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General => Users => Topic started by: nosebreaker on December 02, 2008, 08:57:37 pm
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I'm trying to decide between CCTV with a Bluecherry 8 or 16-port PCI card (about $170) or if I should use TCP/IP cameras. I'd like to have at least 2 outdoor cameras and at least 4 internal cameras. Any thoughts?
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IP cams usually work panless. No driver issues and such..
br, Hari
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im with hari on this one. Ip cams ftw.
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Ok, but all the supported IP cameras are super-expensive, whereas CCTV ones are like $50/ea plus that board! Any known compatible ones that aren't that expensive?
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Ok, but all the supported IP cameras are super-expensive, whereas CCTV ones are like $50/ea plus that board! Any known compatible ones that aren't that expensive?
Disclaimer: Someone pointed me to this product. I HAVE NOT TRIED IT MYSELF!!!
That being said, maybe something like this is what your looking for?
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-9100A-PLUS-N
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nosebreaker,
I recently install a Bluecherry PV-981 - 8 port video PCIe version and After some pain (not Much) they work fine, I'm still have to configure somethings. But I had no drivers issues.
I followed this Wiki http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Analog_cameras (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Analog_cameras)
Good Luck
Cesar
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Nosebreaker, I've got two DCS-5300 IP cameras and 4 Swann analog camera connected to a Bluecherry Card, and I much prefer the picture on the analog cameras. I've also had problems with the IP cameras not responding to commands (pan. zoom, etc). I do occasionally have an issue where one or more of the cameras will stop refreshing, but I think that's a hardware problem as it happens with both IP and analog. -elspic
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the 5300 runs fine here..
br, Hari
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As a pro security installer i can tell you that i still use analog camera over IP ones due to a few resigns the first is price as i can get fixed camera's with all the high end fetures such as WDR BMBLC at half the cost of IP camera and get better results. Its not untill you get in the big megapixel cameras that the IP camera come into there own but there also big dollars
just my personel opion and hope i havent ofened any one
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Ok, but all the supported IP cameras are super-expensive, whereas CCTV ones are like $50/ea plus that board! Any known compatible ones that aren't that expensive?
Disclaimer: Someone pointed me to this product. I HAVE NOT TRIED IT MYSELF!!!
That being said, maybe something like this is what your looking for?
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-9100A-PLUS-N
No, there is no point in getting that, I might as well get the bluecherry cards!
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The analogue cameras are a lot more difficult to set up, too. Keep in mind the IP cameras are much easier to set up, and with this system, this will always be the case.
CCDs in these units will improve markedly over time, so your argument doesn't hold water for long.
-Thom
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tell me about the analog equivalent for an AXIS 212 PTZ-V...
Good IP cams beat the shit out of analog nowadays. Just look how the signal degrades over long cable runs with PAL/NTSC over FBAS.
br, Hari
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well hari the axis 212 ptz uses a digital ptz funtion so the more it zooms the worst the picture will get it has a few good points but to go better than this you would look at a full size PTZ and if you wanted to go one up on it you would run video anallitics over the top of it and this would give you the full las vagas style of control including Automatic trace or following of a person. if distance is an issue you can run a full analog camera up to 1.6kms or a mile over a standard phone line or cat5 using active transmitters and receivers very cheaply now to do that over a network you would need to run fibre and i have ran analogs at 5kms over fibre as well
i know that IP will take over in the near future but in my line of work the quality and price has still a bit of work to be done to get it on par with current analog devices
1 brand you guys might want to have a look at that cought my eye for quality and features was ACTi. these camera's can have 2 diffrent streams at different settings running from them at the same time, so you could have 1 stream runing @ 4CIF 30 frames to your recording equipment and another stream running @ 640x480 for remote viewing to save bandwidth over your internet connection. These units also support 2 way audio witch could be good for a front door or gate.
I'm not a hard core analog guy its just i look for the best solutions for my clients with there pockets in mind
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Ok, but all the supported IP cameras are super-expensive, whereas CCTV ones are like $50/ea plus that board! Any known compatible ones that aren't that expensive?
Disclaimer: Someone pointed me to this product. I HAVE NOT TRIED IT MYSELF!!!
That being said, maybe something like this is what your looking for?
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-9100A-PLUS-N
No, there is no point in getting that, I might as well get the bluecherry cards!
The bluecherry cards take up a slot inside the machine, this doesn't
this provides a simple ip interface.
not saying buy it, but just know the difference.
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along the same lines, I want to have a camera for monitoring my dogs in there outdoor kennel. I dont neet high res or anything, I just like to check every once in a while to see they are still there and not run away or laying there dead...
I prefer an IP cam, and I can easily make a weatherproof container for it and it will be covered by their kennel roof so I will take indoor or outdoor recommendations.
Any suggestions?
Cheap
Doesnt have to have a Pan or zoom option
IP
indoor or outdoor
B&W would also be fine
no audio necessary but would be cool
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The lowest end Panasonic should be fine.. .but you should probably look at their outdoor mounted cameras too.
-Thom
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should I assume that any IP camera will be accessible over the internet using lmce(if I need to check on them while on vacation)? or would I have to get one with its own server built in.
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you're thinking way too hard.
The camera pictures can be accessible via the web admin, as well as from the web orbiter, or from your cell phone if you are running a mobile orbiter.
-Thom
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UPDATE:
I went with IP cameras, and boy have I had lots of trouble. Most vendors will say they support "JPG" and then you discover that it is actually MOTION jpg video, so no good for LMCE unless it also also can push to a FTP site or something with its own motion trigger event.
I found a nice page, its a bit outdated but it shows whether cameras support "Still JPEG" or not (Which is what LMCE uses):
http://www.icode.co.uk/icatcher/help/info/cameras.htm
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What IP cameras did you go with...hopefully you searched the wiki first? Linksys Wireless-G Internet Video Camera WVC54GCA was Plug-n-Play and sell on ebay for cheap though I got mine at Frys.
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I wonder if these would be ok. I was thinking of getting a couple. considering the price.
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=IP502&cpc=RECOM
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I wonder if these would be ok. I was thinking of getting a couple. considering the price.
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=IP502&cpc=RECOM
Ill have 1 in 5-7 days and let you know if it works out of the box in a similar manner as the linksys camera =P
I have the linksys cam mentioned above but it is terrible in low light. This camera (whether it works with LMCE or not) will work good in place of a video baby monitor for my wife, plus it gives me an excuse to get it. Can only be used so long to watch the baby, plus I get to use the Linksys camera for other things. =D
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Cool, Let me know. I will still be concidering ordering a couple. Based on input.
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I sure will, although dont expect a lot other then if I could get video working or not in LMCE, I'm still a Linux Novice.
I also started a Wiki page and put up some of the specs for the camera: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Abrook_IP502
Ill add more to it once i get the camera and have some time to play with it.
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Well instead of 5-7 days, they fed-ex'd it to me with 3-day and a Sat delivery to boot, cant beat that mistake huh?
I will not have a Core up until Monday (hardware just arrived) night to actually test with as I wasnt expecting this for a few more days.
Looks like the stream location is: /cgi-bin/sf.cgi
Short summary pre-LinuxMCE
Pros:
This camera puts the linksys camera to shame! The amount of configuration available is amazing!
Video quality compared to the linksys camera is like night and day, literally. Not to mention that it is able to look around the room. The video image is encryptable (not sure how this will work with LinuxMCE) if you wanted extra security against eve-droppers(128-bit AES).
It supports email and ftp connections to save images\recordings to, along with a built in CF slot. It will do this based on preset triggers from motion detection or from 1 of 2 inputs from other devices. There is also an output to trigger other devices. Uses on\off functionality via these connections.
3 levels of access admin-full control, user-view video and move camera, guest-view video only. you can upload a custom logo to the cameras internal website.
Built in IR lights for night vission
Got this line out of it, so those linux guru's might be able to connect and do some stuff.
Vilar IPCamera's OS is based on Linux 2.6 kernel, running on no-MMU CPU. The HTTP server is BOA.
CPU: 32bit Arm @ 66MHz
SDRAM 16MB
Flash 4MB
Cons:
Instructions are terrible and is almost a picture book for kids. Shows a pic for each setting page but does not provide infor for them. Help from within the setup page instructs you to look at this manual. The link provided for support does not work: http://www.vipcam.cn/techsupport/
On the video in the upper left corner is the wording "ipcam / 00:00:00" Im assuming this should be the time, but it is static 0's
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Overall I'm considering buying several more pending if it works with LinuxMCE. It seems like a mistake priced for $89.99, especially compared to the linksys at $119.99. Its dark here, but here is a sample vid in a pitch black room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTYyiUa0StE (just uploaded so give youtube some time to process) ill try to do one in daylight tomorrow, but i might not get around to it with the holiday. The purpose of the cam here is so my wife can view the baby (3-months).
-Pnuts
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Hello Pnuts,
did you get the ipvillar IPCAM works ?
I buy one but I can't make it work.
There is a problem with authentication, Im using the instruction at the wiki page http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/IPC-1002.
Thanks in advance.
Hernan
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Have you got a live stream working in a web browser? I'm not talking about the camera admin page here, I'm referring to literally just the stream in a browser window.
Cheers,
Matt.
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Hi purps,
I got live stream in a web browser. There are 3 types of apps inside it's internal BOA web server (ActiveX, JAVA, and Push).
I usually used push with mozilla and works, and I think that it's Motion JPEG and not still JPEG.
Take a look to this part of the webcam log. It's like it is continually downloading a file?....LMCE spects a .jpg picture and its receiving something more, like a video....
Buffer sent. <0xb4f70b90>
10 09/17/11 4:19:27.160 Receiving buffer from 192.168.80.201 with max size 16384 and timeout 5000... <0xb4f70b90>
10 09/17/11 4:19:27.203 Receiving buffer from 192.168.80.201 with max size 16384 and timeout 5000... <0xb4f70b90>
10 09/17/11 4:19:27.207 Receiving buffer from 192.168.80.201 with max size 16384 and timeout 5000... <0xb4f70b90>
10 09/17/11 4:19:27.208 Receiving buffer from 192.168.80.201 with max size 16384 and timeout 5000... <0xb4f70b90>
10 09/17/11 4:19:27.210 Closing connection to 192.168.80.201 <0xb4f70b90>
10 09/17/11 4:19:27.223 Method call ended. <0xb4f70b90>
But I read that the IPC-1002 cam supports both types of streams. I can't get information in order to change that kind of transmition.
Also, I found that the camera has some internal paramitters but i didn't touch them at this time.
Is there another kind of template based on motionJPEG ??
Thanks,
Hernan