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Title: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: davidsmoot on April 16, 2010, 03:00:09 pm
Saw this on Engadget.com and thought it was interesting although probably not much use to LMCE.  It is an FCC filing on a device that comes from Nokia's spun off home automation division.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=526869&fcc_id=%27X35-TG800Z%27 (https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=526869&fcc_id=%27X35-TG800Z%27)

The interesting part is the draft user manual where it talks about jumping into the box via telnet to configure Z-wave devices.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1266293&native_or_pdf=pdf (https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1266293&native_or_pdf=pdf)

Just thought those that read this forum might find it interesting.
David
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: totallymaxed on April 16, 2010, 03:44:11 pm
Saw this on Engadget.com and thought it was interesting although probably not much use to LinuxMCE.  It is an FCC filing on a device that comes from Nokia's spun off home automation division.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=526869&fcc_id=%27X35-TG800Z%27 (https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=526869&fcc_id=%27X35-TG800Z%27)

The interesting part is the draft user manual where it talks about jumping into the box via telnet to configure Z-wave devices.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1266293&native_or_pdf=pdf (https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1266293&native_or_pdf=pdf)

Just thought those that read this forum might find it interesting.
David


Its the Nokia developed ZWave Gateway that was shown in proto form last year. Its a nice platform and its open too. We're looking at using an off-Core ZWave controller like this to externalise the ZWave controller ie treat it like another network peripheral

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: nite_man on April 16, 2010, 09:26:29 pm
There is another Z-Wave controller based on ASUS router - Vera (http://www.micasaverde.com/index.php). It also looks interesting
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Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: donpaul on April 17, 2010, 05:48:54 pm
There is another Z-Wave controller based on ASUS router - Vera (http://www.micasaverde.com/index.php). It also looks interesting
.

I have bee watching vera for a while, and would buy it myself if I wasn't so invested with LinuxMCE. I wonder if it is worth integrating with LinuxMCE instead of using the native z-wave/cameras.
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: Lexje on April 18, 2010, 10:53:40 am
I think the Vera is a bit of a touchy subject around here...  and I'm certainly not trying to start anything or pretend I know the story, but two years or so ago there were a couple posts about the Vera... after a number of heated posts the thread(s) was deleted.  I think there is a connection between one of/the creator of Pluto and Vera.   This could be all wrong. 

I would respectfully like to ask for opinions towards the micasaverde project.
Indeed I don't want to be disrespectful towards anybody, but I have come to following conclusion:
- I pay way too much for my power consumption, hence I consume too much power. (BE / EU)
- My electricity bill can grossly be subdivided in 3 parts:
  a) 1/3 to H²O bed heating (<-> I will solve this by implementing a solar boiler)
  b) 1/3 to all my CPU's, NAS & little homeservers etc. (<-> getting much more aware of this each day,and looking into low-power   solutions s.a. Atom CPU etc.) I realize here lies my main opportunity to save.
  c) 1/3 remainder of life, cooking, laundry, light etc. (<-> some improvement may be made over time using better lighting appliances)

Previously I had my DCErouter running on 2.6.28-11, after doing a new install, reverting back to 2.6.27-17, I noticed an increase of approx. 10W in power consumption... (see image attached)
Overall, this makes me think more & more towards distributed power, only using it when really needed, and having one low-power controller always on.
In this regard micasaverde seems like an interesting combination?

Is there any REAL objection to combining / using with LMCE? Or does this intervene with PPL licencing?

Thanks for your ideas!

Erwin
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: hari on April 20, 2010, 09:47:59 am
Vera is a very nice product, one of the best z-wave "gateways" available.

br Hari
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: wierdbeard65 on April 21, 2010, 09:17:22 am
Previously I had my DCErouter running on 2.6.28-11, after doing a new install, reverting back to 2.6.27-17, I noticed an increase of approx. 10W in power consumption... (see image attached)
Hey Erwin!

(Slightly) off-topic, but what device / utility do you use to monitor your power useage? That screenshot looks cool and I'd love to nail down the high users in my home too!

TIA
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: chrisbirkinshaw on April 21, 2010, 08:06:35 pm
Is Micasaverde based on pluto?
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: nite_man on April 21, 2010, 11:43:22 pm
Is Micasaverde based on pluto?

It isn't related with pluto at all :) The cool thing with Micasaverde is that. It's based on Asus router. So, you can use it as router, WiFi access point and Z-Wave controller. Plus it offers control of AV equipment and surveillance.
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: totallymaxed on April 22, 2010, 12:33:44 am
Is Micasaverde based on pluto?

It isn't related with pluto at all :) The cool thing with Micasaverde is that. It's based on Asus router. So, you can use it as router, WiFi access point and Z-Wave controller. Plus it offers control of AV equipment and surveillance.

Well that's not strictly true... some of the development team worked on Pluto in the past...

Andrew
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: nite_man on April 22, 2010, 08:42:46 am
Quote
Well that's not strictly true... some of the development team worked on Pluto in the past...

I meant technically :)
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: hari on April 22, 2010, 10:22:57 am
Micasaverde (Vera) also uses DCERouter, but all the plugins and devices have been rewritten. If you ask me it is one of the best z-wave stacks available (yes, it is better than our Z-Wave device).

br Hari
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: chrisbirkinshaw on April 23, 2010, 01:57:25 am
Micasaverde (Vera) also uses DCERouter, but all the plugins and devices have been rewritten. If you ask me it is one of the best z-wave stacks available (yes, it is better than our Z-Wave device).

br Hari

I guessed as much, because some time ago in their forums they stated it would be simple to add X10 support because LMCE supports it.

I'm seriously considering getting one of these things. I do like the web DT control of LMCE though, and I would certainly miss that. If there is some rest interface or similar to the box I might consider diving in and making a GSD driver for LMCE.

BTW, has anyone looked at openzwave?

Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: chrisbirkinshaw on April 23, 2010, 06:47:43 pm
Just saw that the source code for Vera has been released, that it is based on pluto, and that they are supporting and promoting heavily a UPnP based plugin system called Luup (offering upto $100k to developers contributing). Maybe this work could one day come back into LMCE and then LMCE could benefit from Luup plugin development?
Title: Micasaverde
Post by: Lexje on April 23, 2010, 07:16:11 pm
Luup is the contraction of Lua (programming language) and UPnP as stated Introduction to Luup development (http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Luup_Intro)
More info about Lua here (http://www.lua.org/about.html) and also
a Linuxjournal article (http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9605) about Lua on Linux.

I haven't used it yet, and I'm not (much of) a programmer (yet), but I'm under the impression its a bit similar to e.g. perl and ruby.
Perhaps more knowledgeable programmers can help out here.

Best regards,

Erwin
Title: Re: Interesting home automation device in the news, Router + Z-wave controller
Post by: totallymaxed on April 25, 2010, 04:31:12 pm
Just saw that the source code for Vera has been released, that it is based on pluto, and that they are supporting and promoting heavily a UPnP based plugin system called Luup (offering upto $100k to developers contributing). Maybe this work could one day come back into LinuxMCE and then LinuxMCE could benefit from Luup plugin development?

The only part that is 'Open' is the OpwnWRT firmware, DCErouter and a few libraries...the DCE plugins they ship and the ZWave stack are locked down 100%...so I would not really see that as 'Open'. The plan for LinuxMCE is to make all of the codebase 100% GPL but even now the source to the PPL code is accessible and you can look it over and see how it works etc.

Andrew