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Title: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 10, 2008, 09:41:08 pm
I am reading the wiki link (which points to Building for 0804) and pulling down Kubuntu now but just wanted to clarify something on making the install discs. If I want to make cd's, its as simple as running the noted scripts and does not require a vm instance whereas if i wanted to make the dvd, I would then need a vm instance?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: colinjones on November 10, 2008, 10:18:53 pm
Don't complicate matters - 1) use the torrent to download, 2) download the DVD (you only need the CDs if you have a specific reason to use them instead of the DVD).

Download the DVD iso, use md5sum to confirm the checksum, then burn to a DVD at the slowest possible speed your burner supports.

Put the disk in the drive, and boot from it - be aware that by default it will wipe everything on the drive (not just partition) that you point it at.

You do not need to download Kubuntu, and 0804 and 0810 are not relevent to LMCE at this point. Just download the DVD - everything is on that.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 10, 2008, 10:58:24 pm
Appreciate the seasoned advice, I was just eager to preview what was in the current tree and keen on the experience/knowledge gained from doing it this way.
Are there any places to look for more detailed info on building the dvd then http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Building_LinuxMCE as it leaves out any detail on that step.

O/T under this thread, but I was curious about any enhancements to Insteon products, namely the 2412N as that's all I have.

Thanks for the quick reply and i appreciate any insight!
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 10, 2008, 11:33:59 pm
I am reading the wiki link (which points to Building for 0804) and pulling down Kubuntu now but just wanted to clarify something on making the install discs. If I want to make cd's, its as simple as running the noted scripts and does not require a vm instance whereas if i wanted to make the dvd, I would then need a vm instance?

Thanks!
yes, you only need the vm for the dvd build.

best regards,
Hari
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 10, 2008, 11:35:07 pm
btw, this are the latest instructions for the 0810 build: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Building_LinuxMCE_0810

be aware that this is work in progress.

best regards,
Hari
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 11, 2008, 05:33:14 pm
Thank you Hari,
I started the first script last night to pull down the dev deps and as this script finishes installing stuff it continues to prompt for a MySQL root pw, should I configure one? Is there a place later that I would need to configure what ever pass I entered?

Appreciate all the help!
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on November 11, 2008, 05:52:41 pm
Thank you Hari,
I started the first script last night to pull down the dev deps and as this script finishes installing stuff it continues to prompt for a MySQL root pw, should I configure one? Is there a place later that I would need to configure what ever pass I entered?

Appreciate all the help!
Just hit enter, it pops up about 3 times.  In upcoming versions of the build scripts it will be possible to set a password for root's mysql account, but for now it will break the build if you do.

PS. You might also want to run "svn update" from the /root/Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode directory to update the build scripts every now and then, as Hari pointed out things are still under development at the moment. 
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 11, 2008, 06:06:09 pm
Great,
I am passed that and still pulling in deps. Forgive me as I only have RHEL experience but does Debian/Kubuntu have a yum-fastestmirror equiv as I am getting really bad dl speeds pulling in stuff like gcc etc?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 11, 2008, 07:24:47 pm
RHEL is fine :-)
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 11, 2008, 08:01:32 pm
All seems to have gone well until cd2-prepare.sh
Any ideas here?
Thanks!


********************************************************************************
*** Running: /usr/local/lmce-build/prepare-scripts/cd2-prepare.sh
********************************************************************************
mkdir: created directory `/var/lmce-build/cd2-packages'
mkdir: created directory `/var/lmce-build/cd2-packages/cachecd1-cache'
/var/lmce-build/cd2-packages/cachecd1-cache /usr/local/lmce-build
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
No candidate version found for discover1
No candidate version found for libct3
No candidate version found for libdiscover1
No candidate version found for libfile-temp-perl
No candidate version found for libft-perl
No candidate version found for libgail-common
No candidate version found for libgail18
No candidate version found for libgpmg1
No candidate version found for liblame0
No candidate version found for libltdl3
No candidate version found for libopenal0a
No candidate version found for libupnp2
No candidate version found for xlibs-data
No candidate version found for xlibs-static-dev
E: Can't find a package named "libopencdk10-dev"
E: Can't find a package named "xserver-xorg-video-cyrix"
E: Can't find a package named "xserver-xorg-video-imstt"
E: Can't find a package named "xserver-xorg-video-via"
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on November 12, 2008, 01:55:22 am
Those are unsorted dependencies in conf-files/intrepid-*/cd2-packages you can either sort them out and send in a patch or ignore them for now, the result is that in the end cd2 will come up light... Work in progress and all that.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 12, 2008, 02:22:50 am
Ok, so moving right along I get to here:
Everything else executed ok, so is this something on my end or another wip issue?
Thanks so much for the guidance!

root@LmceBuilder:/usr/local/lmce-build# build-scripts/create-repo.sh
18:12:10  *** STEP: Creating local repository
18:12:10  Removing old debs from repository
18:12:10  Copying make-release debs to repository
18:12:10  Copying replacements debs to repository
18:12:12  Generating Packages / Packages.gz files
18:12:20  *** STEP: Copy debs to diskless common directory (for dvd)
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-irtrans-wrapper
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-tira-wrapper
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-wavetrend-reader
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-zwave-lighting
18:12:20  Failed to copy nvidia-glx-new
18:12:20  Failed to copy id-my-disc
18:12:20  Failed to copy lmcevdr
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-vdr-plugin
18:12:20  Failed to copy vdr-dev
18:12:20  Failed to copy vdr-plugin-control
18:12:20  Failed to copy vdr-plugin-xineliboutput
18:12:20  Failed to copy vdr
18:12:20  Failed to copy libxine1-xvdr
18:12:20  Failed to copy libxine-xvdr
18:12:20  Failed to copy libxineliboutput-sxfe
18:12:20  Failed to copy xineliboutput-sxfe
18:12:20  Failed to copy mythtv-backend
18:12:20  Failed to copy mythtv-common
18:12:20  Failed to copy mythtv-frontend
18:12:20  Failed to copy mythtv-transcode-utils
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-ivtv-video-drivers
18:12:20  Failed to copy lirc-modules-2.6.27-7-generic
18:12:21  Failed to copy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-7-generic
18:12:21  Failed to copy 3m-touchware
18:12:21  Failed to copy elo-touchscreen
18:12:21  Failed to copy 3ware-3dm2
18:12:21  Failed to copy libdvdnav4
18:12:21  Failed to copy openobex-apps
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: totallymaxed on November 12, 2008, 10:11:44 am
Those are unsorted dependencies in conf-files/intrepid-*/cd2-packages you can either sort them out and send in a patch or ignore them for now, the result is that in the end cd2 will come up light... Work in progress and all that.

I have been attempting to get my AMD + Via GPU based Averatec working under 8.10 without any joy on the Via front at all. It looks like there just is no xserver-xorg-video-via package currently at all under Xorg 7.4 http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.4 (http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.4)

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: itspac on November 12, 2008, 03:59:56 pm
Those are unsorted dependencies in conf-files/intrepid-*/cd2-packages you can either sort them out and send in a patch or ignore them for now, the result is that in the end cd2 will come up light... Work in progress and all that.

some of the packages just aren't there anymore, some of them say they were replaced with other packages. Do you think it would be wise to try the replacement packages for those that says are available?
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on November 12, 2008, 07:05:30 pm
Those are unsorted dependencies in conf-files/intrepid-*/cd2-packages you can either sort them out and send in a patch or ignore them for now, the result is that in the end cd2 will come up light... Work in progress and all that.

some of the packages just aren't there anymore, some of them say they were replaced with other packages. Do you think it would be wise to try the replacement packages for those that says are available?
That is what needs to be done, yes.  And then the cd2 package list should be updated to reflect these changes.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: kanadavos on November 12, 2008, 09:49:33 pm
I went through the cd2-packages file and tried to find updated packages and what not.

oldpackage : newpackage  notes

discover1 : discover found intrepid package name)
libct3 : libct4 found intrepid package name
libdiscover1 : libdiscover2 found new package name
libfile-temp-perl : provided by perl-modules package now
libft-perl : no intrepid package
libgail-common : no package for intrepid, but I did find a libgail-gnome-module but I'm not sure if it will work.
libgail18 : no package for interpid
libgpmg1 : libgmp2 found intrepid package name
liblame0 : libmp3lame0 found intrepid package name
libltdl3 : libltdl7 new version for intrepid
libopenal0a : libopenal1 found intrepid package
libupnp2 : libupnp3 found intrepid package
xlibs-data : apt says that the following packages replace it "xkb-data-legacy xcursor-themes xbitmaps" but adding them makes apt want to uninstall kubuntu-desktop and a few other packages that seem needed.
xlibs-static-dev : apt says that the following packages replace it "x11proto-xf86vidmode-dev x11proto-xf86misc-dev x11proto-xf86dga-dev x11proto-xf86bigfont-dev x11proto-bigreqs-dev libxfont-dev" which were already installed on my box.
libopencdk10-dev : can't find any compatible or similar intrepid packages.
xserver-xorg-video-cyrix : can't find any compatible or similar intrepid packages.
xserver-xorg-video-imstt : can't find any compatible or similar intrepid packages.
xserver-xorg-video-via  : can't find any compatible or similar intrepid packages.

I'd modify the file and checkin myself but I don't have write access to the svn.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: itspac on November 13, 2008, 04:16:33 pm
Ok, so moving right along I get to here:
Everything else executed ok, so is this something on my end or another wip issue?
Thanks so much for the guidance!

root@LmceBuilder:/usr/local/lmce-build# build-scripts/create-repo.sh
18:12:10  *** STEP: Creating local repository
18:12:10  Removing old debs from repository
18:12:10  Copying make-release debs to repository
18:12:10  Copying replacements debs to repository
18:12:12  Generating Packages / Packages.gz files
18:12:20  *** STEP: Copy debs to diskless common directory (for dvd)
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-irtrans-wrapper
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-tira-wrapper
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-wavetrend-reader
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-zwave-lighting
18:12:20  Failed to copy nvidia-glx-new
18:12:20  Failed to copy id-my-disc
18:12:20  Failed to copy lmcevdr
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-vdr-plugin
18:12:20  Failed to copy vdr-dev
18:12:20  Failed to copy vdr-plugin-control
18:12:20  Failed to copy vdr-plugin-xineliboutput
18:12:20  Failed to copy vdr
18:12:20  Failed to copy libxine1-xvdr
18:12:20  Failed to copy libxine-xvdr
18:12:20  Failed to copy libxineliboutput-sxfe
18:12:20  Failed to copy xineliboutput-sxfe
18:12:20  Failed to copy mythtv-backend
18:12:20  Failed to copy mythtv-common
18:12:20  Failed to copy mythtv-frontend
18:12:20  Failed to copy mythtv-transcode-utils
18:12:20  Failed to copy pluto-ivtv-video-drivers
18:12:20  Failed to copy lirc-modules-2.6.27-7-generic
18:12:21  Failed to copy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-7-generic
18:12:21  Failed to copy 3m-touchware
18:12:21  Failed to copy elo-touchscreen
18:12:21  Failed to copy 3ware-3dm2
18:12:21  Failed to copy libdvdnav4
18:12:21  Failed to copy openobex-apps


I got the same thing
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on November 14, 2008, 03:34:44 am
I went through the cd2-packages file and tried to find updated packages and what not.

oldpackage : newpackage  notes

discover1 : discover found intrepid package name)
libct3 : libct4 found intrepid package name
libdiscover1 : libdiscover2 found new package name
libfile-temp-perl : provided by perl-modules package now
libft-perl : no intrepid package
libgail-common : no package for intrepid, but I did find a libgail-gnome-module but I'm not sure if it will work.
libgail18 : no package for interpid
libgpmg1 : libgmp2 found intrepid package name
liblame0 : libmp3lame0 found intrepid package name
libltdl3 : libltdl7 new version for intrepid
libopenal0a : libopenal1 found intrepid package
libupnp2 : libupnp3 found intrepid package
xlibs-data : apt says that the following packages replace it "xkb-data-legacy xcursor-themes xbitmaps" but adding them makes apt want to uninstall kubuntu-desktop and a few other packages that seem needed.
xlibs-static-dev : apt says that the following packages replace it "x11proto-xf86vidmode-dev x11proto-xf86misc-dev x11proto-xf86dga-dev x11proto-xf86bigfont-dev x11proto-bigreqs-dev libxfont-dev" which were already installed on my box.
libopencdk10-dev : can't find any compatible or similar intrepid packages.
xserver-xorg-video-cyrix : can't find any compatible or similar intrepid packages.
xserver-xorg-video-imstt : can't find any compatible or similar intrepid packages.
xserver-xorg-video-via  : can't find any compatible or similar intrepid packages.

I'd modify the file and checkin myself but I don't have write access to the svn.

libgail-common : replaced by libgtk2.0-doc
libgail18 : replaced by libgtk2.0-0

All of the ones striped off the list are dealt with, that just leaves:

libft-perl : (Perl module for the FreeType library)
libopencdk10-dev : (Open Crypto Development Kit)

Edit: I missed a couple earlier, but the updates are all checked into SVN now. 

Thanks for lending a hand.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: posde on November 14, 2008, 11:50:27 pm
I went through the cd2-packages file and tried to find updated packages and what not.

[..]
I'd modify the file and checkin myself but I don't have write access to the svn.

Thank you very much. This is VERY helpful to get progress. Zaerc is doing SOO much right now, and every bit of help he can gets is greatly appreciated.

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: itspac on November 15, 2008, 06:25:35 pm
my installation failed after building. here is what was in the installer log

Quote
cp: cannot stat `./controllib.pl': No such file or directory
/usr/pluto/deb-cache /tmp/selfextract.XC6647
Can't locate Dpkg/ErrorHandling.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /us$
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./dpkg-scanpackages line 10.

anyone know what i am missing?
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: itspac on November 15, 2008, 06:49:23 pm
my installation failed after building. here is what was in the installer log

Quote
cp: cannot stat `./controllib.pl': No such file or directory
/usr/pluto/deb-cache /tmp/selfextract.XC6647
Can't locate Dpkg/ErrorHandling.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /us$
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./dpkg-scanpackages line 10.

anyone know what i am missing?

i updated dpkg-dev and its dependencies.  atleast its installing now.. we'll see next prob
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 15, 2008, 11:11:45 pm
What is the process to incorporate everyone's changes here in this thread to build with them?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on November 16, 2008, 01:32:05 am
What is the process to incorporate everyone's changes here in this thread to build with them?
Thanks!
Maybe my eyesight is going bad, but I don't see any changes mentioned in this thread other then the one from kanadavos, which already made it into SVN. 
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 16, 2008, 02:28:03 am
Well I assumed an 'svn update' was needed to pull that in, but I must not be in the right place to do it. How do I get kanadavos' changes?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on November 16, 2008, 06:35:17 am
Update the build scripts by doing an svn update from the /root/Ubuntu_Helpers_NoHardcode directory.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 16, 2008, 06:32:01 pm
Thanks for this, now I get this output from import-external-files.sh.
I presume this is easy to fix, but I wouldn't know what the correct urls are?
Thanks!

********************************************************************************
*** Running: prepare-scripts/import-external-files.sh
********************************************************************************
Checking if rsync skin host (rsync.linuxmce.org) is reachable
ping: unknown host rsync.linuxmce.org
Checking if http skin host (www.linuxmce.org) is reachable

Failed to download skins.
If you don't have them already, cd2-build.sh will fail.
Checking if rsync media host (rsync.linuxmce.org) is reachable
ping: unknown host rsync.linuxmce.org
Checking if http media host (www.linuxmce.org) is reachable
Failed to download media.
If you don't have them already, cd2-build.sh will fail.
Checking if http media host (www.linuxmce.org) is reachable
Failed to download videos and sounds.
If you don't have them already, the build will likely fail.
*** Done: prepare-scripts/import-external-files.sh
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: posde on November 16, 2008, 07:27:49 pm
ritmo,

are you by chance working in a VirtualBox environment?

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 16, 2008, 07:32:30 pm
I am running a virtualized instance of Kubuntu on an ESXi server.
I'm intrigued, what tipped you off?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: posde on November 16, 2008, 07:34:46 pm
The shell script is using a PING to check if the servers are available. ICMP protocol does not work in VirtualBox.

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: valent on November 17, 2008, 04:17:04 am
Hi guys,
I'm also looking at testing the new LinuxMCE so I would like to ask you who are doing it now to please update the wiki with some tips&tricks (it needed) so that the rest of us can also give it a shot and skip over any caveats.

Cheers,
Valent.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 17, 2008, 10:52:14 pm
The shell script is using a PING to check if the servers are available. ICMP protocol does not work in VirtualBox.

Ok, added ICMP to my pix and all is well upto create-repo.sh, I get this:
Any ideas here, or is this expected as the dvd is not going to be made?
Thanks!

# build-scripts/create-repo.sh
14:44:54  *** STEP: Creating local repository
14:44:54  Removing old debs from repository
14:44:55  Copying make-release debs to repository
14:44:58  Copying replacements debs to repository
14:45:03  Copying extra (downloaded) debs to repository
14:45:26  Generating Packages / Packages.gz files
14:45:48  *** STEP: Copy debs to diskless common directory (for dvd)
14:45:49  Failed to copy pluto-irtrans-wrapper
14:45:49  Failed to copy pluto-tira-wrapper
14:45:49  Failed to copy pluto-wavetrend-reader
14:45:49  Failed to copy pluto-zwave-lighting
14:45:49  Failed to copy nvidia-glx-new
14:45:49  Failed to copy id-my-disc
14:45:49  Failed to copy lmcevdr
14:45:49  Failed to copy pluto-vdr-plugin
14:45:49  Failed to copy vdr-dev
14:45:49  Failed to copy vdr-plugin-control
14:45:49  Failed to copy vdr-plugin-xineliboutput
14:45:49  Failed to copy vdr
14:45:49  Failed to copy libxine1-xvdr
14:45:49  Failed to copy libxine-xvdr
14:45:49  Failed to copy libxineliboutput-sxfe
14:45:50  Failed to copy xineliboutput-sxfe
14:45:50  Failed to copy mythtv-backend
14:45:50  Failed to copy mythtv-common
14:45:50  Failed to copy mythtv-frontend
14:45:50  Failed to copy mythtv-transcode-utils
14:45:50  Failed to copy pluto-ivtv-video-drivers
14:45:50  Failed to copy lirc-modules-2.6.27-7-generic
14:45:50  Failed to copy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-7-generic
14:45:50  Failed to copy 3m-touchware
14:45:50  Failed to copy elo-touchscreen
14:45:50  Failed to copy 3ware-3dm2
14:45:50  Failed to copy libdvdnav4
14:45:50  Failed to copy openobex-apps
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 19, 2008, 12:05:04 am
Well, I got two CD's and as per the wiki, i simply loop mounted and dpkg -i the main deb, which I see placed a link to mce-installer.sh which does nothing for me when i run it?
Any ideas?
Thanks everyone for getting me this far!
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 19, 2008, 01:44:59 am
we don't use CDs at the moment. Zaerc is working on a wonderful install script that runs on top of a kubuntu 0810 install.

Kudos to Zaerc for the awesome work!! (see attachement, just installed on 0810)

best regards,
Hari
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 19, 2008, 01:52:33 am
Pray tell, how do I leverage such script!
Thanks
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: itspac on November 19, 2008, 04:56:32 am
Pray tell, how do I leverage such script!
Thanks

yes, please tell   ;D
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 19, 2008, 09:00:12 am
the script name is listed in the topic of our dev irc channel.

br, Hari
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: niz23 on November 19, 2008, 09:43:59 am
Bumping my post count.

http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/new-installer-006.tar.bz2

/niz23
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 19, 2008, 12:37:09 pm
Bumping my post count.

http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/new-installer-006.tar.bz2

/niz23

had good reason to not give the direct link out..
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: nite_man on November 19, 2008, 03:41:10 pm
I tried to use the new-installer-006. But without luck. It seems that LMCE repos weren't added automatically. How to solve that?

TIA.

Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 19, 2008, 07:33:57 pm
see?

SCNR :-)))
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 19, 2008, 07:50:19 pm
lol, ok Hari, anything *else* to add to that?
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: niz23 on November 19, 2008, 07:55:08 pm
Look at, http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/LinuxMCE-0810_alpha0#Installation
for information how to install lmce 0810 alpha0.

There is no guarantee it will work correctly. Its the first 0810 alpha version.

Any problem you notice please verify them and try to fix it.
It will gain all of us since 0810 will be released faster the more people that help out.

/niz23

 
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 19, 2008, 09:22:18 pm
lol, ok Hari, anything *else* to add to that?
ritmo2k, spawn an IRC client and join #linuxmce-devel on freenode, we are lurking around there and are actively working on the build.

br, Hari
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Ritmo2k on November 19, 2008, 09:51:45 pm
Can do, I need to add some rules on the pix. Right now it looks like those scripts only have i386 packages and I am on x64 :(
Ill catch you guys shortly.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on November 19, 2008, 10:22:55 pm
Can do, I need to add some rules on the pix. Right now it looks like those scripts only have i386 packages and I am on x64 :(
Ill catch you guys shortly.
Thanks!
It's a pre-alpha for fuck's sake, give me a break here.   >:(
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 19, 2008, 11:16:04 pm
are you running a 128 gigabyte database or what is the reason why you use 64bit?
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: nite_man on November 20, 2008, 11:02:31 am
Thanks a lot, guys, for the installation script and good explanation how to install 0810-alpha0. Installation goes well. Will see the results :)
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: dimka on November 20, 2008, 08:08:32 pm
Hi guys,

  I am trying to compile/install 810. Have tried to install Alpha but installer did`t find amd64 packages. When will they be available ?

  Or - should I tune something to install 32 bits packages?

br,
dmitry
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: niz23 on November 20, 2008, 11:11:36 pm
dimka.
Hi guys,

  I am trying to compile/install 810. Have tried to install Alpha but installer did`t find amd64 packages. When will they be available ?

  Or - should I tune something to install 32 bits packages?

br,
dmitry

Simplest answer.
Install a 32-bit kubuntu 8.10 then our alpha0.
If you really want 64-bit, make the changes necessary to build everything on a 64-bit kubuntu 0810. Thats the hard truth for the moment.

There is really no need to install a 64-bit os for lmce.

/niz23
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: dimka on November 21, 2008, 08:43:03 am

dimka.
Hi guys,

  I am trying to compile/install 810. Have tried to install Alpha but installer did`t find amd64 packages. When will they be available ?

  Or - should I tune something to install 32 bits packages?

br,
dmitry

Simplest answer.
Install a 32-bit kubuntu 8.10 then our alpha0.
If you really want 64-bit, make the changes necessary to build everything on a 64-bit kubuntu 0810. Thats the hard truth for the moment.

There is really no need to install a 64-bit os for lmce.

/niz23

Good advise - will do that - Thank you Niz123!

Actually I managed to compile amd64 version but installer crashes - where should I post that ? Any developers lists?
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: niz23 on November 21, 2008, 01:29:11 pm
dimka.

dimka.
Hi guys,

  I am trying to compile/install 810. Have tried to install Alpha but installer did`t find amd64 packages. When will they be available ?

  Or - should I tune something to install 32 bits packages?

br,
dmitry

Simplest answer.
Install a 32-bit kubuntu 8.10 then our alpha0.
If you really want 64-bit, make the changes necessary to build everything on a 64-bit kubuntu 0810. Thats the hard truth for the moment.

There is really no need to install a 64-bit os for lmce.

/niz23

Good advise - will do that - Thank you Niz123!

Actually I managed to compile amd64 version but installer crashes - where should I post that ? Any developers lists?

Start by browsing to http://svn.linuxmce.org/trac.cgi/newticket
Create a ticket.
Type: defect
Milestone: Get compiling...
Priority: minor
Component: Setup...
Severity: low
Version: 0810

Attach all information you have about the error. Like errors, logs etc.
And if you have time. Please try to find a way to make it work.

/niz23
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: elspic on November 21, 2008, 04:46:27 pm
Can do, I need to add some rules on the pix. Right now it looks like those scripts only have i386 packages and I am on x64 :(
Ill catch you guys shortly.
Thanks!
It's a pre-alpha for fuck's sake, give me a break here.   >:(

Zaerc, I'm as grateful as anyone else on the board for your contributions, but you seriously need to chill the fuck out. Ritmo simply made a statement about the situation, he didn't ask you to get out of bed and finish the script at his house. Also, while banning people from the rooms when they have legitimate info to share is cute, it's not that conducive to finishing the install script that seems to be tweaking your nipples so much. Again, you've done some great work and I'm aware of that, but this isn't something you're being forced to do, so don't take it so seriously. -elspic
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: tschak909 on November 21, 2008, 05:24:27 pm
We do have some specific rules for IRC. One of them is to use a real nick, and not the "Linuxmce" default.

-Thom
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 21, 2008, 05:49:17 pm
/me thinks that elspic is easily offended..
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: elspic on November 21, 2008, 06:19:00 pm
Thom: I've got no problem with the rules and changed my name when asked, but didn't change it enough apparently
Hari: No, not really at all, it just bothered me that zaerc jumped on someone for no reason (happens a lot here), then took enough umbrage at my name to ignore any help I might have offered, even though I was clearly not_zaerc ;)
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 21, 2008, 06:37:50 pm
haha, "not_zaerc", how funny. Use a proper nick.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on November 21, 2008, 06:46:38 pm
Hari: No, not really at all, it just bothered me that zaerc jumped on someone for no reason (happens a lot here), then took enough umbrage at my name to ignore any help I might have offered, even though I was clearly not_zaerc ;)
Why don't you do the 64bit distribution, but instead feel like to have to protect poor ppl from zaerc? Zaerc is working day and night on this, so stupidly stating "no  64bit packages :-((( *cry* *whatever*" is enough reason if you ask me. Sorry, that is just noobish.

you either contribute something valuable or better stfu now.

So, enough ranting for now. Guys, there is no need to run 64 bit packages on 64bit hardware. Yes, you can also run the 32bit packages there. Without performance impact (regarding LMCE).

Hari
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: dimka on November 21, 2008, 08:40:43 pm
Hi again :-)

  I have installed Kubuntu 32 bit.s and followed installation steps. After first reboot installer stops after some errors. I would have attached error file if you tell where to look for.

  Otherwise - it complains about xlibs-data package. In single mode " apt-get install xlibs-data" tells
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package xlibs-data is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  xkb-data-legacy xcursor-themes xbitmaps
E: Package xlibs-data has no installation candidate

And thats exactly what I am getting on screen 8 . Any ideas?

FIXED. Have manually installed the package from here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/lpia/xlibs-data/1:7.3+10ubuntu10

Now it complains about discover1
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on November 22, 2008, 05:19:59 pm
Thom: I've got no problem with the rules and changed my name when asked, but didn't change it enough apparently
Hari: No, not really at all, it just bothered me that zaerc jumped on someone for no reason (happens a lot here), then took enough umbrage at my name to ignore any help I might have offered, even though I was clearly not_zaerc ;)


Bullshit.  I asked you nicely to change your nick but you had to fuck around instead.  We're not here to entertain you, try to get that through your thick skull.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: elspic on November 23, 2008, 01:35:09 am
That's what I mean about needing to relax. I didn't feel like using my normal nick and other than following the rules, I don't see what it matters a whit what I call myself. There's no need to insult anyone, particularly as you know nothing of the physical characteristics of my skull.

Now, thank you again for your work, the new install script works excellently and when I get a chance to track down the couple of issues I've seen so far, I'll report back. -elspic
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: elspic on November 23, 2008, 04:09:37 am
Also, I'm sorry if I offended you at all, I really didn't think a name was that big of a deal. -elspic
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: tschak909 on November 23, 2008, 04:11:24 am
don't worry about it. :)

-Thom
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: deffcon on November 30, 2008, 09:31:17 am
Hi,

I installed the 0810 pre alpha, are we discussing 0810 related issues here or in the irc channel?

Dave
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: MediaEngineer on November 30, 2008, 05:18:01 pm
Hi,

I installed the 0810 pre alpha, are we discussing 0810 related issues here or in the irc channel?

Dave

Somewhere with a permanent public record, like this thread gives, would be useful for everyone, even if we're not there for the "realtime" discussion. A forum discussion linked from the wiki would be good. I linked to this thread from the "LinuxMCE-0810 alpha0" wiki entry.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: posde on November 30, 2008, 07:44:01 pm
If you have issues, which are NOT in the wiki, you should do one of two things:
* put it in the wiki
* Open a ticket on http://svn.linuxmce.org

If you go the second route, make sure, there isn't a ticket there already. Also, make sure to check back on your ticket. Sometimes we need additional information.

Thank you.

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: skatingn330 on December 01, 2008, 08:16:20 pm
I already have kubuntu 0810 64 bit installed, will there be negative results for sure if I attempt the Linuxmce alpha?? Or is it possible to install 32 bit mce on top of a 64 bit kubuntu... i am thinking its impossible. Let me know guys. thanks
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on December 01, 2008, 08:40:58 pm
I already have kubuntu 0810 64 bit installed, will there be negative results for sure if I attempt the Linuxmce alpha?? Or is it possible to install 32 bit mce on top of a 64 bit kubuntu... i am thinking its impossible. Let me know guys. thanks
Only one way to find out... and alpha1 has binary packages for amd64 too so no need to mix the bits.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: skatingn330 on December 02, 2008, 01:44:58 am
i'm stuck after running the first script

matt@matt-htpc:~/Documents/new-installer$ sudo ./pre-install-from-repo.sh
E: Type 'http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/deb' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: Type 'http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/deb' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: The list of sources could not be read.                                                               
./pre-install-from-repo.sh: Error installing dpkg-dev     

I noticed http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/deb link is gone so i tried this

matt@matt-htpc:~/Documents/new-installer$ sudo ./pre-install-from-repo.sh
E: Type 'http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/lmce-alpha1/binary-amd64/ansi2html-source_2.0.0.44.0811300000_amd64.deb' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: Type 'http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/lmce-alpha1/binary-amd64/ansi2html-source_2.0.0.44.0811300000_amd64.deb' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: The list of sources could not be read.
./pre-install-from-repo.sh: Error installing dpkg-dev

I need some help
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on December 02, 2008, 03:07:07 am
i'm stuck after running the first script

matt@matt-htpc:~/Documents/new-installer$ sudo ./pre-install-from-repo.sh
E: Type 'http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/deb' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: Type 'http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/deb' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: The list of sources could not be read.                                                               
./pre-install-from-repo.sh: Error installing dpkg-dev     

I noticed http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/deb link is gone so i tried this

matt@matt-htpc:~/Documents/new-installer$ sudo ./pre-install-from-repo.sh
E: Type 'http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/lmce-alpha1/binary-amd64/ansi2html-source_2.0.0.44.0811300000_amd64.deb' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: Type 'http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/lmce-alpha1/binary-amd64/ansi2html-source_2.0.0.44.0811300000_amd64.deb' is not known on line 54 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
E: The list of sources could not be read.
./pre-install-from-repo.sh: Error installing dpkg-dev

I need some help

Looks like your /etc/apt/sources.list file is messed up.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: PSM on December 02, 2008, 10:25:54 am
Alpha1 works for me on a virgin Kubuntu 0810. mce-install.sh takes a long time to do everything, but after reboot and some more waiting UI1 comes up without a hitch. Have to try with UI2 still. Issues so far: WMCE uirt is not recognized. Audio CDs don't play: 'Unrecognized Disk'. DVD does the same., but could be related to absence of libdvdcss2. All internal hardware is recognized and in working order, including the built in ethernet ports, the Nvidia DVI, SATA, etc, etc. That is a big improvement over 0710!
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: wsuetholz on December 09, 2008, 04:17:01 pm
I already have kubuntu 0810 64 bit installed, will there be negative results for sure if I attempt the Linuxmce alpha?? Or is it possible to install 32 bit mce on top of a 64 bit kubuntu... i am thinking its impossible. Let me know guys. thanks

Do a google search for installing 32 bit apps on 64 bit ubuntu, there are documented steps that are needed to be taken in order to get the 32 bit libraries set up.  Once that is done, you can install 32 bit programs on a 64 bit ubuntu system.  Kubuntu == Ubuntu in this instance, since the steps needed are the same, don't limit your searches to just kubuntu!

That being said, as the people most familiar with LMCE have already indicated in this thread and other threads, you don't really gain anything by using 64bit compiled code for LMCE.  I didn't notice anything except more disk space required for the OS, things didn't seem to be any faster with 64bit OS vs 32bit OS.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on December 09, 2008, 07:04:02 pm
Alpha1 works for me on a virgin Kubuntu 0810. mce-install.sh takes a long time to do everything, but after reboot and some more waiting UI1 comes up without a hitch. Have to try with UI2 still. Issues so far: WMCE uirt is not recognized. Audio CDs don't play: 'Unrecognized Disk'. DVD does the same., but could be related to absence of libdvdcss2. All internal hardware is recognized and in working order, including the built in ethernet ports, the Nvidia DVI, SATA, etc, etc. That is a big improvement over 0710!
You can install libdvdcss2 in alpha1 as follows:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2And while you're at it you might want to grab the windows codecs as well:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install w32codecsOr if you use 64bit:
Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get install w64codecs
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: MediaEngineer on December 10, 2008, 05:26:44 pm
There are now two alpha versions of LMCE 0810, alpha0 and alpha1. There are two wiki pages, one for each alpha version: alpha0 (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/LinuxMCE-0810_alpha0) and alpha1 (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/LinuxMCE-0810_alpha1). But they're hard to use or follow, because the old alpha0 page is more detailed, and the alpha1 page even just points to the alpha0 page for a shared list of known problems. There is no indication whether those problems have been fixed in alpha1, or whether they exist in alpha1 but not alpha0, according to the current pages structure.

I combined the two pages into a single page that documents the LMCE alpha versions, alpha (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/LinuxMCE-0810_alpha0), keeping all the info from the old pages. Once testing moves to beta, we can have a separate page for that beta series of versions, if it makes sense then. I combined the alpha0 and alpha1 pages, including each alphaN version in its own standalone section. I copied the known problems forward from the alpha0 page into the alpha1 section, but revised the "Confirmed by" note for each issue to indicate the version that issue was last confirmed in (alpha0). Since all known issues were collected in the alpha0 page, the versions noted a report or confirmation in the alpha1 section are all "a0", since there's no way to tell whether they were noted in alpha1. Going forward we can note the issues in the correct version's section, so we know whether an issue survives. Confirming the fix in the "Confirmed Working" section will make the status more clear.

Please comments here in this thread if you're interested in this wiki revision. Please let me know if there's a better way to do it. Once discussion has settled down, I'll link the old pages to the new one, and probably remove the old ones in favor of the new one.

Thanks to everyone who's working through these development issues and producing the info that's making it to the wiki for everyone else to use.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: tschak909 on December 10, 2008, 06:54:36 pm
fantastic... thank you so much, for doing that.

-Thom

Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on December 10, 2008, 07:22:30 pm
Instead of copy/pasting 2 wiki pages together, it would be way more helpful if you actually tried the alpha1 release and shared your own experience.  There is no added value in lumping these together whatsoever.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: MediaEngineer on December 10, 2008, 10:31:11 pm
Instead of copy/pasting 2 wiki pages together, it would be way more helpful if you actually tried the alpha1 release and shared your own experience.  There is no added value in lumping these together whatsoever.

The added value is mainly in distinguishing between issues in either alpha0 or alpha1 (and later versions as they're released). The alpha1 seems like it might be close enough to working with the HW and features I need to use that I might try installing it now. But until I sorted them out, it was hard to tell. Other people will probably also see that alpha1 is closer to working, and will try installing it. And the clearer format makes it easier for us all to register the results of our tests. That will continue to be true about the later versions, too.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: MediaEngineer on December 10, 2008, 10:37:14 pm
fantastic... thank you so much, for doing that.

You're very welcome, especially considering that it's just documenting so much of the actual development work that you (and Zaerc, and others) are doing.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: kasio on December 15, 2008, 09:12:53 pm
Hello.
I am new to linuxmce.

while installing installer somehow missed lirc-pluto package.

I have following in /var/log/pluto/Spawn_cdc_7697.log  concerning `lirc-pluto'

Quote
+ apt-get -y install lirc-pluto
Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  lirc-pluto: Depends: lirc-modules-2.6.20-15-generic but it is not installable or
                       lirc-modules-2.6.22-14-generic but it is not installable

trying to add by hand fails because i havent lirc-modules package in repositories.

should i build it somehow from sources?  (there is  lirc-modules-source package. )

If nobody else has this problem with lirc i can reinstall whole system and see how it goes then. I had issues with network (installer + kubuntu itself screws all setings) which i think i managed to solve.

I can provide my walktrough so far:
Quote
First fresh instalation of kubuntu fails to function properly with static ip (assigned on instalation)
as far as i figured i had to remove these packages to be able restore configuration manually.

uninstall ddclient
uninstall NetworkManager
uninstall avahi-*
then i had some problems with fw in some of my instalation tries - as a result i figured to remove ufw too as linuxmce uses its own scripts for iptables.

#change /etc/network/interfaces
#add >>
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
       address 10.1.1.13
       netmask 255.255.255.0
       network 10.1.1.0
       broadcast 10.1.1.255
       gateway 10.1.1.1

#edit /etc/resolv.conf
#add >>
nameserver 10.1.1.1

I run next session in screen(if remote)
#install linuxmce
sudo su - #This might ask for the password you specified earlier during the install of kubuntu.
cd /home/user/
wget -c http://deb.linuxmce.org/ubuntu/new-installer-alpha1.tar.bz2
tar xvf new-installer-alpha1.tar.bz2
cd new-installer
edit mce_wizard_data-double_nic.sh (to not lose my ip again)
put outside iface ip + dns.

./pre-install-from-repo.sh
./mce-install.sh
./post-install.sh


#Add my lcd native resolution
http://wiki.linuxmce.com/index.php/Custom_Display_Resolutions

reboot
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: colinjones on December 16, 2008, 09:44:23 am
1) Start again, and use the DVD to install not the CDs (these are for a specific purpose) - the DVD has everything needed to install on a bare machine, so do not install Kubuntu or anything else first.

2) Do not try to re-engineer the system. The steps you describe almost certainly will have screwed up LMCE and are not necessary. If something isn't working correctly, you need to identify the root cause, rather than patch around the symptoms - the forums can help you with this.

3) Be certain you have the correct network setup (ie 2 NICs, etc)
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: deffcon on December 16, 2008, 11:45:27 am
Hi,

where can we find the dvd version ?

Dave
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: kasio on December 16, 2008, 06:47:22 pm
1) Start again, and use the DVD to install not the CDs (these are for a specific purpose) - the DVD has everything needed to install on a bare machine, so do not install Kubuntu or anything else first.

Thank you for responding.  i will go on it again then. got some ideas what i could do different.

2) Do not try to re-engineer the system. The steps you describe almost certainly will have screwed up LMCE and are not necessary. If something isn't working correctly, you need to identify the root cause, rather than patch around the symptoms - the forums can help you with this.

Problem is that all depend on your knowledge.
my network is not working after reboot of fresh installed kubuntu system(you can try simple setup with 1static ip interface). Root cause of it is that my resolv.conf file is empty after each reboot.
I am not that smart to find root cause of root cause so i end here and fix it. appears network manager is problem for this.
as about ddclient and awahi and ufw i saw problems with starting dhcp3 (which is installed by lmce) and as lmce is using its own iptables script i removed ufw.

Does Linuxmce really uses any of those packages?

3) Be certain you have the correct network setup (ie 2 NICs, etc)
thats only thing i am really sure. thought i am dissapointed about ubuntu/kubuntu ppl screwing already traditional system of configuring network.
(leaving only way to configure it from graphical interface.) even windows now can use command line to configure network setings.

SO generally i should be able to install lirc-pluto by simply reinstalling system? does it compile lirc-modules itself(on correct install) or there is ready package somewhere?
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: tschak909 on December 16, 2008, 06:50:50 pm
You're thinking too hard. Stop it.

This package is installed as part of the installation process.

-Thom
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: colinjones on December 16, 2008, 09:56:32 pm
You're thinking too hard. Stop it.

This package is installed as part of the installation process.

-Thom


As Thom said, stop it! Download the DVD, burn it, put it in and boot from it. None of the questions you are asking are relevant.. start with the DVD, if you have problems, ask then.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: kasio on December 17, 2008, 05:47:09 pm
you really mean dvd?

where i can get ready image? or i should make it myself?


p.s. kubuntu/ubuntu networking is broken out of the box. (try installing kubuntu with one static interface)
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: tschak909 on December 17, 2008, 06:03:05 pm
bro,

get the DVD, stick it in the drive, select your target hard disk. Watch it install. Done.

-Thom

Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: kasio on December 17, 2008, 06:24:39 pm
sorry. can you give link?
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: los93sol on December 17, 2008, 06:29:36 pm
You're options are here: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Mirrors_710
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: kasio on December 17, 2008, 06:47:49 pm
i was under impression we all speak about same thing.

i was speaking about 8.10alpha1 instalation. guess you about 7.10?
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: tschak909 on December 17, 2008, 06:58:33 pm
The 8.10 installation is not ready to be used by users, only developers.

Please do not use it unless you are deliberately testing it, or coding for it.

-Thom
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: kasio on December 17, 2008, 07:17:42 pm
i kind of was testing. and still am testing.  ;D

I  did setup home router to work as dhcp server so i could install kubuntu with automatic ip asssignment.

Now installation is done, but still - when i will get lirc-pluto package? Fresh install doesnt have it - should i continue or i did something wrong again? i didnt touch kubuntu at all. (just ok and next)

dcerouter_99329:~# dpkg -l | grep -i lirc
ii  liblircclient0                            0.8.3-0ubuntu2+lmce2                        LIRC client library


(thats it. dont have lirc-pluto package yet again.)


edit:

Added IR transceiver. and again it failed to install lirc-pluto. Are you interested to look into this problem or this problem is affecting only my installations only?

lirc-pluto package isnt on any repository. If it should be built automatically then it fails appearently.

May be some of you could let me know where this package should come from. Then i can look to solve this problem myself.

edit2: i mean lirc-pluto depends on lirc-modules-2.6.22-14-generic which arent on repo.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: niz23 on December 20, 2008, 11:58:36 am
kasio.
i kind of was testing. and still am testing.  ;D

I  did setup home router to work as dhcp server so i could install kubuntu with automatic ip asssignment.

Now installation is done, but still - when i will get lirc-pluto package? Fresh install doesnt have it - should i continue or i did something wrong again? i didnt touch kubuntu at all. (just ok and next)

dcerouter_99329:~# dpkg -l | grep -i lirc
ii  liblircclient0                            0.8.3-0ubuntu2+lmce2                        LIRC client library


(thats it. dont have lirc-pluto package yet again.)


edit:

Added IR transceiver. and again it failed to install lirc-pluto. Are you interested to look into this problem or this problem is affecting only my installations only?

lirc-pluto package isnt on any repository. If it should be built automatically then it fails appearently.

May be some of you could let me know where this package should come from. Then i can look to solve this problem myself.

edit2: i mean lirc-pluto depends on lirc-modules-2.6.22-14-generic which arent on repo.


As Thom and others said earlier.
0810 alpha is not to be used by users yet.
We have lot to do before it will work out of the box and I appreicate that your are willing to test.

Please try to figure out what goes wrong and fix it.
DonĀ“t say this and that dont work tell others to fix it.

All code is in 0810 branch in our svn.

/niz23
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on December 21, 2008, 12:43:45 pm
i kind of was testing. and still am testing.  ;D

I  did setup home router to work as dhcp server so i could install kubuntu with automatic ip asssignment.

Now installation is done, but still - when i will get lirc-pluto package? Fresh install doesnt have it - should i continue or i did something wrong again? i didnt touch kubuntu at all. (just ok and next)

dcerouter_99329:~# dpkg -l | grep -i lirc
ii  liblircclient0                            0.8.3-0ubuntu2+lmce2                        LIRC client library


(thats it. dont have lirc-pluto package yet again.)


edit:

Added IR transceiver. and again it failed to install lirc-pluto. Are you interested to look into this problem or this problem is affecting only my installations only?

lirc-pluto package isnt on any repository. If it should be built automatically then it fails appearently.

May be some of you could let me know where this package should come from. Then i can look to solve this problem myself.

edit2: i mean lirc-pluto depends on lirc-modules-2.6.22-14-generic which arent on repo.


Works for me:
dcerouter_96145:~# dpkg -l | grep lirc
ii  liblircclient-dev                         0.8.3-0ubuntu2+lmce2                        development files for LIRC client library
ii  liblircclient0                            0.8.3-0ubuntu2+lmce2                        LIRC client library
ii  lirc                                      0.8.3-0ubuntu2+lmce2                        Linux Infra-red Remote Control support
ii  lirc-modules-source                       0.8.3-0ubuntu2+lmce2                        Linux Infra-red Remote Control support (kern
ii  lirc-pluto                                0.1.1                                       <insert up to 60 chars description>


Well, after this weeks update that is...  ;D
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: kasio on December 21, 2008, 01:04:58 pm
cool.
As i see dependency is removed. I wasnt sure about it by now.
As far as I found out - you dont have to build lirc-modules on 8.10 (unless some specific patches) all modules are already included by default.
As about building them from source - its still failing for some reason which i couldnt find out.(short on knowledge) I tried with m-a and got error but nothing in logfiles. 
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on December 21, 2008, 02:00:54 pm
cool.
As i see dependency is removed. I wasnt sure about it by now.
As far as I found out - you dont have to build lirc-modules on 8.10 (unless some specific patches) all modules are already included by default.
As about building them from source - its still failing for some reason which i couldnt find out.(short on knowledge) I tried with m-a and got error but nothing in logfiles. 

No actually one was added, please check your assumptions before announcing them as facts. 

And there is no lirc-modules package because that is handled by DKMS now (automagicly uppon installing the lirc-modules-source package even).  As for patches... why exactly do you think we're going through the trouble of releasing an 0.8.3-0ubuntu2+lmce2 version in the first place?

Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: kasio on December 21, 2008, 03:33:20 pm
not like anybody will use my assumptions as facts.
i am happy you made it working. thank you.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: noneyayaya on December 22, 2008, 12:41:13 pm
I cannot get the avwizard to work.

I am currently using the alpha 1 0810 release. I had some issues with using a static ip but altered the resolv and interfaces file accordingly as kasio stated on pg6. For the media director I changed hardware acceleration open gl option with a default video card. On my orbiter I was using UI V2 16:9 and in advanced under view I enabled the allowed to modify so I could check use alpha blended ui, open gl and UI. This only worked 1 time iso movie video playback worked 100% Audio worked 100% open gl worked 100% it was like I was using 0710. I did the editing of the orbiter and md because I couldn't figure out these steps on the web page: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/LinuxMCE-0810_alpha1

  Setup Diskless MD

   1. On core from a terminal run sudo /usr/pluto/bin/Diskless_BuildDefaultImage.sh
   2. Boot MD
   3. Rundiskless setup fails, but the device gets created
   4. Change md to i386 in webadmin -> rebuild image
   5. On the core
         1. Set a password for root on MD
               1. chroot /us/pluto/diskless/<##>
               2. run passwd.... enter password for root
   6. On MD Switch to a terminal session
         1. Login to MD as root
         2. apt-get install nvividia-glx-177
   7. From core copy valid xorg.conf from etc/X11 to /usr/pluto/diskless/##/etc/X11
   8. Reboot MD. Now, the AV Wizard should come up

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
When I tried to do this The script works as far as i know. When I reboot I get a black screen and I can select a new orbiter and it goes through the setup of it. When it ends it repeats the script it seems like its stuck in a loop. I reset then when I did a web login I seen a new orbiter no change in the MD. So i assumed it was all good so I rebuilt the image as it says but no /usr/pluto/diskless folder exits on the DCEROUTER terminal which is the core i assume. Not dubz@dcerouter which is the MD I assume. I believe I can figure out the rest im just stuck at this.

Should I not install adobe flash on kubuntu before or after upgrade to linuxmce 0810 alpha1? Everytime I mess with flash it bricks my install it seems like, which is why im using this new release. Can you use flash on linuxmce and kubuntu? I want to use youtube on kubuntu and linuxmce together.

Anyone have any idea when a beta will be available? Can we use thoms mame plugin in this release or does a new one have to be compiled?

Should I be using the nvidia driver that kubuntu installed or should i compile it using the nvdia driver from their website?

This version does not have a linuxmce launcher?

I can confirm video audio and both ethernets working also dcerouter is giving out ip address to my nokia 770 and other orbiters on the following rig:

1 Nvidia gtx280
1 Asus striker NSE 2 built in ethernets
1 sata 500gig WD HD
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on December 22, 2008, 02:21:47 pm
The alpha version is intended for testing and debugging, not for end users.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: noneyayaya on December 22, 2008, 02:45:54 pm
thankyou for answering none of my questions. bravo. :D
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on December 22, 2008, 03:02:56 pm
thankyou for answering none of my questions. bravo. :D
I have no intention of answering any of your questions, if that is what you want stick to the stable releases.

And you're welcome.  ::)
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: noneyayaya on December 22, 2008, 03:27:19 pm
Sorry I dont eat sleep and shit out linux. All im asking for is a few answers obviously if im using Linuxmce I have a clue about how this works so if your just gonna sit there and spit out some lame response just go away and let someone that actually has the patience / answer not a, i dont give a shit attitude. Sorry you were raised with that attitude problem dont take it out on me linuxmce god grow up and help out dont be shady. If your such a bad ass linuxmce god masterflex why are you wasting my time and yours by responding? stable is for the weak ;D  0710 is far from stable but you knew that right? You obviously just assumed that I was a LMCE virgin and didn't even really read what I had said originally. Geez Your worse than my x g/f. Nice little quote at the end of your response thats original, lame, and weird all at the same time. ROTF. You can have the last word since your responses are so weak ill give you that. No wonder this shit doesnt work right when people like you are making the source.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on December 22, 2008, 03:51:25 pm
Sorry I dont eat sleep and shit out linux. All im asking for is a few answers obviously if im using Linuxmce I have a clue about how this works so if your just gonna sit there and spit out some lame response just go away and let someone that actually has the answer not a, i dont give a shit attitude. Sorry you were raised with that attitude problem dont take it out on me linuxmce god grow up and help out dont be shady. If your such a bad ass linuxmce god masterflex why are you wasting my time and yours by responding? stable is for the weak ;D  0710 is far from stable but you knew that right?
Speaking of attitude problems, why don't you do everybody a huge favor and get lost?
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on December 22, 2008, 05:26:39 pm
Sorry I dont eat sleep and shit out linux. All im asking for is a few answers obviously if im using Linuxmce I have a clue about how this works so if your just gonna sit there and spit out some lame response just go away and let someone that actually has the patience / answer not a, i dont give a shit attitude. Sorry you were raised with that attitude problem dont take it out on me linuxmce god grow up and help out dont be shady. If your such a bad ass linuxmce god masterflex why are you wasting my time and yours by responding? stable is for the weak ;D  0710 is far from stable but you knew that right? You obviously just assumed that I was a LMCE virgin and didn't even really read what I had said originally. Geez Your worse than my x g/f. Nice little quote at the end of your response thats original, lame, and weird all at the same time. ROTF. You can have the last word since your responses are so weak ill give you that. No wonder this shit doesnt work right when people like you are making the source.
Are you done adding these pathetic attempts at insults to your post now, or should I wait for more?  :P
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: tschak909 on December 22, 2008, 06:07:42 pm
noneyayaya,

Please understand, those of us who are working on the developer releases are extremely busy trying to get basic things to function in the new environment.

As such, we do expect those people who wish to try the developer releases to be able to handle themselves without our assistance to set up the developer release, because if we're helping you, we're not developing the release.

Now, this may seem a bit counter-intuitive, but look at the release identifier again, this is an ALPHA, not a Beta. If it were a beta, we would be helping you in this capacity.

So please,
Let's not argue, and if you want help, I would suggest waiting for the beta.

-Thom
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: MediaEngineer on December 23, 2008, 05:49:37 am
Instead of copy/pasting 2 wiki pages together, it would be way more helpful if you actually tried the alpha1 release and shared your own experience.  There is no added value in lumping these together whatsoever.

Did you delete the combined alpha wiki article that I created?
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on December 23, 2008, 07:27:51 pm
Instead of copy/pasting 2 wiki pages together, it would be way more helpful if you actually tried the alpha1 release and shared your own experience.  There is no added value in lumping these together whatsoever.

Did you delete the combined alpha wiki article that I created?
Yes, that is what we do with redundant pages.  And merely pasting two pages together without adding anything is not what I 'd call something you "created".
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: colinjones on December 24, 2008, 02:03:07 am
Sorry I dont eat sleep and shit out linux. All im asking for is a few answers obviously if im using Linuxmce I have a clue about how this works so if your just gonna sit there and spit out some lame response just go away and let someone that actually has the patience / answer not a, i dont give a shit attitude. Sorry you were raised with that attitude problem dont take it out on me linuxmce god grow up and help out dont be shady. If your such a bad ass linuxmce god masterflex why are you wasting my time and yours by responding? stable is for the weak ;D  0710 is far from stable but you knew that right? You obviously just assumed that I was a LMCE virgin and didn't even really read what I had said originally. Geez Your worse than my x g/f. Nice little quote at the end of your response thats original, lame, and weird all at the same time. ROTF. You can have the last word since your responses are so weak ill give you that. No wonder this shit doesnt work right when people like you are making the source.

This is the "Developers" forum, and this is the development/debug release - that is what Alpha means. If you are neither a developer nor a debugger, then you should not be using the Alpha release. And in this context "stable" has a very specific meaning that does not necessarily mean stable. All of these terms and concepts are industry standard, if you are unsure of their meaning, please research them first. Zaerc (and the other devs) is very busy and easily inflamed, please drop this fruitless banter and let them get back to the dev effort, which everybody is eagerly awaiting.

In short:

Alpha is for actual developers of the product, who therefore can stand on their own two feet in terms of installation, useage, debugging and recoding the application.
Beta is for very experienced end-users that can handle installing a near-finished product, using it, determining bugs, analysing them and returning detailed, internal technical info to the developers on issues
Release Candidates are generally the releases for ordinary end users of a product that is considered to be in its final form (notwithstanding any last minute, esoteric bugs that may be found). The only expectation of these end users is to be able to describe, in detail, the symptoms of any issue they find; for it to be repeatable (hopefully); and for them to be able to follow simple instructions from the developers to ascertain more data.

I consider myself to be pretty familiar with the system, yet I have not even considered downloading the Alpha version. I have no intention of weighing in until the Beta versions as this would only encumber the devs in their efforts. Alpha is about getting the system to the next level, it isn't about letting users get an early taste of the next version :)
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: itspac on December 24, 2008, 02:35:44 am
just a quick note. I had a file out in root called tftpboot (from a wireless card install). The script failed at that point because it could not make that directory but the last message shows not being able to install mysql-server. of course a quick rename of the file and restart the script and it went on.  just thought i'd note it
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: totallymaxed on December 25, 2008, 09:30:32 am
1) Start again, and use the DVD to install not the CDs (these are for a specific purpose) - the DVD has everything needed to install on a bare machine, so do not install Kubuntu or anything else first.

2) Do not try to re-engineer the system. The steps you describe almost certainly will have screwed up LMCE and are not necessary. If something isn't working correctly, you need to identify the root cause, rather than patch around the symptoms - the forums can help you with this.

3) Be certain you have the correct network setup (ie 2 NICs, etc)

....also dont forget that this thread is for the 0810 alpha1 builds.... there are no DVD iso images for these currently. So the not only is the install process very different than for the LinuxMCE-0710 but due to these being 'alpha' their will be bugs and missing packages etc. Thats why they are 'alpha' of course ;-)

If you want to install LinuxMCE and have a look at its features and functionality then i would suggest downloading the LinuxMCE-0710 release iso from one of the locations listed here; http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Mirrors_0710 (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Mirrors_0710)

Merry Christmas!!!

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: danielmayer on December 31, 2008, 02:31:02 pm
Hiya!
I try to post my experiences with the alpha1:
1) System: Tyan N6650W w/Nforce3600pro. Single Opteron 2352, 4gb RAMDDR2-667reg, dual GB-NIC. ATI 2600XT-256. Install as Core (ev. hybrid). Second: Diskless MD with Nvidia 630a chipset, 2GB RAM, Athlon Be2350.
2) Installation of 8.10 without problems.
But the next 2 days...

- dire problems with networking, because the core should directly connect via PPPOE to the internet. With many work (not a newbie, but no expert either), I got all installed and configured. It would be a great improvement for me, if the alpha/beta-versions of LMCE don't touch the external networking at all: configuring network before installing LMCE is obligatory to get the updates and drivers, configuring dhcp and eth1 would be enough  ::)

- Second problem with networking: the core/router does not route...  ??? getting access from other PCs of the network (non-MD, IP via dhcp of the core) to the internet on eth0/ppp0 was possible after using:
echo 1 >> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -a 192.168.80.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
I have to do this every bootup, so can that be fixed permanently? Or have I done st unusual?
- The problems with ATI were dire and are so far unsolved: when using fglrx, the systems boots into blank screen without any reaction (keyboard dead, etc). Using radeon or vesa without problems. So I use currently radeon+UI1.
- I still have problems with the diskless boot of the MD. I did as written in the Wiki (rebuild i386, quickreload). MD starts PXE-booting, but tells something about missing NFS:
"running /scrips/nfs-premount" -> "mount call failed: 13" -> "retrying ..." - many times until taking busybox. Any ideas?

Aside from these problems, the systems seems to be running fine. I'll begin the configuration the next days.
I wish you a happy new year! - and many thanks for the work you do!

Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on January 01, 2009, 10:51:12 pm
Hiya!
I try to post my experiences with the alpha1:
1) System: Tyan N6650W w/Nforce3600pro. Single Opteron 2352, 4gb RAMDDR2-667reg, dual GB-NIC. ATI 2600XT-256. Install as Core (ev. hybrid). Second: Diskless MD with Nvidia 630a chipset, 2GB RAM, Athlon Be2350.
2) Installation of 8.10 without problems.
But the next 2 days...

- dire problems with networking, because the core should directly connect via PPPOE to the internet. With many work (not a newbie, but no expert either), I got all installed and configured. It would be a great improvement for me, if the alpha/beta-versions of LMCE don't touch the external networking at all: configuring network before installing LMCE is obligatory to get the updates and drivers, configuring dhcp and eth1 would be enough  ::)

- Second problem with networking: the core/router does not route...  ??? getting access from other PCs of the network (non-MD, IP via dhcp of the core) to the internet on eth0/ppp0 was possible after using:
echo 1 >> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -a 192.168.80.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
I have to do this every bootup, so can that be fixed permanently? Or have I done st unusual?
- The problems with ATI were dire and are so far unsolved: when using fglrx, the systems boots into blank screen without any reaction (keyboard dead, etc). Using radeon or vesa without problems. So I use currently radeon+UI1.
- I still have problems with the diskless boot of the MD. I did as written in the Wiki (rebuild i386, quickreload). MD starts PXE-booting, but tells something about missing NFS:
"running /scrips/nfs-premount" -> "mount call failed: 13" -> "retrying ..." - many times until taking busybox. Any ideas?

Aside from these problems, the systems seems to be running fine. I'll begin the configuration the next days.
I wish you a happy new year! - and many thanks for the work you do!



Congratulations, you have just single handedly figured out why it's an alpha version, well done!  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: danielmayer on January 02, 2009, 01:10:18 pm
Thanks!
But contrary to other posters, I knew that :)

I just wanted to tell the alpha-problems *I* encountered, because I thought thats what this thread is for...
-sniff-
 ::) ???
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on January 02, 2009, 03:39:52 pm
Thanks!
But contrary to other posters, I knew that :)

I just wanted to tell the alpha-problems *I* encountered, because I thought thats what this thread is for...
-sniff-
 ::) ???
And yet you're rolling your eyes at us while asking for support... ::) :P
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: MediaEngineer on January 08, 2009, 08:11:20 pm
Instead of copy/pasting 2 wiki pages together, it would be way more helpful if you actually tried the alpha1 release and shared your own experience.  There is no added value in lumping these together whatsoever.

Did you delete the combined alpha wiki article that I created?
Yes, that is what we do with redundant pages.  And merely pasting two pages together without adding anything is not what I 'd call something you "created".

The page I created was not redundant to the other separate pages. As I explained in this thread (http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6593.msg42798#msg42798), I factored out the problems from the different alpha versions that were before combined into one ambiguous shared section into a separate section for each version. That separation made it possible for developers, testers and trackers to tell whether an issue was resolved or not in a given version, and made it easier to report confirmations or changes. Which encourages other people to help the development, testing and reporting. Which at least one major developer was grateful for:
fantastic... thank you so much, for doing that.

-Thom

I see you often complain that people make requests according to their own interests for developers to work on for them, instead of helping. Yet when I did a little work to assist the alpha development, to help people contribute or to use the contributions, you unilaterally destroyed my contribution. Even though it at worst did no harm. That's a bad way to work together to move this project forward.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: posde on January 09, 2009, 10:35:53 am
If people would like to keep easily trac of issues with 0810, please subscribe to the RSS feed pertaining active 0810 tickets.

http://svn.linuxmce.org/trac.cgi/report/9?format=rss (http://svn.linuxmce.org/trac.cgi/report/9?format=rss)

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on January 09, 2009, 10:30:58 pm
Instead of copy/pasting 2 wiki pages together, it would be way more helpful if you actually tried the alpha1 release and shared your own experience.  There is no added value in lumping these together whatsoever.

Did you delete the combined alpha wiki article that I created?
Yes, that is what we do with redundant pages.  And merely pasting two pages together without adding anything is not what I 'd call something you "created".

The page I created was not redundant to the other separate pages. As I explained in this thread (http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6593.msg42798#msg42798), I factored out the problems from the different alpha versions that were before combined into one ambiguous shared section into a separate section for each version. That separation made it possible for developers, testers and trackers to tell whether an issue was resolved or not in a given version, and made it easier to report confirmations or changes. Which encourages other people to help the development, testing and reporting. Which at least one major developer was grateful for:
fantastic... thank you so much, for doing that.

-Thom

I see you often complain that people make requests according to their own interests for developers to work on for them, instead of helping. Yet when I did a little work to assist the alpha development, to help people contribute or to use the contributions, you unilaterally destroyed my contribution. Even though it at worst did no harm. That's a bad way to work together to move this project forward.

That page was in fact completely redundant since it contained no extra information whatsoever other then was already on the seperate pages that you pasted together.  If this is all the "assistance" you have to offer, then please don't bother.  Neither did I "destroy" anything as you so dramaticly put it since all the information that was on it is still in the wiki on the original pages that you copied it from (proving once more that it was indeed totally redundant). 
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: kasio on January 10, 2009, 12:49:23 pm
Hiya!
I try to post my experiences with the alpha1:
1) System: Tyan N6650W w/Nforce3600pro. Single Opteron 2352, 4gb RAMDDR2-667reg, dual GB-NIC. ATI 2600XT-256. Install as Core (ev. hybrid). Second: Diskless MD with Nvidia 630a chipset, 2GB RAM, Athlon Be2350.
2) Installation of 8.10 without problems.
But the next 2 days...

- dire problems with networking, because the core should directly connect via PPPOE to the internet. With many work (not a newbie, but no expert either), I got all installed and configured. It would be a great improvement for me, if the alpha/beta-versions of LMCE don't touch the external networking at all: configuring network before installing LMCE is obligatory to get the updates and drivers, configuring dhcp and eth1 would be enough  ::)

- Second problem with networking: the core/router does not route...  ??? getting access from other PCs of the network (non-MD, IP via dhcp of the core) to the internet on eth0/ppp0 was possible after using:
echo 1 >> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -a 192.168.80.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
I have to do this every bootup, so can that be fixed permanently? Or have I done st unusual?
- The problems with ATI were dire and are so far unsolved: when using fglrx, the systems boots into blank screen without any reaction (keyboard dead, etc). Using radeon or vesa without problems. So I use currently radeon+UI1.
- I still have problems with the diskless boot of the MD. I did as written in the Wiki (rebuild i386, quickreload). MD starts PXE-booting, but tells something about missing NFS:
"running /scrips/nfs-premount" -> "mount call failed: 13" -> "retrying ..." - many times until taking busybox. Any ideas?

Aside from these problems, the systems seems to be running fine. I'll begin the configuration the next days.
I wish you a happy new year! - and many thanks for the work you do!



Congratulations, you have just single handedly figured out why it's an alpha version, well done!  ::) ::) ::)

You still have to single handedly figure what  alpha  testing means. Good luck on project. call me when you figure it out. and good luck on alpha version.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on January 10, 2009, 02:04:19 pm
Hiya!
I try to post my experiences with the alpha1:
1) System: Tyan N6650W w/Nforce3600pro. Single Opteron 2352, 4gb RAMDDR2-667reg, dual GB-NIC. ATI 2600XT-256. Install as Core (ev. hybrid). Second: Diskless MD with Nvidia 630a chipset, 2GB RAM, Athlon Be2350.
2) Installation of 8.10 without problems.
But the next 2 days...

- dire problems with networking, because the core should directly connect via PPPOE to the internet. With many work (not a newbie, but no expert either), I got all installed and configured. It would be a great improvement for me, if the alpha/beta-versions of LMCE don't touch the external networking at all: configuring network before installing LMCE is obligatory to get the updates and drivers, configuring dhcp and eth1 would be enough  ::)

- Second problem with networking: the core/router does not route...  ??? getting access from other PCs of the network (non-MD, IP via dhcp of the core) to the internet on eth0/ppp0 was possible after using:
echo 1 >> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -a 192.168.80.0/24 -j MASQUERADE
I have to do this every bootup, so can that be fixed permanently? Or have I done st unusual?
- The problems with ATI were dire and are so far unsolved: when using fglrx, the systems boots into blank screen without any reaction (keyboard dead, etc). Using radeon or vesa without problems. So I use currently radeon+UI1.
- I still have problems with the diskless boot of the MD. I did as written in the Wiki (rebuild i386, quickreload). MD starts PXE-booting, but tells something about missing NFS:
"running /scrips/nfs-premount" -> "mount call failed: 13" -> "retrying ..." - many times until taking busybox. Any ideas?

Aside from these problems, the systems seems to be running fine. I'll begin the configuration the next days.
I wish you a happy new year! - and many thanks for the work you do!



Congratulations, you have just single handedly figured out why it's an alpha version, well done!  ::) ::) ::)

You still have to single handedly figure what  alpha  testing means. Good luck on project. call me when you figure it out. and good luck on alpha version.
Sure dude, whatever.  Just don't hold your breath while you're sitting next to the telephone. :P
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: MediaEngineer on January 15, 2009, 12:18:55 am
Instead of copy/pasting 2 wiki pages together, it would be way more helpful if you actually tried the alpha1 release and shared your own experience.  There is no added value in lumping these together whatsoever.

Did you delete the combined alpha wiki article that I created?
Yes, that is what we do with redundant pages.  And merely pasting two pages together without adding anything is not what I 'd call something you "created".

The page I created was not redundant to the other separate pages. As I explained in this thread (http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6593.msg42798#msg42798), I factored out the problems from the different alpha versions that were before combined into one ambiguous shared section into a separate section for each version. That separation made it possible for developers, testers and trackers to tell whether an issue was resolved or not in a given version, and made it easier to report confirmations or changes. Which encourages other people to help the development, testing and reporting. Which at least one major developer was grateful for:
fantastic... thank you so much, for doing that.

-Thom

I see you often complain that people make requests according to their own interests for developers to work on for them, instead of helping. Yet when I did a little work to assist the alpha development, to help people contribute or to use the contributions, you unilaterally destroyed my contribution. Even though it at worst did no harm. That's a bad way to work together to move this project forward.

That page was in fact completely redundant since it contained no extra information whatsoever other then was already on the seperate pages that you pasted together.  If this is all the "assistance" you have to offer, then please don't bother.  Neither did I "destroy" anything as you so dramaticly put it since all the information that was on it is still in the wiki on the original pages that you copied it from (proving once more that it was indeed totally redundant). 

Disambiguation is nonredundant. The structure splitting known issues per version was structural info facilitating testing/revision that is now lost. Not only did you unilaterally decide no one should have that utility, but you did so even after seeing fellow a developer publicly thank me for doing it.

Your defensiveness that denies these facts is part of your attitude that is counterproductive to a team working together on this project. And I am far from the first to say so in these forums, which decreases the chances that anyone will join the team, even to contribute just a little - which collectively goes a long way.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: hari on January 15, 2009, 12:46:23 am
MediaEngineer: are you trying to start a flame-war?
/me gets some popcorn
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on January 15, 2009, 04:10:33 am
Instead of copy/pasting 2 wiki pages together, it would be way more helpful if you actually tried the alpha1 release and shared your own experience.  There is no added value in lumping these together whatsoever.

Did you delete the combined alpha wiki article that I created?
Yes, that is what we do with redundant pages.  And merely pasting two pages together without adding anything is not what I 'd call something you "created".

The page I created was not redundant to the other separate pages. As I explained in this thread (http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6593.msg42798#msg42798), I factored out the problems from the different alpha versions that were before combined into one ambiguous shared section into a separate section for each version. That separation made it possible for developers, testers and trackers to tell whether an issue was resolved or not in a given version, and made it easier to report confirmations or changes. Which encourages other people to help the development, testing and reporting. Which at least one major developer was grateful for:
fantastic... thank you so much, for doing that.

-Thom

I see you often complain that people make requests according to their own interests for developers to work on for them, instead of helping. Yet when I did a little work to assist the alpha development, to help people contribute or to use the contributions, you unilaterally destroyed my contribution. Even though it at worst did no harm. That's a bad way to work together to move this project forward.

That page was in fact completely redundant since it contained no extra information whatsoever other then was already on the seperate pages that you pasted together.  If this is all the "assistance" you have to offer, then please don't bother.  Neither did I "destroy" anything as you so dramaticly put it since all the information that was on it is still in the wiki on the original pages that you copied it from (proving once more that it was indeed totally redundant). 

Disambiguation is nonredundant. The structure splitting known issues per version was structural info facilitating testing/revision that is now lost. Not only did you unilaterally decide no one should have that utility, but you did so even after seeing fellow a developer publicly thank me for doing it.

Your defensiveness that denies these facts is part of your attitude that is counterproductive to a team working together on this project. And I am far from the first to say so in these forums, which decreases the chances that anyone will join the team, even to contribute just a little - which collectively goes a long way.

Dude, get a life of your own.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: MediaEngineer on January 15, 2009, 04:26:46 pm
Instead of copy/pasting 2 wiki pages together, it would be way more helpful if you actually tried the alpha1 release and shared your own experience.  There is no added value in lumping these together whatsoever.

Did you delete the combined alpha wiki article that I created?
Yes, that is what we do with redundant pages.  And merely pasting two pages together without adding anything is not what I 'd call something you "created".

The page I created was not redundant to the other separate pages. As I explained in this thread (http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6593.msg42798#msg42798), I factored out the problems from the different alpha versions that were before combined into one ambiguous shared section into a separate section for each version. That separation made it possible for developers, testers and trackers to tell whether an issue was resolved or not in a given version, and made it easier to report confirmations or changes. Which encourages other people to help the development, testing and reporting. Which at least one major developer was grateful for:
fantastic... thank you so much, for doing that.

-Thom

I see you often complain that people make requests according to their own interests for developers to work on for them, instead of helping. Yet when I did a little work to assist the alpha development, to help people contribute or to use the contributions, you unilaterally destroyed my contribution. Even though it at worst did no harm. That's a bad way to work together to move this project forward.

That page was in fact completely redundant since it contained no extra information whatsoever other then was already on the seperate pages that you pasted together.  If this is all the "assistance" you have to offer, then please don't bother.  Neither did I "destroy" anything as you so dramaticly put it since all the information that was on it is still in the wiki on the original pages that you copied it from (proving once more that it was indeed totally redundant). 

Disambiguation is nonredundant. The structure splitting known issues per version was structural info facilitating testing/revision that is now lost. Not only did you unilaterally decide no one should have that utility, but you did so even after seeing fellow a developer publicly thank me for doing it.

Your defensiveness that denies these facts is part of your attitude that is counterproductive to a team working together on this project. And I am far from the first to say so in these forums, which decreases the chances that anyone will join the team, even to contribute just a little - which collectively goes a long way.

Dude, get a life of your own.


This message is my last in what you have now converted to a pure flamewar, missing any points relevant to this project. I will not make the same mistake.

Your insult shows exactly what the problem is here: you think that LinuxMCE is your life, and no one else who doesn't agree with you is welcome in it. You flame people all the time, especially new appearances who you drive from the project forever, when they make a request that you say doesn't meet your priorities. Which is bad enough, driving away people who, if encouraged, could produce more code contributors and others necessary to making a project move quicker than LinuxMCE has moved in its several years. t's currently not even finally released 0710, which is over a year behind schedule, so much that 0810 is several months old, still (insistently) early alpha, and showing few if any signs that it will be released before Ubuntu 0904 is released - or even when 0710 will ever be released. If there were two or three more people making contributions, that would effectively double the team. But who wants to work with you? Only the other diehards, whose work deserves praise not just for its work product, but for their tolerating your endless, often arbitrary abuse of people coming to the project, which deprives them of help, deprives us all of completing some versions sometime.

My life includes working on LinuxMCE when I can, just like anyone else. LinuxMCE is not exclusively your life, for you to kick people out of when they contribute something that you don't value (but others with standing do value). I say this not because I want to continue your flamewar, or because I expect that you'll agree, or even listen. But maybe sometime down the road you might recognize why something is going wrong for you, because this message explains it, and you might be less inclined to slam down again. For your sake, and for the sake of any project you're working on, I hope so.

You may now dismiss me with some conceited insult. I will not respond.
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: tschak909 on January 15, 2009, 04:31:49 pm
Actually, MediaEngineer. 0710 was released, we just never changed the name from RC2 to release.

But, you're in with the developers enough to know that, right?

;)

Please fellas, STOP this. It serves no purpose.

MediaEngineer, if you actually want to help, get in and listen to what's going on in the #linuxmce-devel channel. We have our task lists, and things we are doing... Look on Trac....

And perhaps take a task and deal with it... Then and only then, would I personally listen to any criticism.

Until then, shut the fuck up.

-Thom
Title: Re: Building for 0810
Post by: Zaerc on January 15, 2009, 05:41:46 pm
Instead of copy/pasting 2 wiki pages together, it would be way more helpful if you actually tried the alpha1 release and shared your own experience.  There is no added value in lumping these together whatsoever.

Did you delete the combined alpha wiki article that I created?
Yes, that is what we do with redundant pages.  And merely pasting two pages together without adding anything is not what I 'd call something you "created".

The page I created was not redundant to the other separate pages. As I explained in this thread (http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6593.msg42798#msg42798), I factored out the problems from the different alpha versions that were before combined into one ambiguous shared section into a separate section for each version. That separation made it possible for developers, testers and trackers to tell whether an issue was resolved or not in a given version, and made it easier to report confirmations or changes. Which encourages other people to help the development, testing and reporting. Which at least one major developer was grateful for:
fantastic... thank you so much, for doing that.

-Thom

I see you often complain that people make requests according to their own interests for developers to work on for them, instead of helping. Yet when I did a little work to assist the alpha development, to help people contribute or to use the contributions, you unilaterally destroyed my contribution. Even though it at worst did no harm. That's a bad way to work together to move this project forward.

That page was in fact completely redundant since it contained no extra information whatsoever other then was already on the seperate pages that you pasted together.  If this is all the "assistance" you have to offer, then please don't bother.  Neither did I "destroy" anything as you so dramaticly put it since all the information that was on it is still in the wiki on the original pages that you copied it from (proving once more that it was indeed totally redundant). 

Disambiguation is nonredundant. The structure splitting known issues per version was structural info facilitating testing/revision that is now lost. Not only did you unilaterally decide no one should have that utility, but you did so even after seeing fellow a developer publicly thank me for doing it.

Your defensiveness that denies these facts is part of your attitude that is counterproductive to a team working together on this project. And I am far from the first to say so in these forums, which decreases the chances that anyone will join the team, even to contribute just a little - which collectively goes a long way.

Dude, get a life of your own.


This message is my last in what you have now converted to a pure flamewar, missing any points relevant to this project. I will not make the same mistake.

Your insult shows exactly what the problem is here: you think that LinuxMCE is your life, and no one else who doesn't agree with you is welcome in it. You flame people all the time, especially new appearances who you drive from the project forever, when they make a request that you say doesn't meet your priorities. Which is bad enough, driving away people who, if encouraged, could produce more code contributors and others necessary to making a project move quicker than LinuxMCE has moved in its several years. t's currently not even finally released 0710, which is over a year behind schedule, so much that 0810 is several months old, still (insistently) early alpha, and showing few if any signs that it will be released before Ubuntu 0904 is released - or even when 0710 will ever be released. If there were two or three more people making contributions, that would effectively double the team. But who wants to work with you? Only the other diehards, whose work deserves praise not just for its work product, but for their tolerating your endless, often arbitrary abuse of people coming to the project, which deprives them of help, deprives us all of completing some versions sometime.

My life includes working on LinuxMCE when I can, just like anyone else. LinuxMCE is not exclusively your life, for you to kick people out of when they contribute something that you don't value (but others with standing do value). I say this not because I want to continue your flamewar, or because I expect that you'll agree, or even listen. But maybe sometime down the road you might recognize why something is going wrong for you, because this message explains it, and you might be less inclined to slam down again. For your sake, and for the sake of any project you're working on, I hope so.

You may now dismiss me with some conceited insult. I will not respond.

Bla bla bla, I can't even be bothered to read all your winging anymore.  Now was there even one thing on that page that wasn't  in the wiki already? No? Then STFU you arrogant piece of dead weight baggage. 

The last thing we need is another huge mess like all the different pages on building the source, or did you forget complaining about that too?  Or how about we paste all the wiki pages together so that everyone won't have to look around and can easily find all the info "conveniently" on a single page.  ::)

Now I've got a good mind to skip this weeks update (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/LinuxMCE-0810_alpha1#20090118_.28upcoming.29) and let you and your big mouth handle it, good luck with that! :P  Otherwise, don't let the door hit you on your way out...  And we're really going to miss all these wonderful "contributions" from you!  (can you even name a single one?)