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General => Users => Topic started by: skeptic on January 08, 2010, 12:10:49 am

Title: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: skeptic on January 08, 2010, 12:10:49 am
I just started looking into MakeMKV for blu-ray support.  My linux desktop is currently doing a dist-upgrade.  Once it's done and I have time I'm going to see what I can come up with.  At the moment it appears MakeMKV is able to stream blu-ray, including BD+, to a .mkv file or via network to a player capable of playing network streams (ie VLC, I believe mplayer, others).  One issue is there does not appear to be a CLI, only a gui interface, but when I get a chance to install it I'll look. 

http://themediaviking.com/software/bluray-linux/
http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=612
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: niz23 on January 09, 2010, 05:29:35 pm
There´s a lot of talk about bluray on mplayer and xine irc channels.
Afaik the latest mplayer devel release even support playback of encrypted blueray.

As you say makemv is another nice app. Lot´s of talk about that too on irc.
As Matroska containers nowadays support chapters and subtitles in it´s container
makemkv can rip a dvd, blueray in a good way.

/niz23
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: skeptic on January 09, 2010, 08:51:12 pm
Say that again, mplayer dev release supports playback of encrypted blu-ray?  Is there a link to more info on this?

FWIW, MakeMKV thusfar is not working for me.  I got it installed, but I'm unable to rip the one and only blu-ray dvd I have.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: niz23 on January 09, 2010, 10:42:25 pm
Yes. Have to do some more research to find out if it is something that is really working. Lots of discussion is re à new lib, libblueray which seem to play à major role.
I Will see what i can dig up.
/niz23
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: skeptic on January 09, 2010, 10:58:42 pm
Fantastic news indeed.  If the decrypting can be done via library and just leave mplayer or whatever else to deal with playing then LMCE should be able to support seamless blu-ray support just like dvds. 
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: colinjones on January 09, 2010, 11:03:25 pm
the progress seems a bit spotty, and the libbluray project seems to have moved tracs but can't see where. it seems clear that the really hard work is going to be getting the JVM working to provide the menus, almost nothing at all has been done on that yet, but the decryption side seems pretty close, so exciting nonetheless!
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: domotiqa.com on February 16, 2010, 03:00:01 pm
what about this version of mplayer:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1327197

here:

Quote
I'm using mplayer with a little patch and a library for bluray playback on my HTPC.

You just nedd to install the library and apply the patch to latest mplayer source.


Then you can playback blurays with
mplayer bluray://playlist:chapter//mountPath
playlist ans chapters are optional parameters.

e.g.: mplayer bluray:///media/cdrom0

more informations are in the readme file.

Supports AACS until mkb 10, (backwards and forwards) seeking and movies, which are splitted over more than one file.

Needs openssl 0.9.8 to be installed!

If you have any questions just ask.
Attached Files
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Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: domotiqa.com on February 17, 2010, 10:44:29 am
and the libbluray moved here:
http://my-trac.assembla.com/libbluray/
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: domotiqa.com on March 08, 2010, 10:28:53 pm
very interresting script with makemkv and stream function:
http://forum.xbmc.org/showpost.php?p=485766&postcount=7
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: tux-box1 on January 12, 2012, 07:54:30 pm
Video lan is getting very close to a lib.
http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=95937 (http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=95937)
If one of our super uber coders can look into this that would be nice. Just a look, I'm not expecting any work yet.
I know that LMCE has a VLC option instead of xine.
Is this something we can look forward to?
As for the more questionable stuff, can we enable most of what is able to be inabled with out crossing the line and have the user complete the rest on their own. Like how dvdcss is done now.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: l3mce on January 12, 2012, 09:52:42 pm
LMCE cannot offer OOTB support for bluray.

If you can make yours work, so be it... but it cannot be implemented or supported... and frankly... it should not even be discussed in forum.

I am not affiliated with LMCE in any official capacity. Just telling it like it is. This is verboten.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: davegravy on January 13, 2012, 12:04:47 am
LMCE cannot offer OOTB support for bluray.

If you can make yours work, so be it... but it cannot be implemented or supported... and frankly... it should not even be discussed in forum.

I am not affiliated with LMCE in any official capacity. Just telling it like it is. This is verboten.

What should never be discussed in the forum?

Clearly the interest in having blueray ripping/decryption/playback support is solely for those of us who make our own HD family home videos, encrypt+burn them to bluray, and need a means to play them back.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: l3mce on January 13, 2012, 12:20:05 am
It draws unwanted attention... and it has been stated several times that we can't openly support it. It is just too contentious an issue.

Again... it is not my position to speak for lmce... but a quick forum search will draw heaps of threads where the position is explained.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: Esperanto on January 14, 2012, 01:16:55 pm
Sorry but this makes no sense to me. If you say LMCE does not and will not support blu-ray it is even drawing more attention. Since then you force people who want to play HD to download the contents (if they want to stick to lmce as the playback device). And anno 2012 if you install lmce you are using state of the art home solution you are not gonna settle for SD.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: davegravy on January 14, 2012, 03:15:12 pm
Sorry but this makes no sense to me. If you say LMCE does not and will not support blu-ray it is even drawing more attention. Since then you force people who want to play HD to download the contents (if they want to stick to lmce as the playback device). And anno 2012 if you install lmce you are using state of the art home solution you are not gonna settle for SD.

Agree 100% except that LMCE seems to want to shift the risk to the end user - whether the user chooses to download their HD content, or come up with their own solution for playing encrypted bluray.

As far as I can tell, bluray has nearly been a complete flop, the future is in streamed and/or downloaded media, and internet bandwidth is only going up. I don't like giving the MAFIAA a victory as much as the next guy, but this is one battle I'd be willing to give in on for the sake of the war at large.

Besides, if someone comes up with a solution for patching in bluray support to the project, and documented it on their own website, it's unlikely that the LMCE team would or could do much about it.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: l3mce on January 14, 2012, 07:40:26 pm
Agree 100% except that LMCE seems to want to shift the risk to the end user - whether the user chooses to download their HD content, or come up with their own solution for playing encrypted bluray.

As far as I can tell, bluray has nearly been a complete flop, the future is in streamed and/or downloaded media, and internet bandwidth is only going up. I don't like giving the MAFIAA a victory as much as the next guy, but this is one battle I'd be willing to give in on for the sake of the war at large.

Besides, if someone comes up with a solution for patching in bluray support to the project, and documented it on their own website, it's unlikely that the LMCE team would or could do much about it.

EEEEEEEEExactly.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: davegravy on January 14, 2012, 08:08:52 pm

Besides, if someone comes up with a solution for patching in bluray support to the project, and documented it on their own website, it's unlikely that the LMCE team would or could do much about it.

EEEEEEEEExactly.


Just make sure, whoever takes this up, that you don't live in a country which has tight extradition ties with the US: http://torrentfreak.com/tvshack-admin-can-be-extradited-to-us-judge-rules-120113/ (http://torrentfreak.com/tvshack-admin-can-be-extradited-to-us-judge-rules-120113/)
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: tux-box1 on January 16, 2012, 03:00:56 am
I was never looking for "Out Of The Box" support for blu ray techenicaly Linuxmce doesn't support "Out Of The Box" for encrypted dvd viewing ether. I was only pointing out that video-lan "VLC" has something real close. Much like xine, and mplayer have something real close. The last mentioned players don't play encrypted dvd's with out a special lib that the user must choose to obtain. I'm only asking if the new version of VLC can be implemented in to Linuxmce.. It will be up to the user to obtain the lib for any extra features.

I fail to understand what the difference would be.
Current working option. A player that supports all kinds of files that has an optional lib that the user must obtain.
Proposed working option. A player that supports all kinds of files that has an optional lib that the user must obtain.

Legal comments aside, I completely understand what the legal problem is.
The option I suggest relives Linuxmce of any liability.

thank you for your patience.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: bugui on January 17, 2012, 07:38:28 pm
Hello,
But I don't understand, what is the "legal difference" or what could be "out of the law", if we "play dvds" using lmce MDs or Core (supported by LMCE), or getting a way to "play blueray disks" w/ lmce (that is not supported).

Hernán
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: davegravy on January 17, 2012, 08:18:43 pm
Out of the box, lmce doesn't play dvds, same goes for bluray. The user needs to install the appropriate libraries manually to allow DVDs to play. If libraries become available to allow bluray playback, the same will be true.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: tux-box1 on January 18, 2012, 12:13:00 am
Out of the box, lmce doesn't play dvds, same goes for bluray. The user needs to install the appropriate libraries manually to allow DVDs to play. If libraries become available to allow bluray playback, the same will be true.
This is what I was pointing out when I linked video lan's new VLC player, it supports bluray via a library provided separately just like libdvdcss is provided separately.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: merkur2k on January 18, 2012, 08:23:39 am
here is what it comes down to:
it is fine to discuss integrating someone else's software, as long as that software is not explicitly illegal.
it is not fine to discuss techniques for circumventing the drm or encryption on the bluray discs.
Title: Re: hope for blu-ray afterall..
Post by: tux-box1 on January 19, 2012, 04:01:16 am
here is what it comes down to:
it is fine to discuss integrating someone else's software, as long as that software is not explicitly illegal.
it is not fine to discuss techniques for circumventing the drm or encryption on the bluray discs.

OK.. got it.
Is the new VLC player illegal? I haven't found information on that.
The extra component on the other hand .... I cease and desist.
I would think such conversation was covered under the freedom speech, but I digress.
That's the last I'll speak of it.

The player on the other hand. Has any one had luck with VLC at all. I tried it once and never got any thing out of it other than a fresh install.