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Title: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Dale_K on December 11, 2008, 04:53:19 pm
I'm not sure where to put this in the wiki so I'm posting it here.  If someone could let me know I'd be happy to put it in the appropriate section of the wiki.

It's a very specific hardware combination so I'm not even sure it's really worth listing in the wiki.

I have two Sharp TV's, LC-C5255U and LC-C4255U (52" and 42" LCDs).  After finally getting NIC and Video straight on the eee box (big thanks to the community for the help in that).  I hooked up the eee box to my Sharp 42 using a DVI>HDMI cable and the screen was flashing black (like the TV was trying to resync).  Did the exact same thing on my 52" Sharp.  It works fine if I plugged into the VGA port but I want the VGA port for my computer and 1080p on the MD.

It worked fine on a Sony 42" and a Phillips 52".  So after roughly 4 hrs. on the phone with Sharp the ultimate verdict was "We don't support DVI>HDMI"

So ultimately, I'm just letting people know that MD DVI to Sharp Aquous 42/52 HDMI = Go outside and play hide and go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Zaerc on December 11, 2008, 08:12:30 pm
Sounds like a modeline issue that could be sorted with some effort.  Their verdict seems like a desperate cop-out to me, especially after it took them 4 hours to figure out.

I'd say add the TVs to the wiki and put the official Sharp party line in there.  That could at least save another poor soul 4 hours on the phone with them.  And if you find suitable modelines lateron you can post them there too.
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: tkmedia on December 11, 2008, 08:36:25 pm
I am using hdmi - hdmi from my abit anm2hd to sharp aquos 42 Lc64du  at 1080p and its working fine.


Tim
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: posde on December 11, 2008, 08:39:27 pm
It might be worth noting that I had problems with a blank screen using DVI->HDMI adapter with a Pioneer LX-5080 as well. Using a different adapter helped to sort things out (the original ATI adapter worked fine.)

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Dale_K on December 11, 2008, 09:04:35 pm
Sounds like a modeline issue that could be sorted with some effort.  Their verdict seems like a desperate cop-out to me, especially after it took them 4 hours to figure out.

I'd say add the TVs to the wiki and put the official Sharp party line in there.  That could at least save another poor soul 4 hours on the phone with them.  And if you find suitable modelines lateron you can post them there too.

I don't think it's an LMCE problem because the flashing occurs at boot.  Boot splash, BIOS, Post, etc.


I am using hdmi - hdmi from my abit anm2hd to sharp aquos 42 Lc64du  at 1080p and its working fine.

Yeah, HDMI>HDMI works fine, problem is that the Asus b202 doesn't have HDMI, only DVI

It might be worth noting that I had problems with a blank screen using DVI->HDMI adapter with a Pioneer LX-5080 as well. Using a different adapter helped to sort things out (the original ATI adapter worked fine.)

I thought it might be the cable at first as well, I tried two different cables (Belkin and Radio Shack), both with the same results on the Sharp and both worked fine on other TV brands.

Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: niz23 on December 11, 2008, 09:44:32 pm
Im using my eeebox connected to a Panasonic 50" plasma using a DVI->HDMI cable. (Its a converter cable, not dongle + hdmi cable)

I have flicker when booting (as long as the kernel is in text-mode) which is probably related to that my plasma cannot sync correctly.

All other resolutions that is enabled in lmce (AVWizard) by default work out of the box.
720p, 1080p work without problem.
Have not foudna way to pixelmap 1366x768 yet though.

Since the eeebox can output 1080p and my plasma accept it, it must mean that asus/intel have implemented hdcp. Otherwise 720p would be max resolution.

DVI and HDMI is electrically identical so you lcd should accept the signal.

The only differences I can see with yours and my setup is the cable.

Do some more research on your lcd.
Is there others that have succeded in using a dvi->hdmi converter to attach a computer to the lcd you have.
I see no real reason why it should not work.
It´s probably a modeline issue?

You did not mention if you ever see a picture?
You should at least the eeebox logo when the box start.

/niz23
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: niz23 on December 11, 2008, 09:46:31 pm
Take a look at this,
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database#Sharp_LC-46X20E

It might be of some help to you.

/niz23
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: posde on December 11, 2008, 10:19:50 pm
Since the eeebox can output 1080p and my plasma accept it, it must mean that asus/intel have implemented hdcp. Otherwise 720p would be max resolution.

niz, what does HDCP have to do with 1080p?

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: tschak909 on December 11, 2008, 10:34:32 pm
Possy, some TV's only allow use of 1080p _IF_ a complete HDCP handshake has been done between the TV and the other device.. Otherwise, the content is downscaled.

Bullshit, really. but such is DRM.

-Thom
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: posde on December 11, 2008, 10:44:54 pm
Interesting.

It was my understanding (from all the HDMI reading i have done) that the media player would look at the HDCP handshake to determine what is being sent over the link.

Thanks Thom.

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: patmankn on December 17, 2008, 12:29:04 pm
Dale_K,

to get a proper modeline runnning, i installed a "little xp" setup and let the new Nvidia driver do the setup.
Afterwards i copied the setting in the Advanced setup and put that into my xorg.conf.

mybe this is of help: http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6353.msg38613#msg38613

Yours,

Patrick
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: krys on December 17, 2008, 05:49:39 pm
Since you are using the DVI out on the eee box did have you tried going into the AV wizard and once the screen goes black hit "1" then enter. Anytime I use a DVI connection my screen shows the boot process then goes black the first time, it was explained to me that the AV wizard always defaults to VGA output, and when you hit "1" while in setup it tells it to use the DVI output.
Maybe you already tried this, but I thought I would post anyway.
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Dale_K on December 17, 2008, 09:24:20 pm
Update on this:

I have now tried 4 different brands of DVI>HDMI cables and every modeline I could find that even hinted that it worked with Sharp.

All have same result, picture is displayed fine but flashes black.  I've just given up and put my Fiire invisible on this TV and moved the Asus box to my Sony TV where it works fine.

I'm anxious to get an Asus eee B206 box as it has an HDMI port and dedicated graphics but Asus says they won't be released in the US until about March 09.
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: niz23 on December 21, 2008, 10:35:04 am
DaleK,

I will wait for nVidia ION based products.
They will use less than 20W of power during full load at the same time you get an
9400 based mobile GPU that will support the new video decode APIs that nVidia is building.

Basically a very powerful media player device.

See, http://www.nvidia.com/object/sff_ion.html

/niz23
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Zaerc on December 21, 2008, 12:49:59 pm
DaleK,

I will wait for nVidia ION based products.
They will use less than 20W of power during full load at the same time you get an
9400 based mobile GPU that will support the new video decode APIs that nVidia is building.

Basically a very powerful media player device.

See, http://www.nvidia.com/object/sff_ion.html

/niz23


Just such a shame that it will probably be next to useless for us non-windows users...
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: posde on December 21, 2008, 03:24:03 pm
[..]They will use less than 20W of power during full load at the same time you get an
9400 based mobile GPU that will support the new video decode APIs that nVidia is building.
[..]
Just such a shame that it will probably be next to useless for us non-windows users...

As niz23 pointed out, the GPU is one of those GPUs supported by the VDPAU (http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13109 (http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13109)). afaict from the current information, this means support for non-Windows users is available.

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: niz23 on December 21, 2008, 03:25:04 pm
Zaerc.

DaleK,

I will wait for nVidia ION based products.
They will use less than 20W of power during full load at the same time you get an
9400 based mobile GPU that will support the new video decode APIs that nVidia is building.

Basically a very powerful media player device.

See, http://www.nvidia.com/object/sff_ion.html

/niz23


Just such a shame that it will probably be next to useless for us non-windows users...


I don´t get it.
Why whould this unit be near useles for Linux users?

It´s the same base chipset thats used in the newer Mac Airbook.

/niz23
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Zaerc on December 21, 2008, 03:58:26 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: totallymaxed on December 21, 2008, 05:06:31 pm
DaleK,

I will wait for nVidia ION based products.
They will use less than 20W of power during full load at the same time you get an
9400 based mobile GPU that will support the new video decode APIs that nVidia is building.

Basically a very powerful media player device.

See, http://www.nvidia.com/object/sff_ion.html

/niz23


Just such a shame that it will probably be next to useless for us non-windows users...


...the Ion test boards are already running Kubuntu 810 so I dont get your comment?

Andrew
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: totallymaxed on December 21, 2008, 08:31:51 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Zaerc on December 21, 2008, 09:05:53 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: totallymaxed on February 03, 2009, 05:10:17 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Zaerc on February 03, 2009, 07:51:01 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Dale_K on February 03, 2009, 09:46:10 pm

...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

From a user view, I agree.  I don't find alphablending "confusing" but I do prefer the overlay.  I just like my menu system to be distinct from the content.
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: totallymaxed on February 03, 2009, 09:49:56 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...


But they work and they are what we have currently. Not using them or ignoring them is certainly not going to encourage better driver support. They may 'suck' but users can get excellent performance right now...as long as they dont want 'marvel' at alphablended images rather than actually see and enjoy their video content... most people I talk to seem to want the latter rather than the former ;-)

All the best Andrew
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Zaerc on February 03, 2009, 09:54:18 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...


But they work and they are what we have currently. Not using them or ignoring them is certainly not going to encourage better driver support. They may 'suck' but users can get excellent performance right now...as long as they dont want 'marvel' at alphablended images rather than actually see and enjoy their video content... most people I talk to seem to want the latter rather than the former ;-)

All the best Andrew

Yeah you get excellent performance as long as you don't use the only feature that sets them apart from other chipsets that do have open-source drivers and would therfore be much more worthwhile to invest in.  In other words...
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: totallymaxed on February 03, 2009, 10:15:38 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...


But they work and they are what we have currently. Not using them or ignoring them is certainly not going to encourage better driver support. They may 'suck' but users can get excellent performance right now...as long as they dont want 'marvel' at alphablended images rather than actually see and enjoy their video content... most people I talk to seem to want the latter rather than the former ;-)

All the best Andrew

Yeah you get excellent performance as long as you don't use the only feature that sets them apart from other chipsets that do have open-source drivers and would therfore be much more worthwhile to invest in.  In other words...

We actually get excellent performance. Period... as we would not use alphablending even if it worked flawlessly. By the way we build system that use Intel, ATI and nVidia GPU's... we use each of these GPU's pretty much equally (ATI possibly a little less than the other two currently) depending on situation/needs of the system were building.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Zaerc on February 03, 2009, 10:20:33 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...


But they work and they are what we have currently. Not using them or ignoring them is certainly not going to encourage better driver support. They may 'suck' but users can get excellent performance right now...as long as they dont want 'marvel' at alphablended images rather than actually see and enjoy their video content... most people I talk to seem to want the latter rather than the former ;-)

All the best Andrew

Yeah you get excellent performance as long as you don't use the only feature that sets them apart from other chipsets that do have open-source drivers and would therfore be much more worthwhile to invest in.  In other words...

We actually get excellent performance. Period... as we would not use alphablending even if it worked flawlessly. By the way we build system that use Intel, ATI and nVidia GPU's... we use each of these GPU's pretty much equally (ATI possibly a little less than the other two currently) depending on situation/needs of the system were building.

All the best

Andrew
Yeah excellent performance, right up to switching to the alpha blended UI2, which is the only reason for going with nvidia anyway.  Period...
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: totallymaxed on February 03, 2009, 10:37:09 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...


But they work and they are what we have currently. Not using them or ignoring them is certainly not going to encourage better driver support. They may 'suck' but users can get excellent performance right now...as long as they dont want 'marvel' at alphablended images rather than actually see and enjoy their video content... most people I talk to seem to want the latter rather than the former ;-)

All the best Andrew

Yeah you get excellent performance as long as you don't use the only feature that sets them apart from other chipsets that do have open-source drivers and would therfore be much more worthwhile to invest in.  In other words...

We actually get excellent performance. Period... as we would not use alphablending even if it worked flawlessly. By the way we build system that use Intel, ATI and nVidia GPU's... we use each of these GPU's pretty much equally (ATI possibly a little less than the other two currently) depending on situation/needs of the system were building.

All the best

Andrew
Yeah excellent performance, right up to switching to the alpha blended UI2, which is the only reason for going with nvidia anyway.  Period...


Well as I said never use the Alphablended UI - so for us its just simply no an issue. We choose our motherboards/chipsets based on energy footprint, I/O, connectivity, fanless or Heatpipe cooling and the physical size of the enclosure we can wrap around all of this. I guess you'd call this a 'platform' approach to hardware...our goal is to build/choose components that deliver reliability and stability. We're 'agnostic' about which flavour of GPU we use. Our customers really dont care which GPU is 'inside'.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Zaerc on February 04, 2009, 01:00:08 am
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...


But they work and they are what we have currently. Not using them or ignoring them is certainly not going to encourage better driver support. They may 'suck' but users can get excellent performance right now...as long as they dont want 'marvel' at alphablended images rather than actually see and enjoy their video content... most people I talk to seem to want the latter rather than the former ;-)

All the best Andrew

Yeah you get excellent performance as long as you don't use the only feature that sets them apart from other chipsets that do have open-source drivers and would therfore be much more worthwhile to invest in.  In other words...

We actually get excellent performance. Period... as we would not use alphablending even if it worked flawlessly. By the way we build system that use Intel, ATI and nVidia GPU's... we use each of these GPU's pretty much equally (ATI possibly a little less than the other two currently) depending on situation/needs of the system were building.

All the best

Andrew
Yeah excellent performance, right up to switching to the alpha blended UI2, which is the only reason for going with nvidia anyway.  Period...


Well as I said never use the Alphablended UI - so for us its just simply no an issue. We choose our motherboards/chipsets based on energy footprint, I/O, connectivity, fanless or Heatpipe cooling and the physical size of the enclosure we can wrap around all of this. I guess you'd call this a 'platform' approach to hardware...our goal is to build/choose components that deliver reliability and stability. We're 'agnostic' about which flavour of GPU we use. Our customers really dont care which GPU is 'inside'.

All the best

Andrew

Allright then, nvidia closed sourced drivers are the best thing ever, because your customers couldn't care less, I'm glad we could finaly settle this.  ::)

And you know, this reminds me of some other company selling lmce based machines too, who made a special deal involving closed source drivers too, didn't turn out so well for them in the end (or so I heard).  Somehow their customers suddenly started caring when their machines stopped working as advertized because the drivers didn't work properly with later versions.
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: totallymaxed on February 04, 2009, 02:38:53 am
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...


But they work and they are what we have currently. Not using them or ignoring them is certainly not going to encourage better driver support. They may 'suck' but users can get excellent performance right now...as long as they dont want 'marvel' at alphablended images rather than actually see and enjoy their video content... most people I talk to seem to want the latter rather than the former ;-)

All the best Andrew

Yeah you get excellent performance as long as you don't use the only feature that sets them apart from other chipsets that do have open-source drivers and would therfore be much more worthwhile to invest in.  In other words...

We actually get excellent performance. Period... as we would not use alphablending even if it worked flawlessly. By the way we build system that use Intel, ATI and nVidia GPU's... we use each of these GPU's pretty much equally (ATI possibly a little less than the other two currently) depending on situation/needs of the system were building.

All the best

Andrew
Yeah excellent performance, right up to switching to the alpha blended UI2, which is the only reason for going with nvidia anyway.  Period...


Well as I said never use the Alphablended UI - so for us its just simply no an issue. We choose our motherboards/chipsets based on energy footprint, I/O, connectivity, fanless or Heatpipe cooling and the physical size of the enclosure we can wrap around all of this. I guess you'd call this a 'platform' approach to hardware...our goal is to build/choose components that deliver reliability and stability. We're 'agnostic' about which flavour of GPU we use. Our customers really dont care which GPU is 'inside'.

All the best

Andrew

Allright then, nvidia closed sourced drivers are the best thing ever, because your customers couldn't care less, I'm glad we could finaly settle this.  ::)

And you know, this reminds me of some other company selling LinuxMCE based machines too, who made a special deal involving closed source drivers too, didn't turn out so well for them in the end (or so I heard).  Somehow their customers suddenly started caring when their machines stopped working as advertized because the drivers didn't work properly with later versions.


Well we have never made any 'deals' with anyone for 'special' graphics drivers - and we never have or will do. We use the normal/standard drivers for each GPU we support... just like all the other LinuxMCE users here on the Forum do. The most we ever do is try newer releases of the standard drivers for the GPU's we build into our products... and we always report the positive & negative impact of those experiments here in the Forum or in the Wiki for all to see and benefit from.

What other companies policies are in this area is for them to decide not ours.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Zaerc on February 04, 2009, 10:40:54 am
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...


But they work and they are what we have currently. Not using them or ignoring them is certainly not going to encourage better driver support. They may 'suck' but users can get excellent performance right now...as long as they dont want 'marvel' at alphablended images rather than actually see and enjoy their video content... most people I talk to seem to want the latter rather than the former ;-)

All the best Andrew

Yeah you get excellent performance as long as you don't use the only feature that sets them apart from other chipsets that do have open-source drivers and would therfore be much more worthwhile to invest in.  In other words...

We actually get excellent performance. Period... as we would not use alphablending even if it worked flawlessly. By the way we build system that use Intel, ATI and nVidia GPU's... we use each of these GPU's pretty much equally (ATI possibly a little less than the other two currently) depending on situation/needs of the system were building.

All the best

Andrew
Yeah excellent performance, right up to switching to the alpha blended UI2, which is the only reason for going with nvidia anyway.  Period...


Well as I said never use the Alphablended UI - so for us its just simply no an issue. We choose our motherboards/chipsets based on energy footprint, I/O, connectivity, fanless or Heatpipe cooling and the physical size of the enclosure we can wrap around all of this. I guess you'd call this a 'platform' approach to hardware...our goal is to build/choose components that deliver reliability and stability. We're 'agnostic' about which flavour of GPU we use. Our customers really dont care which GPU is 'inside'.

All the best

Andrew

Allright then, nvidia closed sourced drivers are the best thing ever, because your customers couldn't care less, I'm glad we could finaly settle this.  ::)

And you know, this reminds me of some other company selling LinuxMCE based machines too, who made a special deal involving closed source drivers too, didn't turn out so well for them in the end (or so I heard).  Somehow their customers suddenly started caring when their machines stopped working as advertized because the drivers didn't work properly with later versions.


Well we have never made any 'deals' with anyone for 'special' graphics drivers - and we never have or will do. We use the normal/standard drivers for each GPU we support... just like all the other LinuxMCE users here on the Forum do. The most we ever do is try newer releases of the standard drivers for the GPU's we build into our products... and we always report the positive & negative impact of those experiments here in the Forum or in the Wiki for all to see and benefit from.

What other companies policies are in this area is for them to decide not ours.

All the best

Andrew

That is completely besides the point, now what if nvidia can't or (decides it) won't support newer kernel versions anymore?  You'll be going down the same road, special deals or not and there will be nothing you can do about it.
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: totallymaxed on February 04, 2009, 11:33:02 am
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...


But they work and they are what we have currently. Not using them or ignoring them is certainly not going to encourage better driver support. They may 'suck' but users can get excellent performance right now...as long as they dont want 'marvel' at alphablended images rather than actually see and enjoy their video content... most people I talk to seem to want the latter rather than the former ;-)

All the best Andrew

Yeah you get excellent performance as long as you don't use the only feature that sets them apart from other chipsets that do have open-source drivers and would therfore be much more worthwhile to invest in.  In other words...

We actually get excellent performance. Period... as we would not use alphablending even if it worked flawlessly. By the way we build system that use Intel, ATI and nVidia GPU's... we use each of these GPU's pretty much equally (ATI possibly a little less than the other two currently) depending on situation/needs of the system were building.

All the best

Andrew
Yeah excellent performance, right up to switching to the alpha blended UI2, which is the only reason for going with nvidia anyway.  Period...


Well as I said never use the Alphablended UI - so for us its just simply no an issue. We choose our motherboards/chipsets based on energy footprint, I/O, connectivity, fanless or Heatpipe cooling and the physical size of the enclosure we can wrap around all of this. I guess you'd call this a 'platform' approach to hardware...our goal is to build/choose components that deliver reliability and stability. We're 'agnostic' about which flavour of GPU we use. Our customers really dont care which GPU is 'inside'.

All the best

Andrew

Allright then, nvidia closed sourced drivers are the best thing ever, because your customers couldn't care less, I'm glad we could finaly settle this.  ::)

And you know, this reminds me of some other company selling LinuxMCE based machines too, who made a special deal involving closed source drivers too, didn't turn out so well for them in the end (or so I heard).  Somehow their customers suddenly started caring when their machines stopped working as advertized because the drivers didn't work properly with later versions.


Well we have never made any 'deals' with anyone for 'special' graphics drivers - and we never have or will do. We use the normal/standard drivers for each GPU we support... just like all the other LinuxMCE users here on the Forum do. The most we ever do is try newer releases of the standard drivers for the GPU's we build into our products... and we always report the positive & negative impact of those experiments here in the Forum or in the Wiki for all to see and benefit from.

What other companies policies are in this area is for them to decide not ours.

All the best

Andrew

That is completely besides the point, now what if nvidia can't or (decides it) won't support newer kernel versions anymore?  You'll be going down the same road, special deals or not and there will be nothing you can do about it.


Well its not really beside the point as you suggested in your earlier post that we had made some kind of deal around proprietary licensed drivers - we haven't. But if for some reason nVidia were to stop developing their binary driver (which I very much doubt they will) then we would just provide a replacement ATI based based card.

I'm really not sure what point your trying to make in this thread but if you have a personal thing about nVidia then thats fine... just dont buy their products. Such extremely 'purist' views on binary driver are something I dont personally subscribe too...but I fully support your right to hold them. However I dont think its useful to try to force this on others.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Zaerc on February 04, 2009, 12:56:09 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...


But they work and they are what we have currently. Not using them or ignoring them is certainly not going to encourage better driver support. They may 'suck' but users can get excellent performance right now...as long as they dont want 'marvel' at alphablended images rather than actually see and enjoy their video content... most people I talk to seem to want the latter rather than the former ;-)

All the best Andrew

Yeah you get excellent performance as long as you don't use the only feature that sets them apart from other chipsets that do have open-source drivers and would therfore be much more worthwhile to invest in.  In other words...

We actually get excellent performance. Period... as we would not use alphablending even if it worked flawlessly. By the way we build system that use Intel, ATI and nVidia GPU's... we use each of these GPU's pretty much equally (ATI possibly a little less than the other two currently) depending on situation/needs of the system were building.

All the best

Andrew
Yeah excellent performance, right up to switching to the alpha blended UI2, which is the only reason for going with nvidia anyway.  Period...


Well as I said never use the Alphablended UI - so for us its just simply no an issue. We choose our motherboards/chipsets based on energy footprint, I/O, connectivity, fanless or Heatpipe cooling and the physical size of the enclosure we can wrap around all of this. I guess you'd call this a 'platform' approach to hardware...our goal is to build/choose components that deliver reliability and stability. We're 'agnostic' about which flavour of GPU we use. Our customers really dont care which GPU is 'inside'.

All the best

Andrew

Allright then, nvidia closed sourced drivers are the best thing ever, because your customers couldn't care less, I'm glad we could finaly settle this.  ::)

And you know, this reminds me of some other company selling LinuxMCE based machines too, who made a special deal involving closed source drivers too, didn't turn out so well for them in the end (or so I heard).  Somehow their customers suddenly started caring when their machines stopped working as advertized because the drivers didn't work properly with later versions.


Well we have never made any 'deals' with anyone for 'special' graphics drivers - and we never have or will do. We use the normal/standard drivers for each GPU we support... just like all the other LinuxMCE users here on the Forum do. The most we ever do is try newer releases of the standard drivers for the GPU's we build into our products... and we always report the positive & negative impact of those experiments here in the Forum or in the Wiki for all to see and benefit from.

What other companies policies are in this area is for them to decide not ours.

All the best

Andrew

That is completely besides the point, now what if nvidia can't or (decides it) won't support newer kernel versions anymore?  You'll be going down the same road, special deals or not and there will be nothing you can do about it.


Well its not really beside the point as you suggested in your earlier post that we had made some kind of deal around proprietary licensed drivers - we haven't. But if for some reason nVidia were to stop developing their binary driver (which I very much doubt they will) then we would just provide a replacement ATI based based card.

I'm really not sure what point your trying to make in this thread but if you have a personal thing about nVidia then thats fine... just dont buy their products. Such extremely 'purist' views on binary driver are something I dont personally subscribe too...but I fully support your right to hold them. However I dont think its useful to try to force this on others.

All the best

Andrew

Maybe I  should have used the word "even" instead of "too" then, as I guess it is to much to expect native english speakers to do a bit of comprehensive reading. 

And yeah I'm avoiding their products as much as I can, I surely don't need you to tell me that.  Allthough somehow I fail to see how I'm "forcing my views onto others" though, as it's not like I'm personally stripping all nvidia support out of lmce. :P 

By the way, that other company didn't hold "such extremely 'purist' views" either, but somehow burrying their heads in the sand just didn't work for them.  Now clever people tend to learn from others' mistakes instead of making the same ones all over again.  But hey suit yourself and just keep supporting next to useless abominations like closed source binary-only drivers.


Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: totallymaxed on February 04, 2009, 02:38:49 pm
They can't even produce decent linux drivers for their current hardware (tearing anyone?).  And I don't see any indication of change in the near future, meaning more crappy binary-only drivers of which we can only consider ourselves lucky if they even work at all...

At best things will sort-of work like they do now with inferior drivers.  Excuse me if I consider that "next to useless" as I know you guys just can't wait to throw more money at them for doing such an appalling job.

Well we find that with the right motherboard/processor/ram combination and UI2 + Overlay the performance is very good. We are currently using this board and are very pleased with it http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_P5N7A-VM)

Andrew

And what exactly is wrong with UI2 + alphablending then?


...UI2 + Alphablending causes degraded mpeg performance... tearing during video playback. In addition feedback from our customers told us that they found the alphablended UI confusing and it reduced usability because of that. So because of both of these issues we currently never use it for customer systems... and would not even if the tearing issue was was fixed.

Andrew

So basicly the drivers suck...


But they work and they are what we have currently. Not using them or ignoring them is certainly not going to encourage better driver support. They may 'suck' but users can get excellent performance right now...as long as they dont want 'marvel' at alphablended images rather than actually see and enjoy their video content... most people I talk to seem to want the latter rather than the former ;-)

All the best Andrew

Yeah you get excellent performance as long as you don't use the only feature that sets them apart from other chipsets that do have open-source drivers and would therfore be much more worthwhile to invest in.  In other words...

We actually get excellent performance. Period... as we would not use alphablending even if it worked flawlessly. By the way we build system that use Intel, ATI and nVidia GPU's... we use each of these GPU's pretty much equally (ATI possibly a little less than the other two currently) depending on situation/needs of the system were building.

All the best

Andrew
Yeah excellent performance, right up to switching to the alpha blended UI2, which is the only reason for going with nvidia anyway.  Period...


Well as I said never use the Alphablended UI - so for us its just simply no an issue. We choose our motherboards/chipsets based on energy footprint, I/O, connectivity, fanless or Heatpipe cooling and the physical size of the enclosure we can wrap around all of this. I guess you'd call this a 'platform' approach to hardware...our goal is to build/choose components that deliver reliability and stability. We're 'agnostic' about which flavour of GPU we use. Our customers really dont care which GPU is 'inside'.

All the best

Andrew

Allright then, nvidia closed sourced drivers are the best thing ever, because your customers couldn't care less, I'm glad we could finaly settle this.  ::)

And you know, this reminds me of some other company selling LinuxMCE based machines too, who made a special deal involving closed source drivers too, didn't turn out so well for them in the end (or so I heard).  Somehow their customers suddenly started caring when their machines stopped working as advertized because the drivers didn't work properly with later versions.


Well we have never made any 'deals' with anyone for 'special' graphics drivers - and we never have or will do. We use the normal/standard drivers for each GPU we support... just like all the other LinuxMCE users here on the Forum do. The most we ever do is try newer releases of the standard drivers for the GPU's we build into our products... and we always report the positive & negative impact of those experiments here in the Forum or in the Wiki for all to see and benefit from.

What other companies policies are in this area is for them to decide not ours.

All the best

Andrew

That is completely besides the point, now what if nvidia can't or (decides it) won't support newer kernel versions anymore?  You'll be going down the same road, special deals or not and there will be nothing you can do about it.


Well its not really beside the point as you suggested in your earlier post that we had made some kind of deal around proprietary licensed drivers - we haven't. But if for some reason nVidia were to stop developing their binary driver (which I very much doubt they will) then we would just provide a replacement ATI based based card.

I'm really not sure what point your trying to make in this thread but if you have a personal thing about nVidia then thats fine... just dont buy their products. Such extremely 'purist' views on binary driver are something I dont personally subscribe too...but I fully support your right to hold them. However I dont think its useful to try to force this on others.

All the best

Andrew

Maybe I  should have used the word "even" instead of "too" then, as I guess it is to much to expect native english speakers to do a bit of comprehensive reading. 

And yeah I'm avoiding their products as much as I can, I surely don't need you to tell me that.  Allthough somehow I fail to see how I'm "forcing my views onto others" though, as it's not like I'm personally stripping all nvidia support out of LinuxMCE. :P 

By the way, that other company didn't hold "such extremely 'purist' views" either, but somehow burrying their heads in the sand just didn't work for them.  Now clever people tend to learn from others' mistakes instead of making the same ones all over again.  But hey suit yourself and just keep supporting next to useless abominations like closed source binary-only drivers.

As I said earlier in the thread we support and use all three major GPU families and will continue to do so. We see this as a good approach. Unlike that 'other' company we are not backing a single GPU or driver. Its good to see people with strongly held views on closed source putting their money where their 'mouth' is though I have to say - applaud you ;-)

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Dale_K on February 04, 2009, 04:59:57 pm
You know, Windows doesn't have these driver problems Zaerc, maybe that's a good option for you.



Hehe, I'm totally kidding man, I just wanted to make your head explode.
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: Zaerc on February 04, 2009, 10:17:56 pm
You know, Windows doesn't have these driver problems Zaerc, maybe that's a good option for you.



Hehe, I'm totally kidding man, I just wanted to make your head explode.
Oh that is sooo funny. ::)
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: alx9r on March 29, 2009, 03:21:50 am
Dale_K,
Did you ever got your eee box working with your sharp aquos tv? 

Currently I have two aquos tvs:
1x LC-42D65U
1x LC-42D64U

I was hoping I could use an eeebox as an MD with one of them but then I found this thread.

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: alx9r on April 04, 2009, 07:37:09 pm
I hooked up the eee box to my Sharp 42 using a DVI>HDMI cable and the screen was flashing black (like the TV was trying to resync). 

I see the same flashing black problem with my eeebox b202 and sharp aquos LC-42D65U.
Title: Re: Sharp Aquous with Asus eee b202
Post by: alx9r on April 05, 2009, 07:35:49 am
I thought that I'd report my findings in full here in case it helps anyone:

Connecting my eeebox b202 to an Aquos LC-42D65U or LC-42D64U via HDMI results in black flashing similar to a monitor that is having trouble sync'ing to a signal.  The black flashing occurs on the boot splash, during boot, and the on-screen orbiter.

Connecting my eeebox b202 to my Aquos LC-42D65U via VGA cable works.  I have been running at 720p.  I can't tell the difference between VGA and DVI at 720p so this is probably how I will run for now.