possibilities availaible to implement the solution in step 2.

I don't look at these solutions one better than the other. What I am looking at is that my Ipad talks to KNX through LinuxMCE when I am in the mood for media streaming. At times if and when my system is down, or I am not doing something too media intensive. I will go with the 2) option to fall back on.

Developers / Re: LinuxMCE / KNX hardware requirement for lighting solution.
« on: November 21, 2010, 07:21:26 pm »
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I thought KNX was a solution meant to work without a computer as well, I get my LinuxMCE box into the whole scheme of things to kick in the media into my HA.

I thought my IPAD / IPOD can talk to the KNX system through my router that talks the IP/KNX gate. Is that not the case?

Tomorrow I am getting my hands on a test kit, with one dimming and one on/off circuit. Trying to convince the guy to give me a IP/KNX gate so that I can get it into my home network using an ethernet cable between the gate and my router.

Try something like open remote on my existing android Samsung galaxy S. Will tinker around, see how it goes. I will keep the forum posted.

So for the test rig I am planning on the following stuff.

IP/KNX gate
DALI dimmer
On/Off actuator
connect this rig physically to router and figure out the addressing through the ETS4 trial version.
Test it with openremote on my Android phone.

I dont know whether this makes sense.

An extended discussion with my electrical contractor revolved around centralized and de-centralized wiring.

Any views additions, suggestions, any particular products from ABB are most welcome, since ABB is kind of helping me out by providing some of this material for testing.

The next thing on my plate would be an IR blaster that would fit into my knx scheme of things. Global cache GCH-100 or NEVO IR solution if I went with Z-Wave.

I haven't ruled out Z-Wave completely because, Vera comes with the software without extra money and the ease of deployment is enticing. I should have a Vera based test rig in a couple of weeks as well.

Developers / Re: LinuxMCE / KNX hardware requirement for lighting solution.
« on: November 21, 2010, 02:59:32 am »
@posde - Even if I were to use a regular KNX switch, my beginners understanding is that it sends a control signal for the dimmable light to turn work. In a conventional switch there is an electrical contact established. If in case a Z-wave switch is used and things dont work, yanking it out and replacing it with conventional switch is very simple. In the case of a KNX switch I am looking at only the control wires coming to the switch board.

So whether it be an ipod touch or a KNX switch, both of them send control signals and do not close the electrical circuit, in that context ipod touch would have an extra dependency on the working of my wireless LAN.

@bongowongo - A simple implementation would be all the ballasts would be electrically wired, if I were talking about one zone, then a set of control wires coming from my DALI-Gateway. The DALI gateway connected to an KNX/IP router which in turn connects using a cat5 to my wireless LAN. All the control devices like the IPAD/IPOD touch are connected to the same network using something like openremote to interact with the devices.

Please do give me your suggestions.

So I met the guy from ABB who actually come with all the models of KNX switches, and a whole load of other switches. And with my limited knowledge I had to explain what I really needed was a DALI gateway like DALI-Gateway DG/S 8.1 from ABB. A few phone calls later. I am put across to a technical expert on the subject, who has not heard of EnOcean. Long story short, I need to pick and choose what I want and buy without any expert advice.

So my first shopping list would contain DALI-Gateway DG/S 8.1 from ABB and KNX IP controller.

Now this guy tells me I need to have a licenced copy of ETS4 without which I cannot configure any of this stuff. I have checked out some european brands like Wago which talks about WAGO I/O-PRO CAA software.

Stupid question #1 - Can I not access and configure my Dali network using LinuxMCE ?
Stupid question #2 - If no - is there an opensource alternative, that will get the job done?

Developers / Re: LinuxMCE / KNX hardware requirement for lighting solution.
« on: November 19, 2010, 09:00:30 pm »
Ideally I would have chosen the Ipad, however the current version does not have a front camera and a teardown showed that there was a provision for a front cam as well as gyro chip was missing but provisioned for. So thats apple parlance for an upgrade coming with those features present.

Hari, your take on how well a LinuxMCE would work with the Ipod touch or Ipad?

Developers / Re: LinuxMCE / KNX hardware requirement for lighting solution.
« on: November 19, 2010, 08:44:46 pm »
The reason for the choice of IPOD touch is the neat feature that was show using the remote with Gyro on the LinuxMCE Video on Wiki. Since IPOD touch / Iphone have the angular velocity sensors unlike my Samsung Galaxy S

Developers / Re: LinuxMCE / KNX hardware requirement for lighting solution.
« on: November 19, 2010, 08:40:36 pm »
Thank you hari for the reply. And thanks so much for replying to my post, you are the one who has show me the right direction and opened my eyes to KNX.

I understand Enocean does not use a battery, but I would need to buy the hardware which is redundant since I would be using IPOD touch as the chosen way to interact.

And I don't see how that will solve the problem that may arise when there is a network/controller failure. I need help on a solution to lighting incase of a system failure.

Developers / Re: LinuxMCE / KNX hardware requirement for lighting solution.
« on: November 19, 2010, 08:21:52 pm »
Thank you for your reply

ABB products are availaible in India. I am meeting a sales guy tomorrow.

In the mean time after reading a lot about KNX and going through some manuals. I have understood a few basics. I have gone through the product manual of DALI-Gateway DG/S 8.1 from ABB since I was interested in lighting and everywhere I explored the only word people swear by is DALI. I have figured out the wiring and working of DALI-Gateway. I figured out that I need a IP/KNX gateway to interface with my LAN there by enabling me to connect my computer to assign addresses to each of the lighting nodes.

I have read about EnOcean Radio Receiver. This does not fit into my scheme of things. I am planning on using an IPOD Touch / IPAD / Android phone / pad as the controller. I have also decided that LinuxMCE will be my chosen platform, since there would be a lot of media streaming involved once we are done with the lighting.

I am trying to figure out what happens if something goes wrong with the network and since I do not have any physical switches, and there would be no way of getting to control the lights. Me and my friend discussed this at length and he was strongly suggesting Z-wave since it fits into the existing conventional wiring and the worst case scenario, we get rid of the Z-wave switch and install a normal physical switch. To be honest the promotional Video of Micasaverde Vera got me interested in HA, but sadly no hardware or support is availaible in India. I have to deal with two standards and source my equipment from Europe, since US is on 110V and to make matters worse there is a different frequency for India ( India: 865.22 MHz CEPT*: 868.42 MHz ). So if Z-Wave does launch in India my existing investment is down the tube. I have written to Z-Wave, not even an automated mail which is the least you would expect of a global alliance. so long story short, Z-wave is out of my scheme of things.

I am sure KNX being a standards based system someone has already figured out what to do incase the network goes down. Any help is welcome, I am a voracious reader and worked with Hardware technical support for Dell as well as troubleshooting network issues for Verizon. So I will figure out building the computers, NAS boxes, dlna network media players. Right now I need to know what to if and when things don't work as planned with my lighting.

Developers / LinuxMCE / KNX hardware requirement for lighting solution.
« on: November 18, 2010, 11:49:07 am »
I am new to LinuxMCE

I have been exploring Home automation and in due coarse with Hari's encouragement and a google video on LinuxMCE I decided that I would use LinuxMCE for my project.

I was considering a Z-Wave Vera based solution with ACT Dimmers to kick off my HA project, I was going to later add a Global Cache GC-100 for interacting with my AV equipment. A NAS device for storing media. I would later expand the project scope by including network media players for each room, IP cameras Schlage Z-Wave deadbolt locks.

In the course of my exploration I happened to write an email to Hari and that changed things forever. He was kind to reply and suggested I use KNX/Instabus for my HA project.

I did not know anything about LinuxMCE or KNX, sleepless nights and google kind of helped me scratch the surface.

So here I am looking for links documents on KNX implementation and Hardware. Can someone using KNX help me the the Hardware they use for lighting solution. I have read on multiple forums about Z-Wave status polling either delayed or at times inaccurate. I am looking for a solution that can use KNX and Z-Wave together. As well as exploring solutions to eliminate Z-Wave completely and depend only on KNX.

Looking for all the help I can get. I am in India and on 220V.

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