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General => Users => Topic started by: Viking on November 18, 2009, 12:41:37 pm

Title: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: Viking on November 18, 2009, 12:41:37 pm
Hi,

my current Reciever is as far as I can tell "giving up on me".
Therefore I am looking for a new one that can be controlled by LinuxMCE - either by RS-232, network or whatever. Pricing should be around 500€ (or less).

It should have 7.1 (only will need 5.1 now) and possibly decode the new Bluray HD audio fomats.


Attached to it right now is only one MD with optivcal out. Plans are getting an Acer Revo (or ASUS eeebox) with HDMI out later.

The Yamaha RX-VXX00 were recommended here http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6699.0
But thats a year ago and maybe things have changed. And they either don't decode DTS HD and the other formats or don't fit in the pricing scheme (500€).

Greetings
Viking
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: totallymaxed on November 18, 2009, 03:06:17 pm
Hi,

my current Reciever is as far as I can tell "giving up on me".
Therefore I am looking for a new one that can be controlled by LinuxMCE - either by RS-232, network or whatever. Pricing should be around 500€ (or less).

It should have 7.1 (only will need 5.1 now) and possibly decode the new Bluray HD audio fomats.


Attached to it right now is only one MD with optivcal out. Plans are getting an Acer Revo (or ASUS eeebox) with HDMI out later.

The Yamaha RX-VXX00 were recommended here http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6699.0
But thats a year ago and maybe things have changed. And they either don't decode DTS HD and the other formats or don't fit in the pricing scheme (500€).

Greetings
Viking

Any of the Denon range of AV Receivers can be completely controlled - we use these often in installations.

Andrew
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: coley on November 18, 2009, 06:42:41 pm
the denon avr1910 has all you want and you should be able to find it at that price point too.
I am on the same quest to upgrade my receiver and like the sound from the denons. Won't be making the plunge till next year so if you go first let us know what you pick!

-Coley.
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: Viking on November 18, 2009, 11:59:13 pm
Hi Andrew and Coly,

thanks for your feedback :)

How do I control the denon using an Acer Revo ?
USB2serial adapter ?

Greetings
Viking
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: totallymaxed on November 19, 2009, 09:30:50 am
Hi Andrew and Coly,

thanks for your feedback :)

How do I control the denon using an Acer Revo ?
USB2serial adapter ?

Greetings
Viking

A USB Serial adapter will work or you can use a small IP based serial server (the GC100 is such a device...but there are numerous others that just create IP addressable serial ports) and then locate your Amp anywhere you can run some CAT5.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: jbr on November 19, 2009, 01:25:57 pm
...and speaking of receivers...
I have plasma in my livingroom and I'm planning to add a projector as well. I will not have the need to use the plasma and the projector at the same time as the screen will cover the plasma... I just want to be able to choose either the plasma or the projector.

How can this be solved?

There are receivers with 2 HDMI out but they are few and expensive. Imho, the one with best value for money is the Marantz 6004. Not sure if it can be controled by LinuxMCE though.

Are there other options?
Some sort of controlable HDMI-switch perhaps?
Graphic board with 2 x HDMI out?
HDMI + DVI out from MD?

Or is there an obvious simple solution that I just don't see...?



/jbr
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: totallymaxed on November 19, 2009, 03:27:16 pm
...and speaking of receivers...
I have plasma in my livingroom and I'm planning to add a projector as well. I will not have the need to use the plasma and the projector at the same time as the screen will cover the plasma... I just want to be able to choose either the plasma or the projector.

How can this be solved?

There are receivers with 2 HDMI out but they are few and expensive. Imho, the one with best value for money is the Marantz 6004. Not sure if it can be controled by LinuxMCE though.

Are there other options?
Some sort of controlable HDMI-switch perhaps?
Graphic board with 2 x HDMI out?
HDMI + DVI out from MD?

Or is there an obvious simple solution that I just don't see...?

/jbr

Yes this can be done. Most current AV Receivers have multiple HDMI inputs and a single HDMI monitor output. This HDMI monitor output can be routed through a 1-2 HDMI switcher with RS232 control and the appropriate output can be switched to when either the Projector or Plasma is required. This will need some device templates and scenarios to be created and possibly some other additions to allow for each type of display to be selected or to have that sensed in someway automatically...maybe if the projector is 'off' the system would automatically default to the Plasma.... etc etc


All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: UNi on November 19, 2009, 07:39:40 pm
Andrew,

What are you using to control the Denon receiver's volume?  In 7.10 I could control the volume of the Denon using my Gyration remote, but can no longer do so.  This is on the core though.

Thanks,
James
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: Skywalker on November 19, 2009, 09:20:49 pm
the denon avr1910 has all you want and you should be able to find it at that price point too.
I am on the same quest to upgrade my receiver and like the sound from the denons. Won't be making the plunge till next year so if you go first let us know what you pick!

-Coley.

Hi
I looked at the specs of the Denon 1910 and couldn't find anything about a rs232 interface.
http://www.denon.de/site/popup/index.php?Pid=414&action=start&ver=&p=ansicht&jump=# (http://www.denon.de/site/popup/index.php?Pid=414&action=start&ver=&p=ansicht&jump=#)
How do you control the receiver?

Sky
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: jbr on November 19, 2009, 10:57:58 pm
Hi
I looked at the specs of the Denon 1910 and couldn't find anything about a rs232 interface.
http://www.denon.de/site/popup/index.php?Pid=414&action=start&ver=&p=ansicht&jump=# (http://www.denon.de/site/popup/index.php?Pid=414&action=start&ver=&p=ansicht&jump=#)
How do you control the receiver?

Sky

Hi, I think you have to move up to the 2310 to get the RS232 interface. Reasonable price on that one as well I would say.

/jbr

Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: totallymaxed on November 20, 2009, 09:56:41 am
the denon avr1910 has all you want and you should be able to find it at that price point too.
I am on the same quest to upgrade my receiver and like the sound from the denons. Won't be making the plunge till next year so if you go first let us know what you pick!

-Coley.

Hi
I looked at the specs of the Denon 1910 and couldn't find anything about a rs232 interface.
http://www.denon.de/site/popup/index.php?Pid=414&action=start&ver=&p=ansicht&jump=# (http://www.denon.de/site/popup/index.php?Pid=414&action=start&ver=&p=ansicht&jump=#)
How do you control the receiver?

Sky

The 1910 has no RS232...it has IR though.

Andrew
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: totallymaxed on November 20, 2009, 10:03:47 am
Andrew,

What are you using to control the Denon receiver's volume?  In 7.10 I could control the volume of the Denon using my Gyration remote, but can no longer do so.  This is on the core though.

Thanks,
James

We dont use Gyration remotes so I cant comment on those. It could be a aide effect of Tom's new HID code...there's a thread on that somewhere. Do a search.

Apart from that once you have IR or RS232 control setup you can use a local IR remote on the Core, an IR Remote on an MD, a Nokia with orbiter software installed...just select the room you want to control (ie the one where the Amplifiers is located) in the Orbiter and you can do anything you could do if you were standing in front of the MD in that room controlling it directly.

All courtesy of the power of DCE :-)


All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: Viking on November 20, 2009, 12:35:11 pm
The 1910 has no RS232...it has IR though.

Andrew

So "Any of the Denon range of AV Receivers can be completely controlled" means they can then be controlled by IR ?

Greetings
Viking
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: posde on November 20, 2009, 03:47:35 pm
Viking,

every Denon receiver can be controlled via IR, i.e. USB-UIRT or IRTrans.

A lot of the Denon receiver have RS-232 ports as well. The Denon homepage is very informative re finding out, which ones do have RS-232 ports.
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: totallymaxed on November 20, 2009, 04:19:38 pm
The 1910 has no RS232...it has IR though.

Andrew

So "Any of the Denon range of AV Receivers can be completely controlled" means they can then be controlled by IR ?

Greetings
Viking


Yep exactly...or rs232 where its provided.

Andrew
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: Viking on November 20, 2009, 07:29:50 pm

Hi Andrew, Hi Pos,

OK, thanks :)

And they are they controlled correctly using IR  - meaning that they are switched correctly on and off ?

I have an USB-UIRT, but not used it yet. But I would prefer RS-232. Lets see what I will find out.

Viking
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: chrisbirkinshaw on November 20, 2009, 07:50:26 pm
Onkyo receivers are also controllable via RS232. I have both Denon and Onkyo and they are comparable.

Regards,

Chris
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: posde on November 20, 2009, 09:41:00 pm
Viking,

another tid bit: I would re-think the need for 7.1 - I have a 7.1 setup in my HT and with VERY few films it is detectable. Better get a used one with RS-232 than a new one with IR only.
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: totallymaxed on November 21, 2009, 11:14:03 am

Hi Andrew, Hi Pos,

OK, thanks :)

And they are they controlled correctly using IR  - meaning that they are switched correctly on and off ?

I have an USB-UIRT, but not used it yet. But I would prefer RS-232. Lets see what I will find out.

Viking

Yes they are controlled correctly for on/off using either RS232 or IR (you can use a MCE Transceiver to do the blasting too)

We prefer RS232 too...its very reliable and is not prone to missing commands or 'interference' from other IR sources etc.  Posde suggestion of looking for a second hand Denon with RS232 over a new one without is also very sensible.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: Viking on November 22, 2009, 07:56:51 pm
Thanks for your input. I will think about it. I would really preffer rs-232.

One thing though tells me to go for 7.1 ;) The current reciever is over 7 years old and it is a struggle to get new hardware once it is there (wife "problem" ;) ). So I will probably be stuck with it for at least 5 years. So it should be compatibel for what I would want in those years ;)

Viking
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: bulek on November 24, 2009, 01:12:45 am
Hi,

I'm using Marantz Sr5600 for several years now and it just works flawlessly. Great decision, never regreted - it's controlled over rs232 (in my case as two independent outputs - two zones configuration).

In my living room there is some non rs232 amplifier hooked up to MD and TV and USB UIRT and I after 1 year I still haven't set it up properly. I'll probably purchase another rs232 controlled receiver sooner than do proper setup for it... :-)


Regards,

Bulek.
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: colinjones on November 24, 2009, 09:05:21 pm
bulek - what template are you using for your Marantz? I have butchered mine together because the standard one (that Hari was working on) has a problem where the bidirectional features cause video to stop playing immediately that you start it. Neither of us have any idea why... at first Hari thought it was due to the Marantz using/reporting negative numbers for volume levels, but that seems not to be the case now. I just created my own modified template with only the basics and no bidirectionality and left it at that, as I found fiddling with it always broke it again!
Title: Re: What current European Recievers are controllable with LinuxMCE ?
Post by: trentend on December 01, 2009, 02:03:16 am
Onkyo receivers are also controllable via RS232. I have both Denon and Onkyo and they are comparable.

Regards,

Chris


I'm putting together my system at the moment, and I'm going Onkyo.  Why? They're good audio quality for the money, have a range of good options throughout the range, and have well documented control codes.  I need one from the TX-SR7xx range, as I need pre-outs for my seperate stereo (front left and right) amplifier.  By buying the last model (while it is still available), I can get (a currently 706) for about 2/3 of the new model price.

I think this is a nice priced option.  I'll let everyone know, in time, how I get on integrating it with linuxmce.