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Title: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: tschak909 on October 15, 2008, 03:51:24 pm
Okay guys, we gotta talk.

I'm starting to recieve these, so I thought i'd confront everyone.

First,

I work on this project in my volunteered spare time. I am not a paid employee of any organization who currently has commercial interests in the code. I code, and do support on this system because I love it with a passion that exceeds the understanding of most rational human beings.

I have very strong opinions. These are based both in fact and experience, and I do push them in order to show users the smoothest most featureful experience with this system. I have spent almost every waking moment when I am not at work, on this system, and I know what works, and what doesn't work.

I have a tendency at times to decide to completely scrap my diplomatic tone, and head straight for a painfully honest response. I know this offends some people. I'm sorry, but I am merely trying to help, believe it or not.

But what I DO NOT appreciate...are the emails I get from anonymous sources, from different people, with bodies containing lines ranging from "Drop dead, you arrogant bastard." to "I should kill you so that you never spawn."

Guys, If you're going to confront me. Do it to my face, so that at least I can defend myself. Don't be a coward and do it behind a lead wall.

I've spent way too much time on this project, at the expense of my health, to have this shit happen.

-Thom
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: jgaffney on October 15, 2008, 04:00:39 pm
tschak909,
Honestly,  I'm sorry you have to put up with that.  I wouldn't want my worst enemy to have to deal with that.

You're not even the worst one out here, which is my whole point about the tone of these forums.
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: totallymaxed on October 15, 2008, 04:21:41 pm
Okay guys, we gotta talk.

I'm starting to recieve these, so I thought i'd confront everyone.

First,

I work on this project in my volunteered spare time. I am not a paid employee of any organization who currently has commercial interests in the code. I code, and do support on this system because I love it with a passion that exceeds the understanding of most rational human beings.

I have very strong opinions. These are based both in fact and experience, and I do push them in order to show users the smoothest most featureful experience with this system. I have spent almost every waking moment when I am not at work, on this system, and I know what works, and what doesn't work.

I have a tendency at times to decide to completely scrap my diplomatic tone, and head straight for a painfully honest response. I know this offends some people. I'm sorry, but I am merely trying to help, believe it or not.

But what I DO NOT appreciate...are the emails I get from anonymous sources, from different people, with bodies containing lines ranging from "Drop dead, you arrogant bastard." to "I should kill you so that you never spawn."

Guys, If you're going to confront me. Do it to my face, so that at least I can defend myself. Don't be a coward and do it behind a lead wall.

I've spent way too much time on this project, at the expense of my health, to have this shit happen.

-Thom


Thom,

Emails of this kind are simply unacceptable and every forum member should stand up and be counted on this issue - a message of this kind is an afront to all of us here and we all need to state categorically that this is the case.

Anyone who participates in this Forum and acts inappropriately by sending this kind of offensive material to others should realise that it is as if that material was sent to us all.

Andrew
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: itspac on October 15, 2008, 04:34:23 pm
seriously, If you have to send death threats and off the wall emails, go find yourself another piece of software.

Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: golgoj4 on October 15, 2008, 04:47:22 pm
This is wrong on every level. I hope the people who feel this crap is 'ok' re-evaluate their actions. Its totally uncalled for.
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: freymann on October 15, 2008, 05:47:16 pm
I agree that these death threats are highly unwarranted! This behaviour is definitely unacceptable.

Life is full of choices. If you don't like LMCE that's fine, go use some other solution and all the more power to you. There's no need to threaten anybody involved with the project or involved in the forums.

These death threats are most likely a result of the recent tone of some posts in the forums, and if anything, I hope that makes all the members of our community sit back and rethink how they act here. It's terribly easy to offend using the written word. Many times it's better to say nothing or if responding to somebody's message makes you feel mad, then perhaps you should sit back and see if somebody else will respond.

The forums should be a friendly place, let's all try to ensure they are, and definitely the last thing any of the developers need is to be treated with such a high level of disregard as to receive death threats! That is definitely the lowest of low.

Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: skeptic on October 15, 2008, 06:27:08 pm
I have very strong opinions. These are based both in fact and experience, and I do push them in order to show users the smoothest most featureful experience with this system.

I have a tendency at times to decide to completely scrap my diplomatic tone, and head straight for a painfully honest response. I know this offends some people. I'm sorry, but I am merely trying to help, believe it or not.

You and I have butted heads over your "this is the way it has to be done to be right" attidude vs. my "it's not the LMCE designed way, but if you know the limitations my way works"  attitude.  In the end I have nothing but respect for you and what you have put into this project.  I have some pretty thick skin and don't let e-arguments bother me but put enough people behind a computer screen and you're going to run into whiney cowards.  It's complete BS that you have to put up with that crap, especially after all the work and time you put into this project. 

IMHO, nobody on this board should have to put up with e-mails like you are getting.  Unfortunately the sad fact is threads like "Other media centers" that degenerate to insults and name calling on all sides are going to bring out the anonymous e-tough-guys.
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: sp00nhead on October 15, 2008, 06:39:47 pm
man, that's uncool. really uncool.
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: bblboy54 on October 15, 2008, 06:51:39 pm
I have very strong opinions. These are based both in fact and experience, and I do push them in order to show users the smoothest most featureful experience with this system.

I have a tendency at times to decide to completely scrap my diplomatic tone, and head straight for a painfully honest response. I know this offends some people. I'm sorry, but I am merely trying to help, believe it or not.

You and I have butted heads over your "this is the way it has to be done to be right" attidude vs. my "it's not the LMCE designed way, but if you know the limitations my way works"  attitude.  In the end I have nothing but respect for you and what you have put into this project.  I have some pretty thick skin and don't let e-arguments bother me but put enough people behind a computer screen and you're going to run into whiney cowards.  It's complete BS that you have to put up with that crap, especially after all the work and time you put into this project. 

IMHO, nobody on this board should have to put up with e-mails like you are getting.  Unfortunately the sad fact is threads like "Other media centers" that degenerate to insults and name calling on all sides are going to bring out the anonymous e-tough-guys.

I have to totally agree with this....  I got off on the wrong foot here but I guess there always is someone more pathetic to find than who you actually think is pathetic.  It's one thing to attack someone on the job their doing and a totally different thing to threaten someone's life or them personally. 

Thom... you do do good work and I honestly do respect that.
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: maybeoneday on October 15, 2008, 08:01:04 pm

[/quote]

Thom,

Emails of this kind are simply unacceptable and every forum member should stand up and be counted on this issue - a message of this kind is an afront to all of us here and we all need to state categorically that this is the case.

Anyone who participates in this Forum and acts inappropriately by sending this kind of offensive material to others should realise that it is as if that material was sent to us all.

Andrew
[/quote]

Totally agree,

regards,
Ian
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: MarcoZan on October 15, 2008, 09:41:39 pm
When I read the topic subject I was thinking of another "colorful" way of Thom to describe some strange coding attitude ... unfortunately the story is different.

As we use to say, mothers of the idiots are always pregnant ...

Thom, for sure you're definitely not the most diplomatic guy I ever met (even if sometimes taking it a little easy wouldn't be so bad), but I prefer BY FAR a slap in the face than a stab in my back.

So keep doing it your way.

Full speed ahead
Marco



Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: johanr on October 15, 2008, 10:19:56 pm
It really hurts to hear that someone just can't try to understand the amount of time that is put into this. I have read posts and responses that yes they may have been abit to abrubt or to direct (the questions has not been very elegantly put either....)

 But that's only natural since all that energy that is put into this and all the thinking behind it makes this Project (ok if I call it that?) comes very close to your hearts.
Then hearing whining about "why is this not like that" all the time, when you're tired since you haven't slept full nights just to get That thing working to the next release..
 That can make even the Hardcore diplomat skip the BS and go right to the case.

How hard can that be to understand? and we don't even pay anything for you guys to do the work you do so why even bother sending such emails. Yes you as a sender may have become offended in some way but we all cannot share the same view on things, it's what we do about the difference of perception that really counts. That's what keep a project like this evolving, if you think something is crap, well do it better yourself! simple as is..

 This is serious and I hope you report it. Thank you for sharing!

 I think we all have an obligation to interrupt if we see things go wrong and to personal in threads. It should not come to this...

-johan
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: tschak909 on October 15, 2008, 10:36:40 pm
Honestly, I wanted the rest of you guys to know. Other than that, I'm not really doing anything.

The thing that got me the most was this last guy was sending a post from an email service that I couldn't reply back to! The mail bounced. How cowardly!

The first thing that went through my mind was really, "What did we do to deserve this?"

-Thom
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: johanr on October 15, 2008, 10:53:28 pm
Honestly, I wanted the rest of you guys to know. Other than that, I'm not really doing anything.
Ok, that's up to you and probarbly for the best. but still..

The first thing that went through my mind was really, "What did we do to deserve this?"

well to answer your question.
1. You should never have spread the improvements and knowledge of yours..
2. You should never even have registred on this forum.. then use your freetime to help. How rudly.
3. You should have started a company, selling the above mentioned instead.

(to those of you not understanding the above, that was intended as a joke to lighten up the thread abit)
sorry for the OT
-johan
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: colinjones on October 15, 2008, 11:22:49 pm
Totally unacceptable, Thom! Yes, things can get heated at time. Even insulting, but this person should grow up and realise that it is a disagreement nothing more. And certainly not deserving of what is in all probability an illegal email. Can I suggest that you take a look at the SMTP headers and determine the sending mail gateway. From the DNS or IP we can track it back to a service provider and report it to their abuse mailbox. They can track down the account very easily from the MTS-ID...

Col
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: enrique.lopez on October 16, 2008, 12:03:27 am
it is possible that the mails are sent by someone you want to stop developing the project?
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: justdeb on October 16, 2008, 01:49:09 am
Hi Thom,

I am sorry to hear that some people have nothing better to do than send crap like that to you.

It is a sad thing when individuals have to resort to this - because of a comment that you may or may not have said upset them.

I myself like others here value your contributions and would be sad to see you leave.

Regards

Justin
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: rodercot on October 16, 2008, 04:29:46 am
 Thom,

 I have to agree with every post in this thread, I think what you all do as developers to this project and the amount of time is only summed in one word "PASSION" and to truly believe in something that strongly sways responses to posts etc.. I am the same away about my hobbies. I am so sorry you have to deal with anything at all like this and it is completely uncalled for..

 If it were me, I certainly would be passing those e-mails on to the proper authorities and let them do their jobs and find the spineless pest on the other end of those ILLEGAL threats face to face or behind a screen, threats are threats, and the only thing in-light here with the e-mails. There is some instance of electronic proof.

 Sincerely,

 Dave
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: tschak909 on October 16, 2008, 04:34:23 am
like i said.. i'm just gonna let it go. said person probably doesn't have the balls to carry it out.

-Thom
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: HorstJ on October 16, 2008, 08:34:43 am
To read about this behavior makes me sadden and angry.

It's true that I heard/read your "magic words" before, but THAT is absolutely no way to treat somebody ( especially no dev  ;) ).

Please, keep up your excellent work and I think all of us - 1 would be very sad ( and even more helpless  ;) ) if your leave this project in any way!
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: pcbastard on October 16, 2008, 08:00:25 pm
Thom,

I know you don't want this thread to continue on forever, but I think I need to say something.

I think what you are seeing is an immature person responding to your "negative" encouragements.  I, for one, was bothered by your use of 4 letter words when some new person made a post that irritated you and you ate them for lunch.  You have a very articulate way of being nasty to others that offend you (or doesn't seem to get it).  No one deserves to get threats from mental midgets, but you do piss people off.  Just tone it down a bit and the idiots will disappear. 

I think you are a kick ass person and would seriously miss your contributions to this project.  I have also gotten over your rants.  That is just you.  People need to accept others as they are.

Keep up the great and interesting work.  I look forward to more of your youtube video's and friendly face.

Leo

 
Title: Re: Death threats directed at me.
Post by: uplink on October 17, 2008, 11:41:54 pm
There's one thing you can do with death threads: go to the police. It's good for them to have stuff on record. Even if they don't and/or can't do anything about it before you're dead (God forbid).

On the other hand, those people that hide behind a monitor and thing they're cool by picking up on people, they only care about titles. If you strip any chance for them to be called "cool" because of their actions, they'll... probably not stop, but instead go onto highschool shootings and then kill themselves, thinking that they're fighting for their precious _title_. Not that it means anything to the rest of the world, but it means a lot to them, and they think that taking their title away is like taking their lives, jobs, home, etc. away from them.

Only if stupidity hurt... but it doesn't. Actually, those are the people that suffer the least.