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Title: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on November 08, 2008, 04:03:02 pm
Hello, everyone.

I know some of you bought WebDT 366's at my suggestion, suddenly found yourselves unable to run the WinCE orbiter software, because the version of WinCE was too new for the build currently in 0710.

While we are working on building WinCE versions of the orbiters for newer targets, I have also pursued an altern the ate means of getting these devices to run Orbiter.

I have put together a very tight Debian, with the orbiter bootstrapped over the top of it. It works, and it works very well.

However, there are still things that need to be done, and if you guys can help, please step in.

* Network configuration using the pad only, I do NOT wanna hook up a keyboard at all or a network card to configure this thing

* Respawning the orbiter when its watchdog timer dies (because of something taking longer than 60 seconds to complete.)

* Boot splash

* Fine tuning the boot process to make it faster. We can't do tricks like a fast resume because we'd need twice the flash space that we have on this tablet.

* expanding to other tablet types, so we can have an image for an appropriate tablet.

* an install procedure that would work simply by plugging in a USB stick.

is anyone interested in helping me finish this sucker so that I can release it to the general public?

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: totallymaxed on November 08, 2008, 04:11:13 pm
Hello, everyone.

I know some of you bought WebDT 366's at my suggestion, suddenly found yourselves unable to run the WinCE orbiter software, because the version of WinCE was too new for the build currently in 0710.

While we are working on building WinCE versions of the orbiters for newer targets, I have also pursued an altern the ate means of getting these devices to run Orbiter.

I have put together a very tight Debian, with the orbiter bootstrapped over the top of it. It works, and it works very well.

However, there are still things that need to be done, and if you guys can help, please step in.

* Network configuration using the pad only, I do NOT wanna hook up a keyboard at all or a network card to configure this thing

* Respawning the orbiter when its watchdog timer dies (because of something taking longer than 60 seconds to complete.)

* Boot splash

* Fine tuning the boot process to make it faster. We can't do tricks like a fast resume because we'd need twice the flash space that we have on this tablet.

* expanding to other tablet types, so we can have an image for an appropriate tablet.

* an install procedure that would work simply by plugging in a USB stick.

is anyone interested in helping me finish this sucker so that I can release it to the general public?

-Thom


Hi Thom,

We're interested in this for sure - I've always thought it a little crazy we dont have a linux based stand alone Orbiter. But since we did not buy WebDT's we'd want to target another ARM based Wince device. I'll need to look at what other stuff we have lined up in the next few weeks but pending that not being too heavy we can commit some time to the overall effort.

I'll let you know tomorrow if thats ok?

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on November 08, 2008, 04:30:35 pm
sounds good to me.  the end result should be nothing short of a usb stick that you can cram into the tablet's port, that does the wipe, install, configure.

given the nature of embedded devices and the lack of space, we'll have to make versions for the tablets we wish to support...

for example, the system compliment of my WebDT 366 is:

* AMD (NSC) Geode GX2/533mhz
* AMD CS5536 supporting chipset
* AMD Geode display chip
* Penmount DMC9000 4-wire resistive display attached to /dev/ttyS0 at 19200bps
* Cisco Aironet 350 PCMCIA 802.11b card

all in all, a fairly well supported unit. I was surprised. I did have to get Penmount's driver (which did have source code, but you can't use the driver in xorg).

as an aside, Do you have ANY idea how challenging it is to shoehorn a "well, it needs to be embedded and then some" setup into 512 megs of flash? whee.. it took me 6 tries to get a system build small enough to fit. The irony? it was less painful than trying to get a working WinCE orbiter.  ;)

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jondecker76 on November 08, 2008, 08:56:59 pm
I just missed the boat on the WebDT 366s - when I wnet on ebay to check, the auction had already ended. I emailed them to see if they had more, but never got a response (I would have bought at least 4 of these)

I see some other WebDT devices (don't remember the model number) going cheap, though they don't look quite as nice.. Maybe I'll have to check them out.

Anyways, I still run 4 Datalux iPix touchscreens (running WindowsXP), and I have interest in a Linux based orbiter on these - I'll have to try to catch you on IRC one of these days and try to put an x86 linux build together.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on November 08, 2008, 08:59:09 pm
trust me, unless it's a webdt 310, 360, 366, or 375...YOU DON'T WANT IT!

This particular build only runs on WebDT 366 units

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: slampt on November 10, 2008, 12:04:33 am
Hey Thom,

Any chance of getting it to run on the Webdt 375s and if there is anything I can do to help let me know?
I don't know if it is just me or if my 375s are dodgey but the orbiter on them likes to crash a lot.

Cheers
Slampt.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on November 10, 2008, 01:28:22 am
in short. no.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on November 24, 2008, 04:29:08 am
Okay fellas, after much work, it's finally here:

Release 1.0 of the PadOrbiter for WebDT 366 is now released:

What it has over the original beta release:

* An autonomous installer. Just flash the stick... plug in the stick...and go. No keyboard or any other devices needed.
* A tablet configurator... easily set your network parameters, complete with on-screen keyboard
* Fully configurable orbiter. Orbiter has been patched to create the correct orbiter template and everything automatically, no need to manually configure anything in web admin.
* Nice splash screens
* All buttons work and are mappable, including the 4-way pad on the right.
* Suspend-to-ram when power button is pressed. Hold for full shutdown.

In short, it's complete.

and can be gotten here: http://www.localeconcept.com/private/webpad-gamma1.dd.bz2

it is a bzip2'd image containing a raw disk dump. Simply uncompress and use dd or an equivalent utility to write the raw disk image onto a USB stick.

That's it.

Let me know how it works, guys.
-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on November 24, 2008, 05:19:48 am
Quite possibly I'm doing something wrong, but I downloaded the file, ran the following as root after unzipping the file:

dd if=webpad-gamma1.dd of=/dev/sda1

13148640 records in and the same out
673184792 bytes (673 MB) copied


and upon starting the 366 it boots from the usb stick but says:

USB Boot Device :  MASS Storage Class [00F9h/FFh/3Fh]
Missing operating system.
No boot device present. Halting.


Any suggestions?
Thanks
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on November 24, 2008, 05:25:54 am
dude, make sure you use a 1GB stick minimum.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on November 24, 2008, 05:32:31 am
it's a 2 gb stick
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on November 24, 2008, 05:48:29 am
hmm something's up.. tkmedia was able to use the stick on a few of the tablets.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on November 24, 2008, 05:54:18 am
I just downloaded the file again and am trying to find a different usb stick... will let you know of any progress.   Going to be for tonight, but will try again tomorrow and let you know.


Thanks for the help
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: asplodzor on November 24, 2008, 10:46:21 am
Perhaps I may be dense in this, but where does one go about acquiring a WebDT 366 from? I've checked around occasionally on ebay and craigslist, but have never even once seen one available.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: totallymaxed on November 24, 2008, 11:26:43 am
Perhaps I may be dense in this, but where does one go about acquiring a WebDT 366 from? I've checked around occasionally on ebay and craigslist, but have never even once seen one available.

Contact tkmedia he has some for sale currently and can ship them with Thom's Orbiter installed and ready to go.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on November 25, 2008, 04:18:41 am
OK- 3 computers later, 3 OS's later (ubuntu 710, kubuntu 610 and lmce using kubuntu 710), and 3 usb drives later, still no luck.

I've tried a 2gb OCZ usb stick, a pqi 4gb stick and a 8gb patriot memory.  Only the 2gb stick says that the OS is missing; the other 2 say that the usb device is initializing, but then the device boots up Win CE.

Any other suggestions?

Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on November 25, 2008, 05:53:08 am
I write the stick like this:

bunzip2 webpad.dd.bz2
dd if=webpad.dd of=/dev/sdX

where sdX is your SD stick.

This is for a WebDT 366? We do not support the 360, yet.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tkmedia on November 25, 2008, 06:01:43 am
I wonder if our friend u3 is causing problems

do those sticks co0me with windows ready boost by chance?


if so try it with a non u3 stick or try the u3 uninstaller


HTH

Tim
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on November 25, 2008, 02:46:50 pm
Thom-  yes, this was one of the 366's from the ebay auction and I used the same process for writing the dd to the stick- I am using the gamm1 version posted earlier in this thread.

Tim- at least 1 (the 8 gb stick) has ready boost- I will try to uninstall that and try again.

Thanks
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Zaerc on November 25, 2008, 04:27:27 pm
Perhaps an idea to check the MD5sum on the downloaded image?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on November 25, 2008, 07:49:22 pm
Good though with the u3, but I ran a utility and it says that u3 is not on the drives.

My md5sums:
aa172192774fe21dc53c99200cb80aac  webpad-gamma1.dd
d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e  webpad-gamma1.dd.bz2



Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tkmedia on November 26, 2008, 09:00:25 pm
i have used the gamma boot image successfully on pny 2bg with u3  and kingston data traveler 2gb


Tim
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on November 26, 2008, 09:03:35 pm
I am currently researching how to graft on the Photo Screen Saver.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on November 26, 2008, 09:41:06 pm
i have used the gamma boot image successfully on pny 2bg with u3  and kingston data traveler 2gb


Tim



Thanks Tim,
If you get a few minutes, can you post your md5sum so I can compare?  I'm trying one last thing tonight with a windows box and a windows based dd program- took hours last night to copy the image to my drive and that one (the patriot) didn't work this AM, but going to try again with the OCZ.  Not sure why it would matter.

If that doesn't work, I'll send you the $$ via paypal and see if you can get a flash drive shipped w/my other order.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on November 27, 2008, 05:35:07 am
OK-  I know I'm not this dumb.   I bought 4 new flash drives tonight, all => 2gb and all did not have u3 installed on them (verified before purchasing)

2 are pny, 1x sony and 1x DANE Electric.


I used the following commands:
sudo bunzip2 webpad-gamma1.dd.bz2
sudo dd if=webpad-gamma1.dd of=/dev/sda1


I can't believe that 7 flash drives have problems with the software and I have a hard time believing that the software has problems as that Thom and Tim have used it successfully.  Hence, I am doing something wrong or my WebDT 366 is not accepting the information.  All 4 of the latest flash drives caused the 366 to give the "Missing Operating System." error.


Tim-  please expect a Paypal and PM tomorrow.

Thanks,
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: deffcon on November 27, 2008, 10:09:25 am
Hi,

Maybe a stupid action but i was qurious about the orbiter, now it comes, i managed to install it on a samsung q1, but of course problemes with the display driver so far i can see, is there i way to adjust parameters to add the driver for the samsung q1 and touchscreen drivers ( on the new ubuntu mid, the touchscreen works ) , maybe in single mode i can adjust these parameters, but need the root maintenance password, anyone who can help me with this, maybe there are more people with an similar device.

Thnx,

Dave
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on November 27, 2008, 08:40:40 pm
root password is root

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tkmedia on November 28, 2008, 06:44:14 am


I used the following commands:
sudo bunzip2 webpad-gamma1.dd.bz2
sudo dd if=webpad-gamma1.dd of=/dev/sda1

WARNING make sure you know what disk you are working with.

/dev/sdX where sdX is your usb stick

WARNING

I think I see your problem
Try
sudo dd if=webpad-gamma1.dd of=/dev/sda
Instead

P.s. got your pay-pal
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on December 02, 2008, 04:06:01 pm
Oops- never responded.

For the sake of completeness, Tim's (tkmedia) solution was right no- I was using the wrong command with the extra "1" on the end of the command.

Changing this made all the difference and the DT366 flashed without a hitch.  Now to expand my wireless network so the device is functional in all areas of the house.  Understandably the pages load slowly when there is a notable distance between the wireless router and the device, but snappy as in Thom's videos when the connection is good. 

The suspend feature was a nice surprise.  If you press the power button the device will suspend and (pressing the button again) awake flawlessly.


Tim and Thom- thanks for your help.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tkmedia on December 02, 2008, 05:02:20 pm
Cool I am glad you got it working..

Yes the suspend feature is great..


Tim
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: alx9r on December 07, 2008, 04:38:38 am
I just got my hands on the WebDT 360 I bought from tkmedia.  It was preloaded with an orbiter image although I'm not sure exactly which version.  It boots with the nice penguin splash screen (that screen definitely scores WAF points, thanks thom!).

After I enter the SSID it just stays at the penguin screen indefinitely.  (I've disabled any encryption on my network to rule that out.)

1. What should I see after completing the wireless network settings?

2. How/when does the orbiter try to connect to the core? 

I figured I would have to tell the orbiter the IP address of the core at some point.

Thanks,

Alex
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on December 07, 2008, 04:44:04 am
After entering in the SSID of your network (CASE SENSITIVE!) it should bring up a screen asking:

* default orbiter user
* default orbiter room
* skin

etc.

The core is defined as dcerouter as 192.168.80.1 ... assuming you didn't mess with the network settings, this should be correct.

Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on December 07, 2008, 09:33:56 pm
I am trying to install the image on a 366 with exactly 512 mb of flash and 256 mb of ram.  At 97% the WebDT 366 says that it ran out of room.  I just ordered a flash drive to upgrade the internal flash to 1GB from the 512 but was curious if there were other suggestions.

Also, how similar are the different revisions of the orbiter?  Specifically revisions 1.1 and 1.3.  Would I need to change the image to "fit" this other device?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on December 07, 2008, 10:25:50 pm
It will simply not use the additional space on the flash. This is okay :)

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: alx9r on December 08, 2008, 03:44:56 am
After entering in the SSID of your network (CASE SENSITIVE!) it should bring up a screen asking:

* default orbiter user
* default orbiter room
* skin

etc.

The core is defined as dcerouter as 192.168.80.1 ... assuming you didn't mess with the network settings, this should be correct.
Configuring my router to assign the EXTERNAL port IP address to 192.168.80.1 did the trick.

I got my WebDT working this morning...super nice.  Thanks!

Alex
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on December 08, 2008, 04:08:04 am
np, i'm glad it worked..but i think you need to reorder things to the recommended network configuration. It can avoid things like this.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: alx9r on December 08, 2008, 04:37:18 pm
i think you need to reorder things to the recommended network configuration. It can avoid things like this.

agreed.  it's in the works.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: krys on December 26, 2008, 10:13:47 pm
Is it possible, or will it ever be possible to view the TV listings on the orbiter instead of on the TV, and scroll/select the channel this way? Also I finally got my 366 imaged and I cant figure out how to put it in suspend mode instead of just turning completely off.
Thanks,
_Krys
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on December 27, 2008, 01:53:38 am
Yes.

If you look at some of my earlier postings (search for orbiter EPG), I had done exactly this.

Basically, there are two data grids that are exposed by the MythTV plugin, as well as the VDR Plugin:

* Current Shows - Which shows a list of all channels, and the current shows on them.
* All Shows - Which shows a list of all shows on the currently selected channel in Current Shows.

Screen 242 is reserved for this purpose, and is currently only filled in for the UI2 variation as the on-screen gyro-guide.

If you open up the designobj pointed to by Screen 242, you'll see these two data grids laid out side by side, and some other buttons etc.

However the default data grids for this purpose used on this screen were designed to be automatically scrolled by the MouseHandler present on the UI2 OSD, and thus do not have <Scroll Up> <Scroll Down> buttons available for use on UI1 orbiters, so you have to copy down the settings for those data grids into new data grid objects. I added a P to the extra options field so that the data grid could be scrolled.

I also built a new designobj for the TV guide views so that I could change the cell background image etc...

I also remember at one point I had replaced the left keypad area with the current shows datagrid, but I took it off...It will be back on my system at least sometime after 0810's release.

These were not released to the public because I wanted to do more UI tweaking, but my point is, if you're willing to learn designer, and dig in a bit, you CAN implement this without needing to touch the code base.

I do know posde was doing work in this area as well, he has a custom designed VDR remote, that has his EPG on it. I do not know whether we will be releasing it into the main database as is..

Point being, you can do it, if you're willing to put in some time. :)

Oh, also. Suspend works simply by pressing the power button. If you hold it down, you will turn it completely off.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: krys on December 27, 2008, 02:41:25 am
Cool, I just wanted to make sure I wouldnt be spinning my wheels. This thing rocks man, I am so happy with the way it works!
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on December 27, 2008, 03:00:53 am
I'm glad it works for you. This is why I do what I do. :)

Merry post-Xmas ;)

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jthodges on January 22, 2009, 04:54:20 pm
In short, it's complete.

and can be gotten here: http://www.localeconcept.com/private/webpad-gamma1.dd.bz2

Is there a mirror for this anywhere?  This link does not seem to be working for me.  Or maybe this isn't even the latest image anymore?

Edit: sorry, should have given it some time.  Tried again in ~10 minutes and it started working.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tkmedia on January 22, 2009, 05:54:46 pm
pop over to #linuxmce if you need help




Tim
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: colinjones on January 22, 2009, 08:02:50 pm
tk - what is in the gamma version that wouldn't have been in the version you shipped to me? is it just bug fixes or enhancements? is there a wiki article?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on January 22, 2009, 11:11:53 pm
to my knowledge, tkmedia shipped all the tablets with the gamma1 release.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tkmedia on January 22, 2009, 11:28:24 pm
Yes all have been shipped with the gamma release.



Tim
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: sinnor on January 30, 2009, 03:56:06 am
Does WPA work with the DT366?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on January 30, 2009, 04:04:58 am
Not without replacing the network card in the unit.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: sinnor on January 30, 2009, 04:37:31 am
Does wep work with the existing card then?

What is working wpa card or where can I get more info on it?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on January 30, 2009, 07:05:00 am
yes WEP works with the existing card.

The existing card is typically a Cisco Aironet 350, which its firmware has severe problems with WPA, as the card was designed before WPA became standardised.

If you wish to replace the card, You need another type of card with antenna couplings that can fit in the PCMCIA slot with nothing sticking out past the top of the slot, there aren't many like that.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: hari on January 30, 2009, 09:37:45 am
to be exact it is the linux driver that has problems with wpa. The airo-wpa driver kinda works but looses connection now and then. That makes the Orbiter timeout and relaunch. Not the best experience..

I'm now using a normal cardbus 802.11g card. When you remove the antenna that covers the slot you can fit pretty any wlan card into the slot.

best regards,
Hari
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: KingCrab on January 30, 2009, 09:48:00 am
Hi Everybody,

there is a WebDT 360 on german Ebay right now and while readig through this thread I get a little bit confused.

There is a post from tschak909:
Quote
This is for a WebDT 366? We do not support the 360, yet.

and another one from alx9r saying:
Quote
I just got my hands on the WebDT 360 I bought from tkmedia.  It was preloaded with an orbiter image although I'm not sure exactly which version.

Can anybody please clarify if 360s are supported at the moment, as I'm very interested in buying this device...

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: hari on January 30, 2009, 12:57:42 pm
the WebDT366 are supported by tschak's image. The 360 are not.

br, Hari
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: sinnor on February 01, 2009, 03:27:15 pm
Thanks for the added information on this guys. I have a few Netgear cards I will test out later using WPA to see if I can get it going.

Now, I gotta try to find some of the docking units for the dt366.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tkmedia on February 01, 2009, 06:15:52 pm
Quote
Now, I gotta try to find some of the docking units for the dt366.

If you cant find any used ones.


http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=7325.new#new


Tim
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: sinnor on February 05, 2009, 01:43:31 am
Hari, I believe you mentioned in another thread that you are using a Netgear WPN511 V2. What is the difference between the v2 and the standard one? I know the netgear are being sold really cheap as refurb cards. I was able to grab one for $9 canadian...I will test to see if it works.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: donpaul on March 25, 2009, 07:35:56 pm
I get this error after flashing on boot:

Can't read CTR while initializing i8042

Then I get the splash screen, but nothing else. I never get the network setup. Any ideas?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on March 25, 2009, 07:37:42 pm
press the third soft button on the bottom when the splash screen has appeared.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: donpaul on March 25, 2009, 07:54:55 pm
press the third soft button on the bottom when the splash screen has appeared.

-Thom


That had no effect.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on March 25, 2009, 08:04:15 pm
attach a keyboard, when you see the splash screen, type control-C t
it should display a terminal.

then try running /usr/local/bin/TabletCFG

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 26, 2009, 12:37:04 am
Thom, hope You can maybe help me.
Recently i bought WebDT 366 from ebay. Thought it has only 256MB flash drive, but as I was fooling around with it i found that it has 512MB flash. Only "problem" it might be that its partioned into 2 partitions (One is 468MB and the other is 18MB, and I guess the rest is used for WIndows CE being loaded). Can I still use Your PAdOrbiter, just hook it up?Will it repartition the disk and then flash it?

Thanks in advance for Your reply.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on March 26, 2009, 12:53:41 am
it will completely wipe the flash.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 26, 2009, 01:05:45 am
it will completely wipe the flash.

Thanx Thom. I will try it tommorow and report back.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: donpaul on March 26, 2009, 04:27:37 am
Ivan, I had the same problem. Boot the webpad with a live USB stick, and wipe out the partitions, otherwise it will fail. I used UBCD and removed the 2 partitions, created a single one, then booted to Thom's image. Everything works now.

BTW, great work Thom!
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 26, 2009, 02:58:34 pm
Ivan, I had the same problem. Boot the webpad with a live USB stick, and wipe out the partitions, otherwise it will fail. I used UBCD and removed the 2 partitions, created a single one, then booted to Thom's image. Everything works now.

Thanks for the info Paul, i was thinking about what would have happened if i just plugged in PAdORbiter. Trying right now to wipe flash on DT, will try later when i dd the PadOrbiter on my USB stick. 
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 26, 2009, 03:17:01 pm
Paul, did You ran into any errors when trying to make USB bootable?
After running C:\ubcd\tools\ubcd2usb\ubcd2usb.bat UBCD2USB C:\ubcd k: -y from Run in Windows XP i get an error there is no ldlinux.sys file in syslinux folder and i can clearly see it in my folder. Will try to find out on google, just wanted to check here first if You have ran into any similliar problems.

Thanks in advance for Your reply.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 26, 2009, 07:15:56 pm
Paul, did You ran into any errors when trying to make USB bootable?
After running C:\ubcd\tools\ubcd2usb\ubcd2usb.bat UBCD2USB C:\ubcd k: -y from Run in Windows XP i get an error there is no ldlinux.sys file in syslinux folder and i can clearly see it in my folder. Will try to find out on google, just wanted to check here first if You have ran into any similliar problems.

Lol. how i like to qoute myself:)
Nevermind the error, got it all sorted out. Just had to run it from cmd, not frum Run command. Now in process of wipping disks and hoping to get DT flashed with PadOrbiter in next few hours (damn that social life and birthdays ;D ;D ;D)
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: BadWolf on March 26, 2009, 07:38:00 pm
So... if the webdt 366 Bios permits boot from usb that means that for those who have a smaller flash drive (smaller than the 512)
they can just install the padorbiter into it!! Am i wrong??

Oliveira.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 27, 2009, 02:52:06 pm
Thom, i flashed my DT with Your PadOrbiter, all went well. After typing in my SSID (no password since it is for testing purposes) all I get is LMCE logo, black X cursor and one black pixel square on the upper left corner of my DT. Any ideas?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on March 27, 2009, 03:00:47 pm
Did you set your network up correctly as described in the FAQ?

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 27, 2009, 03:10:40 pm
Did you set your network up correctly as described in the FAQ?

Yup, Core has 2 NICs, internal is 192.168.80.1. I can sucessfully rn Nokia 770 as my ORbiter (using Wfi)
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on March 27, 2009, 03:14:21 pm
You can access the pad either by connecting a usb keyboard, and

tapping control-C t

or by sshing into the pad itself, username is root, password is root.

Please look to see if:

* ifconfig gives the network card a proper address, and if
* iwconfig gives the network card a proper wireless ID?

-Thom

Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 27, 2009, 03:39:41 pm
You can access the pad either by connecting a usb keyboard, and

tapping control-C t

or by sshing into the pad itself, username is root, password is root.

Please look to see if:

* ifconfig gives the network card a proper address, and if
* iwconfig gives the network card a proper wireless ID?

Thom, here is the ifconfig file: (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2285/27032009229.th.jpg) (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27032009229.jpg)

Here is the iwconfig file: (http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6599/27032009228.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27032009228.jpg)

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

P. S. Is there any chance that my Wifi is not turned on?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on March 27, 2009, 03:52:47 pm
According to this:

You're using WEP encryption, is this correct?

WPA is not supported by the Cisco Aironet 350 card inside the unit.

It seems the system thinks your access point is invalid. Make sure the key is right.

You can re-access the tablet configurator by pressing the third button from the left.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 27, 2009, 04:10:11 pm
According to this:

You're using WEP encryption, is this correct?

WPA is not supported by the Cisco Aironet 350 card inside the unit.

It seems the system thinks your access point is invalid. Make sure the key is right.

You can re-access the tablet configurator by pressing the third button from the left.

-Thom

No Thom, i dont use any protection. I will try to flash it again and see what happenes. I am sure i chose opetion of No Key and no protection when entering SSID.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on March 27, 2009, 04:29:13 pm
No, you didn't. iwconfig is showing me a network key in that screenshot.

Press the third button... wait for tabletCFG to come up.

Change the network option to none, and try again.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 28, 2009, 07:47:49 pm
No, you didn't. iwconfig is showing me a network key in that screenshot.
Press the third button... wait for tabletCFG to come up.
Change the network option to none, and try again.

Just wanted to thank You Thom for YOur patience and time You took to help me make it work.
As I said before, i was sure i didnt have any kind of protection (WEP,WPA) and i tottaly agree with You that iwconfig was showing LIKE i was using some protection. I tottaly forgot that i was using MAC filtering 8) 8) 8) 8)

So, for any other ppl with similiar problems, check if You are using mac filtering.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: system error101 on March 29, 2009, 01:16:44 am
Ivan, I had the same problem. Boot the webpad with a live USB stick, and wipe out the partitions, otherwise it will fail. I used UBCD and removed the 2 partitions, created a single one, then booted to Thom's image. Everything works now.

BTW, great work Thom!

I had a similar problem... I think i am missing a step, because when i boot up my DT366 with a USB hard drive attached, it would start reading, but then it would say "Checking Boot USB device" and then "Bad Command or File Name"

Any idea on what the problem might be? I have a 70Gb Hd hooked up since I didn't have a flash drive that would fit in the slot...
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on March 29, 2009, 01:28:54 am
Use a USB extender cable to hook up a flash drive that won't fit.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: system error101 on March 29, 2009, 06:12:14 am
Use a USB extender cable to hook up a flash drive that won't fit.

-Thom


I just ran into another problem. When I power up, it loads for a while and then says "Bad Command..." and I dont even have anything connected (flash drive)... I guess it must have deleted a part of the Windows CE OS that was running on there... ALSO, do I just have to download the webpad gamma file, extract it, stick it on my 4gb flash drive and connect it to the dt366 or Do I have to also type some commands for the file to boot? Another thing that I'm unclear about is how to put the extracted gamma file on the flash drive. Do I just drag and drop or is there a program that I should be using to "write" the file to the flash drive...???

Thanks.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on March 29, 2009, 07:45:03 am
You need to actually _READ_ the thread.

You have to use a program that writes the data to the disk, sector by sector. This is a raw disk image.

Use 'dd' or another program like it to write the image directly to the disk image, bypassing the filesystem.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 29, 2009, 04:00:04 pm
I just ran into another problem. When I power up, it loads for a while and then says "Bad Command..." and I dont even have anything connected (flash drive)... I guess it must have deleted a part of the Windows CE OS that was running on there... ALSO, do I just have to download the webpad gamma file, extract it, stick it on my 4gb flash drive and connect it to the dt366 or Do I have to also type some commands for the file to boot? Another thing that I'm unclear about is how to put the extracted gamma file on the flash drive. Do I just drag and drop or is there a program that I should be using to "write" the file to the flash drive...???
Thanks.

Like Thom said, READ the article.
In short steps, transfer webpad-gamma1.dd to Your KDE, put it somewhere You will remember it. Open terminal window, login as root. Navigate to folder where You transfered webpad-gamma1.dd. Then enter
dd if=webpad-gamma1.dd of=/dev/sdX (where X is YOur USB stick. In my case it was b, You can find out by righ clicking on USB icon and search there). After dd has done its work You have a bootable PadORbiter stick, which u just plug in WebDT and it will automaticly boot from it. If You need keyboard and mouse, You can hook up USB hub and plug in all You need.
Again, READ the article, first page has all what You need to know. If You still dont know what or how to do, i think its easier You oreder WebDT with peloaded PadOrbiter from tkmedia. I am complete Linux newbie, but from Thoms instructions it was all clear to me.

P. S. Are You sure u have 1 partition on Your WebDT?If not, read page 5 of this thread and You will get a picture how to repartition Your flash drive.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: system error101 on March 29, 2009, 09:58:11 pm
You need to actually _READ_ the thread.

You have to use a program that writes the data to the disk, sector by sector. This is a raw disk image.

Use 'dd' or another program like it to write the image directly to the disk image, bypassing the filesystem.

-Thom

I read all 6 pages twice... I just wasn't sure if dd was the name of the program or not. I also wanted to make sure that I had the correct commands... Thanks for your help, I will give it a try once my new flash drive comes in. I will report back once I try it again.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on March 30, 2009, 01:41:30 am
I read all 6 pages twice... I just wasn't sure if dd was the name of the program or not. I also wanted to make sure that I had the correct commands... Thanks for your help, I will give it a try once my new flash drive comes in. I will report back once I try it again.

No problem systemerror101. You will have to get used to the fact that YOu will have to try a lot on Your own even if You are not sure what You are doing. I have reinstalled my LMCE 15+ times and every time i learned something new. Asking questions that have already been anwsered makes people mad, they have every right to think that YOu are too lazy to read on Your own. People are here to help, but Your questions must be precise.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: system error101 on March 30, 2009, 02:17:45 am

Quote
No problem systemerror101. You will have to get used to the fact that YOu will have to try a lot on Your own even if You are not sure what You are doing. I have reinstalled my LinuxMCE 15+ times and every time i learned something new. Asking questions that have already been anwsered makes people mad, they have every right to think that YOu are too lazy to read on Your own. People are here to help, but Your questions must be precise.

I went out and got a 4Gb Flash drive... I tried using dd, but I am not getting it... Here is where I am stuck (sorry for bugging you guys). After downloading 5 different versions of dd, I finally managed to get a copy that boots up. All the others just crashed on me. My flash drive letter is "I" and I have the gamma file on my HD (D:\gamma\webpad-gamma1.dd)

I cant figure out how to write the gamma file to the flash drive through dd. You mentioned that I need to open a terminal and log in as root, find the file and then type: dd if=webpad-gamma1.dd of=/dev/sdX where X is my flash drive "I". I don't know what you mean by log in as root. Lets say I am on my computer and i open the terminal windows for dd, Do I located the gamma file through the dd terminal window and then type in the dd if=webpad-gamma1.dd of=/dev/sdX command???

Thanks for your help, sorry for being such a pain. I read all the pages and I cant seem to get it.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: colinjones on March 30, 2009, 02:57:39 am
You should be doing this on your linux box, not a windows machine!

dd is already installed. plug in your flash into your core (say), find out what device it gets called eg /dev/sdb, then

dd if=webpad-gamma1.dd of=/dev/sdb

Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tarpy on April 02, 2009, 10:10:36 pm
Question for Thom or others.
I just purchased a WebDT 366. I did not realize that it needed to 512mb of flash for Thom's image. I now have it and am trying to confirm how much flash it has. The Ebay seller said 256mb, but I just want to confirm as it does not specify that on the outside of the unit, that I am aware of.

I opened the unit up and the part number on what I think is the ide flash drive is "dh0512m44rk1".
Just like the picture on this website. http://webdt.org/index.php?topic=40.0

The model number to me would make me think (hope) it is a 512 flash, but like I said I am not positive.
I would rather not try to flash it and loose contents only to find out I was wrong.

Separate question, if my webdt 366 is 256flash then would it be possible to install a bootable image on a usb flash drive and just boot to that permanently? similar to what people are doing with nimbleX on WebDT 366 http://webdt.org/index.php?topic=20.0 (I realize this is only running linux off of usb flash with not linuxmce front end, but it shows running linux off usb flash drive).
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on April 03, 2009, 02:40:28 am
Question for Thom or others.
I just purchased a WebDT 366. I did not realize that it needed to 512mb of flash for Thom's image. I now have it and am trying to confirm how much flash it has. The Ebay seller said 256mb, but I just want to confirm as it does not specify that on the outside of the unit, that I am aware of.
I opened the unit up and the part number on what I think is the ide flash drive is "dh0512m44rk1".
Just like the picture on this website. http://webdt.org/index.php?topic=40.0
The model number to me would make me think (hope) it is a 512 flash, but like I said I am not positive.
I would rather not try to flash it and loose contents only to find out I was wrong.
I also thought mine had 256MB flash drive. after messing in CE i saw 2 partitions. To be sure, run UBCD on USB and there You have a lots of partition tools so You can make sure You have 256 or 512MB flash disk.

Quote
Separate question, if my webdt 366 is 256flash then would it be possible to install a bootable image on a usb flash drive and just boot to that permanently? similar to what people are doing with nimbleX on WebDT 366 http://webdt.org/index.php?topic=20.0 (I realize this is only running linux off of usb flash with not linuxmce front end, but it shows running linux off usb flash drive).
I dont think that PadOrbiter can be ran from flash drive. Thom can confirm me on that one.
It aint easy to upgrade installed flash disk, DT used custom made disks, check out darkcircas post here: http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=7689.0
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: huh on April 03, 2009, 03:10:04 am
Thom-  how do you save a copy of the existing OS from the flash drive before overwriting it with LMCE?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: darkcirca on April 03, 2009, 03:15:43 am
Thom-  how do you save a copy of the existing OS from the flash drive before overwriting it with LinuxMCE?

Norton Ghost, or another method of imaging (Clonezilla, etc). You need a USB hub though so you can boot off the USB stick, and have a keyboard. I use Norton Ghost to clone on/off, boot with Win98DOS, open Ghost, then copy off to USB stick.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on April 03, 2009, 04:14:11 am
Cool-

That helps me out too.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: darkcirca on April 03, 2009, 03:09:28 pm
Cool-

That helps me out too.

It's pretty easy to do. I made my USB Device bootable (I believe with HP Tools) with the Win98DOS. I then put the Ghost.exe file on there needed to boot Ghost.

On startup, I set it to boot into the USB stick. It boots DOS, I type "ghost" and it loads Ghost. Just copy it right back over to my flash drive (or off if need be). I use this method for pretty much all my tablets, and wearable computers.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: system error101 on April 04, 2009, 09:53:16 pm
You should be doing this on your linux box, not a windows machine!

dd is already installed. plug in your flash into your core (say), find out what device it gets called eg /dev/sdb, then

dd if=webpad-gamma1.dd of=/dev/sdb



I installed Linux MCE on one of my machines and booted KDE as you instructed and then I opened the terminal window... I found out that my flash drive is /dev/sdb1
Do I need to included the "1" at the end of sdb? I tried it both ways and I still cant get it to write... I have the webpad-gamma1.dd file on my KDE desktop. Once I open the terminal window, Where do I go from there? I understand that once I locate the file I then type the "dd if=webpad-gamma1.dd of=/dev/sdb" command. But how do I located the file through the terminal window? I dragged the file to the terminal window and it listed the location, I then typed the dd command and it said "could not locate file.." or something like that. What am I missing?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: colinjones on April 05, 2009, 02:10:49 am
The 1 indicates the partition number, I think there will only be 1 partition on a thumb drive, so it probably doesn't matter which you use but probably do it without the number.

Well you really do need to know where you put the image, I can't tell you that. If you put it in the linuxmce home directory (/home/linuxmce) then you can just type the name with no path as the terminal window will default to that directory.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: system error101 on April 05, 2009, 05:22:58 am
The 1 indicates the partition number, I think there will only be 1 partition on a thumb drive, so it probably doesn't matter which you use but probably do it without the number.

Well you really do need to know where you put the image, I can't tell you that. If you put it in the linuxmce home directory (/home/linuxmce) then you can just type the name with no path as the terminal window will default to that directory.

The padorbiter file is on my KDE desktop. I know where it is, I just don't know what commands to type when I open the terminal window other than the dd command... I was told I need to first locate the orbiter file through the terminal window, and then type the dd command. I just need to know how to locate it through the terminal window. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on April 05, 2009, 05:32:25 am
Code: [Select]
cd Desktop

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: mcreim on April 06, 2009, 08:03:10 pm
Hi Thom,

first of all thank you for the image. I read the thread an manged to install MCE on my DT366.
I was wondering if it is possible to start the system without configuring the wifi-access?

I currently only have a WPA secured WLAN and as I read the Cisco-Card won't be able to use it. Since I don't plan to switch back to WEP with my WLAN I tried to simply cancel the configuration, but then the splashscreen stays "forever".

So, is there a way to get to the desktop without the wlan-config?

Thanks and greetings from germany
Michael
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jimmejames on April 06, 2009, 08:44:59 pm
I'll let Thom confirm,  but my understanding is that the information needed to get past the initial splash screen needs to be downloaded from the core- hence the wireless configuration. 

I don't see why you couldn't use a wired pcmcia card (not sure which ones are supported) and boot everything off of that- certainly less portable with the cat 5 tether.

And, to my knowledge, there is no "desktop" in the sense of Kubuntu options menus, web browser, etc other than what is provided on LinuxMCE's orbiter UI1.  There was a question posted earlier about getting a web browser on these, but I think it's currently only on the "to-do" list.

Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on May 20, 2009, 04:29:45 pm
Unfortunately, not. Windows CE 5 Pro is a licensed piece of software.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jeangot on May 28, 2009, 06:30:49 am
Hello,

I just picked up a bunch of WebDT 366 to replace my Fujitsu touchpads. The WebDTs are much thinner, silent (no harddrive) and look sleek on i removed the rugged plastic edges!

In case any of you is as stupid as me and running the core with a different subnet than 192.168.80.x, then in order to get this to work you need to connect your tablet to the wifi network, then login via SSH using root/root, then edit the file /etc/hosts and replace 192.168.80.1 with the IP of your core, then reboot the tablet.

Thank you Thom for this great solution. I always knew it was wrong to run my orbiters under Windows CE on my Fujitsu tablets!

Jean
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jeangot on June 08, 2009, 05:03:59 am
Hello,
did any of you find how to turn off the backlight of the LCD screen on these, when the orbiter goes dark?
I have had no luck with "xset dpms off" (backlight stays on). I'm wondering if this has to do with the video driver or if there is something else I could try?

I have several of these in my house now, but most of them get used rarely. It seems like a waste of power to have the backlight on 24/7. Also I have 2 of them in bedrooms, and the backlight is quite distracting in a dark room...

If someone knows  a command to turn off the backlisght, I could see if I could tie it to one of the buttons..

Jean
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on June 08, 2009, 05:14:43 am
There isn't a way to do it. I've been studying data sheets for the NSC Geode graphics chip, and this is a function of the display panel. Unfortunately, I can't find a DDC data sheet for the given panel so that I can send a command to toggle off the backlight.. somebody else wana take a shot at it?

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: colinjones on June 08, 2009, 05:23:59 am
Do the tablets have an actual Sleep mode (S2RAM, rather than to disk)? That should turn off the backlight, and have the additional benfit of svaing much more power/battery life, without having to suspend to disk, which is pretty slow. It would make it practical to have a short Sleep timeout ask the wake up would be fast enough to allow during normal use....
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on June 08, 2009, 05:26:19 am
I already implemented suspend to ram.

Just tap the power button.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: colinjones on June 08, 2009, 05:48:28 am
Oh, I thought that was suspend to disk! Whoops... So the delay in suspend and resume is not it copying memory, its just slow for some reason is going to sleep and waking? The little progress bar I interpretted as it copying memory to disk...
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: system error101 on June 15, 2009, 07:56:41 pm
Okay... So I finally managed to "install" the pad orbiter image on my WebDT 366. However, after I reboot it I ran yet into another problem... After the reboot, it asked me for my ESSID and KEY. The ESSID to my knowledge is whatever the router is named and according to my router page, my routers SSID is "linksys". And my key is a 16 digit hex key. My wireless network is WEP encrypted. I tried so many different methods and none seem to work. Once I entered the SSID and KEY it would go to the splash screen and sit there... This happened with every method. I even disabled my wireless protection and it still just say there... Any idea on what I may be doing wrong???
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on June 15, 2009, 07:59:21 pm
Make sure You dont have MAC filtering turned on, like i did:)spent 4 hours going mad until i remembered i had MAC filtering turned on.
Also make sure You type ESSID EXACTLY, including capital and small letters.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on June 15, 2009, 08:01:44 pm
It is also important that you set up the network precisely as needed by our FAQ.

(1) did you use two NICs?
(2) is the internal network 192.168.80.0/24 ?
(3) is the DCERouter reachable at 192.168.80.1?

If the answer to any of these questions is no, slap yourself for not following directions, change your setup to match, and the pad will magically boot up. :)

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: system error101 on June 15, 2009, 08:32:56 pm
Okay... I had mac filtering on, but even after shutting that down. It still doesn't boot, so I'm guessing that it has something to do with my network set up. (SLAP)... I deserved that one. Anyways... I am a bit illiterate when it comes to network setup so I have no idea what NIC's are or how to make sure that my internal network is 192.168.80.0/24 or if my DCERouter is reachable at 192.168.80.1

I am trying to get this as perfect as possible since I will be setting up a similar unit at our church for easier media access.


Thanks for all the help :)
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on June 15, 2009, 08:39:06 pm
Is Your WAP (Wireless Access Point) connected to a switch which is connected to Your core? IF not, put it LMCE internal network, shut off WAPs DHCP, let LMCE do DHCP and I am sure YOu will have a go with Your WebDT.
For a start, take a look here: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Network_Settings

P. S. NIC is Network Interface Card.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: system error101 on June 15, 2009, 08:45:34 pm
Here is how my network is setup: I have my computers and all wireless devices connected to a router and the router is connected to the ISP box or the switch if thats what your talking about.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: ivanp on June 15, 2009, 08:53:35 pm
Listen mate, ppl are here to help, not to teach.
You dint provide enough information.
Basiccly, You have to have 2 NICs in You LMCE, one is external, connects to the switch or the router which goes to the internet
Other NIC is internal, which You connect to the switch and ALL of stuff You wish to have in LMCE.
So, You can connect Your external NIC directly tzo the router, place siwthc in the internal network and attach WAP to it. then You can try to load WebDT.
Seriously, read what i gave You, YOu will get an idea why it is done that way: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Network_Settings

Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: colinjones on June 15, 2009, 11:34:13 pm
You really need to read the link he gave you.

Also, it would be highly advisable to understand basic networking terminology, otherwise you will get mixed up as to which device is which. You seem to have your terms the wrong way around. You can't connect your "computers and all wireless devices" to a router. A router routes traffic from one network to another, it doesn't connect many devices together, that is a switch.

Some of these devices are commonly combined into a single box, which can confuse matters slightly. For instance, it is common to combine an ADSL router with a switch, so that it routes traffic between the public Internet and your internal network (a router function), AND provides, say, 4 switch ports to connect multiple devices to (the switching function). ADSL broadband devices are usually routers, whereas cable broadband devices are commonly only bridge devices, and need something else to provide the standalone routing function (a LMCE core can do this for you).

If the device you are describing above is a wireless AP, then I would guess it also has a built in switch functionality and 4 switch ports. This means it combines the functions of an AP and switch, but probably not a router as well. First step, find out exactly what equipment you do have. Second, read that article on Network Setup and follow it.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Domodude on July 05, 2009, 08:34:23 am
Hi,

I'd like to go back a few posts, where people were trying to get the WebDT connect to the wireless network.
My WebDT is one of tkmedia's, second generation (acquired through another LMCE user  ;)). It once worked on my system, and unless I am very wrong, with WPA encryption.

But right now, it does not work anymore. It stopped (I think) after doing some network maintenance things, including replacement of a wireless router. I now have a simple Asus wireless router configured as a switch with also WLAN connectivity, and my N800 works flawlessly from this. Question is, why doesn't the WebDT? I have it boot, and it ends up in rat poison. I push the third button from the left, get into the wireless setting menu, and fill in SSID and key. I select WPA, and press OK. But when I do an iwconfig in a terminal on the WebDT, it tells me there is NO encryption key! /etc/network/interfaces contains something like this:
Code: [Select]
...
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp
 wpa-driver wext
 wpa-ssid MY_SSID
 wpa-psk MY_ASCII_PSK
Where am I going wrong here? Again, the n800 connects no problem. ???
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on July 05, 2009, 09:22:54 am
while my TabletCFG configures the network files correctly,

The Cisco Aironet 350 PCMCIA card present in the 366 does NOT do WPA correctly. Hari spent weeks beating it with a stick trying to graft wpa patches onto the driver and firmware to no avail...

You'll need to use WEP for the tablets, I am so sorry...

You could replace the card in the unit with another one, if you wanted.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Domodude on July 05, 2009, 10:17:45 am
Thank Thom, I guess I had it working with WEP, then.
Is there any way to see which card is present without opening the unit? Any suggestions as to a replacement network card that will work OOTB?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: hari on July 05, 2009, 11:17:50 am
e.g. the sr-71c from ubiquiti

But you might want to look for a cheaper card thats supported in linux and has mmcx connectors.

br, Hari
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Domodude on July 06, 2009, 09:40:40 am
OK, I might do that. Fow now, I downgraded the encryption to WEP and it is indeed working fine again!
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Dale_K on July 06, 2009, 05:30:29 pm
Okay... So I finally managed to "install" the pad orbiter image on my WebDT 366. However, after I reboot it I ran yet into another problem... After the reboot, it asked me for my ESSID and KEY. The ESSID to my knowledge is whatever the router is named and according to my router page, my routers SSID is "linksys". And my key is a 16 digit hex key. My wireless network is WEP encrypted. I tried so many different methods and none seem to work. Once I entered the SSID and KEY it would go to the splash screen and sit there... This happened with every method. I even disabled my wireless protection and it still just say there... Any idea on what I may be doing wrong???

With the VERY limited info you're providing I can give you a couple of tips that may or may not help you.

First, I notice you refer to your wireless device as a "router".  It is extremely important that the DHCP server in your Linksys device is turned off if it is in fact a router and not an access point.  LMCE is and must be the DHCP server on that network.  It is possible to set up a wireless router to act as a gateway only and I can help you do that if you need to.

Second, the SSID and WEP keys are case sensitive when setting up your WebPad.  This is a common error for people setting them up so make sure you have the case correct when entering these values.

If you give more specific info about your setup, we could help more.  i.e. list all devices including home pc's and how they're connected.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jeangot on July 09, 2009, 05:40:43 pm
Hello,

does anyone know how to access a console on a WebDT with Padorbiter, using a keyboard on the WebDT itself?

Normally I would connect remotely via SSH, but now my WebDTs don't connect to the wireless network anymore (my fault, new router using "wep transitionnal". It works 1 time out of 20 tries, so it must be somehow fixable) and I would like to access a console for further troubleshooting.

Display 8 (CTRL+ALT+8) has lost of debug information, but it still won't let me access a console prompt, neither does display 1.

Any ideas?

Jean
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on July 09, 2009, 05:54:25 pm
when you see the progress bar display, hit control-alt-T

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: jeangot on July 10, 2009, 07:46:08 am
Thom,

this did not work for me (I did it several time during the progress bar that appears while booting the tablet). Maybe I wasn't doing it at the right time? However in your other thread I saw you recommended ctrl + t, followed by c, once ratpoison is started, and that worked.

Thanks!

Jean
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Domodude on July 10, 2009, 02:18:38 pm
Thom, and Tim,
I think Thom mentioned a battery life of about 4 hours, but my WebDT366 runs out of juice in a matter of minutes (and I'm talking 5, not 50!). It has the external battery connected.
I'd just go ahead and buy replacement batteries, but this seems exceptionally short. Do you have any ideas on how to check for an underlying cause of this extremely short battery life?
Best regards,
Mark
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: rocketlynx on July 10, 2009, 11:08:00 pm
OK!  Got my WebDT 366 properly backed up with Ghost.  Flashed my 4Gig USB with:
SUDO dd if=webpad-gamma1.dd of=/dev/sdc

Booted the WebDT 366 with the Flashed USB Stick and all installed properly.

I then got the wireless network setup screen and screwed it up! 

I don't yet have any wireless switches on my Core's Internal LAN.  My Windows Orbiter on my Vista Laptop accesses the core through my External LAN's Wireless Router, locating the core at 192.168.0.191 which is static and never changes.

Now, one way or another I need to access the WebDT 366 Orbiter's setup somehow to change the Network setup information. If I can tell the WebOrbiter to look for the core at 192.168.0.191 instead of 192.168.80.1 this should work.
If that isn't possible, then I need to install one of my extra wireless routers on the Core's Internal LAN as a switch ONLY, and since it will have a different SSID and WEP, I'll still need to access the WebOrbiter's network setup.

Can that be done or do I just install the wireless switch on the internal LAN, set it up, and bite the friggin bullet and reflash the 366?

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on July 10, 2009, 11:10:10 pm
trust me, do the latter. Just let LinuxMCE manage your network.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: rocketlynx on July 10, 2009, 11:15:12 pm
trust me, do the latter. Just let LinuxMCE manage your network.

-Thom

Got it!  And thanks for the continued help, 
Charles
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: rocketlynx on July 11, 2009, 04:19:58 am
Whew!  Blown Away!  This WebDT 366 PadOrbiter Really Rocks...

Thanks again and Great Work Thom

Best Regards,
Charles
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on July 11, 2009, 04:49:01 am
You're welcome. When 0810 goes beta, I will do a build of PadOrbiter with the 0810 orbiter code, so you can use the new screens.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: marrandy on July 14, 2009, 05:52:44 pm
I have a dt366 from tkmedia...thnanks again.

But i'm curious.

According to the docs. the 366 comes in Two versions.

RAM -- 256 MB (GX533 version); 512 MB (LX800 version)

Do they both work with the image ?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: los93sol on July 14, 2009, 07:39:52 pm
I know this has been discussed before and it would be a lot of work to extend this functionality to orbiters, but it would be great to be able to listen to voicemails directly on the WebDT and to play music through the device.  I'd really like to use this device as a phone similar to how we can with MD's.

Can someone explain in greater detail the difference between a MD having this functionality and an orbiter?  I'm not fully grasping how LinuxMCE knows the difference or really what the difference is between a MD and an orbiter beyond that MD's can playback media.  I'm also having a difficult time understanding why you wouldn't want to use an orbiter for media, especially now that we have such nice portable touch screen devices available at decent prices.
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on July 14, 2009, 08:35:38 pm
Marrandy: both will work with this image, provided there is at least 512 (binary) megabytes of flash on the device for storing the image.

los93sol: an Orbiter can have children. However, the media plugin will have to be modified to handle dealing with Orbiter itself. The trick is to modify the code for media plugin to route messages to any media player devices etc running on the orbiter.

You have a possible out here in that you can have multiple entertainment areas in a given room, and therefore can specify to route to them. You will need to shoehorn a launching mechanism onto the Orbiter to launch Xine Player, SimplePhone, etc. and make modifications to the Telecom Plugin, Media Plugin, etc. to know to route messages to them. This is the trick of it all, understanding that LinuxMCE is all about routing messages where they need to go.

It's more than possible, but you will need to do some serious exploring to pull it off, and you'll need to do some UI thinking in Designer to figure out how to present the more complex issues, such as answering phone calls on the orbiter, versus answering them in the room, etc. (Taking the selected room/EA into account provides a way to determine this.)

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: los93sol on July 15, 2009, 03:16:16 pm
I wonder if this is something people would want to donate for, how many hours would you rate the job?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on July 15, 2009, 03:42:29 pm
since this is new territory, and a lot of subsystems involved, it's at least 100 hours of work.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Domodude on August 08, 2009, 10:56:15 pm
Hi Thom (and tkmedia?),

I kept having network problems, so I thought I'd re-install the webdt. So far though, it looks like I have bricked it  >:(

Hopefully I just did something wrong. Here's what I have done so far:

I used the gamma image, checked the CRC, dd'ed it on the USB.
The USB boots, and wipes the Webdt. The second part of the install starts, then ends in a penguin-picture that lasts forever. Keyboard is locked at that time. I made a picture of the last text message before the splash screen, it says:
11.615130     i8042.c: Can't read CTR while initializing i8042.

Any idea what might be going on here?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on August 08, 2009, 11:14:02 pm
that message is normal, there is no 8042 AT keyboard controller on that unit.

You need to connect a keyboard, and when you see the splash a second time, hit ctrl-alt-T to access a terminal.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Domodude on August 11, 2009, 12:03:10 am
that message is normal, there is no 8042 AT keyboard controller on that unit.

You need to connect a keyboard, and when you see the splash a second time, hit ctrl-alt-T to access a terminal.

-Thom

The webdt stops responding immediately after the first splash, with the progress bar at 0%. ctrl-alt-t does not work -- I never get to ratpoison. :-(
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on August 11, 2009, 12:04:48 am
then you have a hardware failure.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Domodude on August 11, 2009, 12:10:01 am
then you have a hardware failure.

 >:(   Any hint as to where this problem might be? Could it be network card at this stage? I started this whole reinstall due to network problems in the first place...
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on August 11, 2009, 12:55:26 am
do not know. try attaching the keyboard at first, and continually pressing esc while booting to see if you can get a prompt, where you can remove the splash options from boot, as well as quiet, so you can see what kernel error may be causing the problem.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Domodude on August 13, 2009, 12:42:47 pm
try attaching the keyboard at first, and continually pressing esc while booting to see if you can get a prompt, where you can remove the splash options from boot, as well as quiet, so you can see what kernel error may be causing the problem.
That got me a nice idea of what is going on: there is a "harddisk" problem, I get the suggestion to run e2fsk! Now doesn't the install write an image on the flash memory? How is this possible?
I did do an md5sum on the download which was correct. I guess there could be an error in the image transfer to the usb stick (using dd), but the first phase of install had no problems. I could perhaps try an e2fsck on the flash disk. Is there any way to do that, at this stage of the install?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: tschak909 on August 13, 2009, 12:52:31 pm
in theory, yeah. but I can't tell you off the top of my head what that would be, i've just gotten off the tail end of a 20 hour hacking session to add user feedback to the launch manager, and I need some sleep.

-Thom
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Domodude on August 22, 2009, 08:10:42 pm
in theory, yeah. but I can't tell you off the top of my head what that would be, i've just gotten off the tail end of a 20 hour hacking session to add user feedback to the launch manager, and I need some sleep.

-Thom

I got a kernel panic, when mounting the device read-only and when mounting it rw, so not possibility here. I will try the single user mode but I'm not holding my breath... If your brain has cleared up a bit when you read this, I'd appreciate any pointers of course!  ;)
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: Domodude on September 06, 2009, 10:13:51 pm
in theory, yeah. but I can't tell you off the top of my head what that would be, i've just gotten off the tail end of a 20 hour hacking session to add user feedback to the launch manager, and I need some sleep.

-Thom

I got a kernel panic, when mounting the device read-only and when mounting it rw, so not possibility here. I will try the single user mode but I'm not holding my breath... If your brain has cleared up a bit when you read this, I'd appreciate any pointers of course!  ;)

This did not really get me anywhere, but I did a re-write of the USB stick. The install froze a bit later, so there is progress. I am not sure now of the usb stick. Trying for a third time. Is there a way to make sure the usb stick contents are ok, for example with md5sum?
Title: Re: ANN: Orbiter image for WebDT 366
Post by: hari on July 06, 2010, 11:17:33 am
If you want to donate some money to TSCHAK either use the paypal button on the homepage (goes straight to TSCHAK's account) or buy the image from tkmedia. If not, here is the new gamma image download location: http://www.linuxmce.org/webpad/

br Hari