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We have some very special promotions on Dianemo Software Licenses (Current release is for Ubuntu 12.04LTS Desktop) and configuration vouchers - Please PM me here if you want to purchase any of the offers below;
Note: all offers are available world wide to non commercial customers ie if your a pro-installer you DO NOT QUALIFY.

UPDATE - We now have a single 'Offer 2' license remaining. If you've been thinking about getting Dianemo then PM me today please if your interested. Thanks - UPDATE

Offer 2 - Dianemo 12.04 Software Licenses are still available at a big discounted price of $299 USD (a $100 saving). All Dianemo licenses include free updates and upgrades to 14.04LTS when available. Please contact me asap to qualify for this offer.

Offer 4 - Dianemo Raspbmc-CEC Upnp Media Player Software http://www.ellipticalcurve.com/dianemo-products-services/. Turns a Rpi into a full blown Upnp media player & CEC controller. We have our own CEC control package and have integrated that with Raspbmc. This allows you to run your Dianemo system without MD's. Works with most recent HDMI equipped TV's. Allows you to get 'SmartTV' type features without needing to purchase a new SmartTV. Image installs on an SD card. Boots into Raspbmc on Rpi & requires just a few simple config changes in Web Admin on your Dianemo NC. **Note: New Dianemo Raspbmc-CEC orders will be available for download on Sept 30**

You can see the all new Athena Orbiter in action here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQAeGia26A&authuser=0

and also here;

http://youtu.be/zZNbyPvTbhQ


All Offers must be paid for by Paypal (no other payments accepted). We expect these to go very quickly so don't hesitate if your interested.

All the best


Andy

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Users / Re: Why Do Media Directors Exist?
« on: Today at 01:09:16 pm »
Thats what's great about lmce to me....options.....I had ui2 and I used the ui2 to "wow" people.  But I also used the gyration remote without using it as a air mouse and thanks to (i think was) tom who worked on it, its functionality was similar to a normal ir entertainment center remote. The ability to  press one button, bring up mythtv and flip through channels using the channel change buttons, then as company walked in bring up that floorplan while watching the game is great.  Then other times I used my phone/tablet. The least convenient in my opinion was using my phone/tablet,  but like I say,  with a md you have options. Just my 2 cents. It sounds as though Dianemo will not have the option to implement a rpi as a full md?

Well never say never re MD's but I can't see us doing an Rpi MD ourselves - there's nothing to stop anyone choosing to back port the lmce Rpi MD though (at least in principal). We do have the Dianemo Raspbmc-CEC software though that does almost everything a full MD can do apart from run UI2 + Overlay.

All the best

Andy

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Users / Re: Why Do Media Directors Exist?
« on: September 29, 2014, 06:11:57 pm »
I understand the 'wow' factor that UI2 + Overlay has. But it also has, in a significant number of cases, the opposite reaction from family members. We used to use UI2 + Overlay as our standard config on MD's and we stopped doing that because for many people it looked dated and was a challenge to use with a gyration style remote too. It's one of those features that looks great in a demo when someone see's it used briefly as it delivers a lot of eye-candy - but in real use its actually not that friendly to navigate or use (we have plenty of user feedback on that!).

Secondly it proved to be the single most frustrating setup area for both installers & for software customers. getting reliable installs on MD's using UI2 + overlay was always a challenge and very often tripped people up. Using a SmartTV, a Rpi based media player or a commercial media player presents a much less challenging UI as it aligns more closely with how other devices work, and for most people seems more familiar to them in use. I'm certainly not holding up SmartTV's or even Raspbmc as having the best UI in the world, but in general they seem to be easier for most casual users to handle.

One last thing, obviously running a full MD/Orbiter on a Rpi is now possible. But you still have all the complexity of the MD/Orbiter code base to deal with and fighting X etc when configuring the MD. Our experience of that with large numbers of systems, and even larger overall numbers of MD's, is that you can expect a high failure rate of those MD's from software issues. Combine that with major energy savings and you have a big reason to not use MD's (obviously if your using Rpi hardware energy use is not a factor either way of course).

All the best

Andy

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Users / Re: Android mobile/cell phone orbiter selection & help
« on: September 27, 2014, 09:35:42 am »
i just meant due to asking to many questions about the vpn

Sure. Remote access on Dianemo doesn't require a VPN though.

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Marketplace / New Athena Orbiter & UI Layer - Media Playback
« on: September 26, 2014, 05:04:56 pm »
Just in time for your weekend enjoyment we've posted another demo video of the Athena UI in action. This time my co-worker Steve is demoing our newly added support for video media browsing & playback controls. This time we're also demonstrating the fact that the Athena Orbiter can be accessed from any modern web browser by doing the demo on a MacBook in Safari.

We'll be uploading more videos in the next few weeks as we implement more of the Athena UI. If you have any questions about the Athena UI or any other aspect of Dianemo please post them hear.

http://youtu.be/zZNbyPvTbhQ

All the best

Andy

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Marketplace / New Athena Orbiter & UI Layer Screenshots
« on: September 24, 2014, 03:35:32 pm »
I've posted a few new images of ongoing Athena UI Skin development to our Facebook page. In the past I've posted images like these here directly, but this time I'm testing just posting a link to the Facebook post instead (feedback welcomed on this);

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dianemo-Home-Automation/226019387454465?hc_location=timeline

In the new screenshots you will see we've added new icons for Lighting & Climate at the far right-hand end of the icon bar. The second image shows a 'work in-progress' screenshot of the lighting screen complete with dynamic sliders for dimming lights. I'll be posting more of these in the coming weeks as things develop.

As ever if you have any questions about Dianemo or Athena please post them here and i will do my best to answer them.

All the best

Andy

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Users / Re: Android mobile/cell phone orbiter selection & help
« on: September 24, 2014, 02:42:04 pm »
I am trying to get an orbiter working on my cell for outside my network but while i'm at home as well.  I want to have access while at work or out of state.  I have messed with all versions a little but cannot get outside to work.  I really like the UI of web orbiter.  Don't really like the Qorbiter UI.  Is it better to add orbiter on admin page and set up then install to phone or other way around?  I have a pic view of my firewall rules.  Does it matter if i select qorbiter or generic proxy orbiter to add since its going on my cell phone?  I have the galaxy s3.  Huge thanks in advance for any reply's.

This response is a little off track but bare with me - first some background on how we provide remote access in Dianemo; Currently Dianemo only has an 'official' iOS Orbiter App. This is a native iOS App written in Objective-C. Our iOS App does support both access to Dianemo inside your home and a secure access when you are away from home (as long as you have an internet connection). Remotely our iOS Orbiter, or a Web Orbiter running in a browser, can connect back to your Dianemo system home securely using our Remote Access service whereby your Orbiter connects to Cloud based Remote Access service and this provides a secure connection back to your Dianemo system at home.

But of course you want a solution that works on an Android device not iOS. In late December this year we will release an update that contains our new Athena Orbiter UI layer. See here for a video demo of the Athena Orbiter running on an iPad and demonstrating one of our prototype HTML5 UI skins; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQAeGia26A&authuser=0


Our Athena Orbiter is written in HTML5 and will run in any modern HTML5 compliant browser on any OS - so Android will be supported day one. We will also have an updated iOS App and a new Android App that will implement our new Athena code too at that time. Athena will also support our Remote Access Cloud service mentioned above. When Athena is released we will also provide several example HTML5 based UI skins that will be fully documented so that if you wanted too you could modify or duplicate a skin and use it as a starting point for your own fully customised Orbiter UI design. You would need to understand some HTML5 to make changes but thats all - you would not need to understand in dept the rest of the system to make changes to the UI.

None of this will initially apply to LinuxMCE but late next year some of the full Athena UI layer may be made available in LinuxMCE too. In the meantime we are looking for people to become part of the beta test program for Athena which we expect to start in late Oct or early Nov (you do need a Dianemo installation to participate in this though)

All the best

Andy


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The main point I tried to make is: Yes, HTML5 design is much easier done than the original Orbiter work. But it still is not something that one can easily do on a single weekend, if one doesn't have any background in HTML "coding"

I didn't quantify how long it would take to learn HTML5 - but knowing Bulek I think he already has skill in this area. But I think the broader point is that many people here already have enough knowledge of HTML to easily cope with building a skin especially if they use an existing Dianemo Athena skin as their starting point. We will add plenty of notes and remarks to our standard Athena skins so that understanding the structure of the skins makeup will not be difficult.

Personally I cannot wait to see what users come up with, both in terms of improvements and adaptations to our standard skins, and to brand new designs they've invented too.

Andy

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Users / Re: Raspberry Pi as UPnP player under Dianemo
« on: September 23, 2014, 12:38:22 pm »
Hi Andrew,

How can I get the firmware of Dianemo for my Rpi.

Thanks,

Heinz

Hi Heinz,

You can download Raspbmc for Rpi for free from here; http://www.raspbmc.com/download/

If you'd like integrated HDMI-CEC control from Dianemo of the TV attached to your Rpi then we offer a Dianemo Raspbmc-CEC package that adds our CEC control software. See here for details of Offer-4; http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=8880.msg99946#msg99946

Or PM or email me if you have any questions.

All the best

Andy

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Andrew,

I think, you simplify the generation of a new skin dramatically. There is a reason, why people get paid for being web screen developers. It is not easy task, and frankly, I would be pissed if all of a sudden something I am using in a system I've paid for is no longer working like it used to. Just ask Tschak how often I've beaten him with a baseball bat because some change caused havoc on existing stuff.

Well anyone that has a Dianemo system will have known that these changes were coming well in advance and were given plenty of time to change to another Skin. We very rarely end support for a feature and in this case it only effects some of the original LMCE skins - we have only had a single user be affected in fact. So we assessed the impact as about as close to zero as it could be.

Our move to HTML5 for our Athena Orbiter UI is all about making adapting, changing and designing UI's more accessible. Yes you do need some basic design sensibilities aligned with some basic HTML skills. But taking an existing UI eg the Basic skin from UI1 and implementing it in HTML5 is not at all difficult and there are plenty of graphical editors available if you prefer to work that way and plenty of information available for you to educate yourself via too. We feel that opening our UI up via HTML5 offers an incredibly accessible entry point for anyone to get into customising their system - yes as with anything we will see some badly designed screens & UI's but thats not a reason to not give people the opportunity to experiment. We will also see many graphically talented people do some great new designs because for the first time they can use their existing skills to implement a Dianemo UI. Something no designer would ever be able to do with a tool like HADesigner.

All the best

Andy

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Hi,

it seems that someone thought on access to those scenarios. In newest skin (St.George or something), lighting button brings you to those scenarios - but only those from Lighting group. Then Climate button brings you to Floorplan instead of Climate scenarios. I assume that cause there is separate Floorplans button probably for the purpose of seeing all possible floorplans... Only button for Media Scenarios is not there...

Anyway, we will probably stay with UI1 - my family just got too familiar with that screen. It's a pity we cannot use Audio...

Regards,
Bulek.

Well with Athena there is no reason why you could not design a new Athena UI skin that looks and behaves exactly like the old UI1 skin you love ;-). All you'd need to do is design a layout in HTML5 to emulate the old skin and your done.

Thats the power of Athena's HTML5 based skins & Orbiter!

All the best

Andy

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Hello,

quite some time Audio media playing feature has not been working for us. When we tried to start Audio, got errors about non-existing Entertainment Area. Radu gave me advice to try new skin and it seems that Audio is not working anymore under UI1 skin. I know this skin is old, but we've been using it all the time on our main touchscreen.

Now to retain Audio features, we have to move to newer skins, but we got quite dissapointed, cause newer skins don't support some vital screens - at least for us. Our house is fully automated one and we have practically everything automated (also fully integrated Ventilation system, Heat Pump and whole house audio system with two channels and 5 audio zones).

To be able to control such a beast, we had created a lot of scenarios, that are showed in separate buttons on UI1 main screen (see attachment). We have at least 12 such scenarios for each main category (listed in left column). Also we liked quad view camera screens - we have two such screens, one for internal and one for external cams.
But we're a bit said, cause newer skins seem to be not supporting mentioned features anymore. Only Lighting button brings you to Lighting scenarios, but in our system this is only smaller part of all scenarios.

I think that those screens are really important for a system that appears to be full automation solution for residential use. My family members got used to those buttons (scenarios), even our grandma stayed with us for a few days and she used some additional scenarios created especially for her quite extensively.

Currently, we will probably keep UI1 and sacrifice Audio, but we would like to start discussion about this matter. We feel that perhaps we're not the only missing those features. We would also like to hear opinion from Dianemo - is it changing its focus to more media oriented system ?

Thanks in advance for discussion,

regards,

Bulek.

Hi Bulek,

We're sorry but there are some breakages in the old UI1 skins due to changes we have been making over the last several months to the underlying system as we moved the audio side of the system to be fully integrated with LMS. However we are working on our Athena Orbiter which is written in HTML5 and it may well be that you can re-create your UI1 skin functionality in a customised Athena skin and at the same time get all the new advanced audio features too.

All the best

Andy

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What I meant was replace the LMCE parts so that LMCE will be totally open. We already have a personal license.

Looking at the state of the current kickstarter campaign fills me with nothing but sadness. Either something is wrong with what is communicated or it is not communicated through enough channels. Can any of the (linuxmce&dianemo) users here comment why they don't support it and what would make them change their mind and start backing the project???

Well that's kind of what I meant too re bringing code back into LMCE.

Re the lack of backers on Kickstarter - we've actually had a lot of feedback via email and of course none of that is visible on Kickstarter. Of course we'd have loved for the current Kickstarter project to have got backed by thousands of people. But if we don't meet our goal then we will put together a new Kickstarter project with a different set of goals and a range of other changes too. So yes it's frustrating but it's also a great lesson too.

I'd obvious be very pleased if forum members post their views on our Kickstarter here as you suggested. Any and all perspectives/views will be listened to and welcomed.

All the best

Andy

PS Any suggestions re the current, or indeed future, Kickstarter campaigns would be best posted here in this thread so that everyone can see them. I've had some PM's from quite a few people - I appreciate your input very much. But can i ask that if you have any positive or negative suggestions (keep it clean please ;-) ) then please post them here unless they also contain anything private. Thanks.

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I understand that you feel you need to protect it. However I don't think that it will really take of quickly if it is not really open. My feeling saids we need some companies like yours or in other areas (and preferably bigger) that really support and push forward the system. I think it's to risky business wise to build on software like this if it is not really open (and no big company supporting it, and even those fuck up most of the time in the long run somewhere). It could work if the base is open (like linuxmce and you have some nice add-ons that make it more smooth but the basic should function.

However since the relative little response here in the community I suppose most here are cheapskates not willing to donate even one penny to make it really open. Never expected it to be that way. The only excuse is that it is not clearly stated that your work will make linuxmce also get rid of the current constrictions (and to me that is also still not clear).

We want Open Dianemo to be as 'open' as we can make it while balancing the commercial side of our business. The challenges of just using GPLv3 for the whole of Dianemo are many - we've already had some experience of other companies trying to re-sell Dianemo as theirs. So there is some resistance to opening that flood gate (it might only be a trickle ;-)...but that might still be pretty damaging commercially). If we were a large business that could just 'out develop' any competitor that came along and used forked a GPLv3 Open Dianemo release then that would be ok. But we could find that a relatively well funded competitor took our source and built a competing product using it - that could leave us in a situation where we loose.

We're doing our best to find a middle ground and I think we have a pretty good one right now. We will Open Source something like 80% (a rough estimate...could be more or a little less) of the code and place the remainder under a new DPL. If you make code changes to the GPL parts of Open Dianemo then those changes will remain Open. If you make changes to the DPL parts of Dianemo then those changes would remain under the DPL, but accessible freely for non-commercial use. The only restriction on the DPL will be for commercial use - and we will have a range of commercial licensing options for all sizes of business. Those options will span everything from a one person 'mom & pop' sized business up to big commercial partners. The licensing costs for the 'small guy' will be very reasonable indeed - we want those businesses to exist and thrive. There are many forum members that have wanted to build businesses around Dianemo over the years - and i mean considerably more than 250+ over the years, we've always had to turn them away as we could not offer them a commercially viable (for them) deal. So that will change completely. The licensing deals will  increase in price based on the scale & type of business that needs the license. But for everyone else there will be a free and open version they can do whatever they want with - and if anyone subsequently wants to build a business off the back of their private use/experience of Open Dianemo then at any time they can do that, simply by getting a commercial license at the price point that fits their business size.

I think that will be seen by most people as reasonable - at least I hope so.

An we would welcome LMCE taking our Open Dianemo source and integrating it with the LMCE code base. Yes there would be that approx. 20% that would be DPL but for personal use that would have no impact at all.

All the best

Andy

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The restriction of the PPL is that you cannot use LMCE commercially. There is no restriction to your personal use however.

With the DPL we will have a range of commercial licenses available. Some will be designed for small companies or private individuals that want to build a business around Dianemo and some will be designed for larger companies. And of
course there will be no restrictions at all to non-commercial use.

We feel that's a big improvement on what we have currently.

Andy

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