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Title: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: jeangot on September 06, 2008, 08:24:29 am
Hello,

I have an outdoor lights setup as X10 light, and I noticed that it seems to be automagically turning on at sunset and off at sunrise. I did not however ask for this, and did not find any relevant options under the light's configuration or under timed events.
In case it matter, this light is linked to a camera (and will properly turn on or off when that camera is viewed).

Does anyone know where I can enable/disable such behavior, as I can't have all my outdoor lights on all night, or is it just a matter of not setting up that "room" as an outdoor area perhaps?

Thanks,

Jean
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: totallymaxed on September 06, 2008, 10:37:19 am
Hello,

I have an outdoor lights setup as X10 light, and I noticed that it seems to be automagically turning on at sunset and off at sunrise. I did not however ask for this, and did not find any relevant options under the light's configuration or under timed events.
In case it matter, this light is linked to a camera (and will properly turn on or off when that camera is viewed).

Does anyone know where I can enable/disable such behavior, as I can't have all my outdoor lights on all night, or is it just a matter of not setting up that "room" as an outdoor area perhaps?

Thanks,

Jean

Hmmm... good question!

I would imagine that choosing "Outdoor Area" when creating that "Room" will have created a scenario that is causing the lights added to that room to behave as they are... all the Room types have scenarios that get automatically created when you choose them.

I would suggest looking at the scenarios for that room as a first line of attack.

All th best

Andrew
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: golgoj4 on September 06, 2008, 05:49:01 pm
To change this

-log into the webadmin
-choose timed events from the left panel
-On the timed events page, there should be an option to for 'advanced', click it
-the next page presented will have the timed events
-look for sunset and sunrise
-click 'edit' in the 'commands' to set what you want it to do.


hth

-golgoj4
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: jeangot on September 06, 2008, 06:38:42 pm
Thanks both for your reply. It was indeed under Timed Events / Advanced, then click on Sunrise/Edit Commands.

Jean
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: posde on September 06, 2008, 07:17:09 pm
golgoj4,

are you able to program a buffer in there, i.e. turn off at sunset + 3hours?

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: golgoj4 on September 06, 2008, 07:22:48 pm
I have not tried this actually, but my initial guess would be no. The reason I say this is that when trying to use 'states' it causes my router to reload...i havent played with these in a while but i can take another look.

So currently, in my experience its a set time, not one that adjusts.
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: posde on September 06, 2008, 07:26:27 pm
Thanks to Zaerc (who knows each and every post in the forum it seems), there is solution for my quest http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6023.msg36465#msg36465 (http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=6023.msg36465#msg36465)

Thank you Mr Zaerc
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: jeangot on September 11, 2008, 06:19:04 am
After deleting the timed events and reloading, my lights were still turning on at night the next day. So I went back to timed events, and to my surprise, the timed events turning on the lights were back. When I delete them and do a reload router, they are back.
Am I doing something wrong? How can I turn this off permanently? If LMCE is recreating these on each reload, shouldn't there be a way to make this configurable in the light's configuration (whether you want these events to be automatically created or not).
Is it just a matter of telling LMCE that this in an inside area versus outside?

Jean
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: tschak909 on September 11, 2008, 06:22:18 am
UpdateEntArea creates these events automatically, and yes, it is as simple as defining it as an inside versus outside area.

-Thom
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: bulek on September 13, 2008, 09:34:47 pm
Hi,

there is simple trick - don't assign lights to that room. I discovered that acccidentaly... Now I only assign lights to rooms if I want them to be the case for autogenerated scenarios....

I'm not aware of any downside of lights not being assigned...

HTH,

regards,

Bulek.


Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: golgoj4 on September 13, 2008, 10:34:18 pm
Or, just edit the scenario to do nothing.
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: tschak909 on September 13, 2008, 11:04:09 pm
can someone tell me PLEASE? what is SO WRONG with the system taking care of this by itself?

are you people THAT much of control freaks?

-Thom
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: freymann on September 14, 2008, 04:35:29 pm
can someone tell me PLEASE? what is SO WRONG with the system taking care of this by itself?

are you people THAT much of control freaks?

 I don't think it has anything to do being a control freak, but rather personal preference.

 What the automatic scenarios do is great.... for *some* people.

 What I would like is... if we edit a scenario the changes we make should stick and not be reset with a router reload. To me that makes LMCE seem like a control freak.  ;D
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: totallymaxed on September 14, 2008, 05:08:58 pm
can someone tell me PLEASE? what is SO WRONG with the system taking care of this by itself?

are you people THAT much of control freaks?

 I don't think it has anything to do being a control freak, but rather personal preference.

 What the automatic scenarios do is great.... for *some* people.

 What I would like is... if we edit a scenario the changes we make should stick and not be reset with a router reload. To me that makes LMCE seem like a control freak.  ;D

I tend to agree... being able to 'save-as' a modified scenario would make a lot of sense.

Andrew
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: mikeybs on August 24, 2014, 02:18:07 am
I am running 12.04, and the lights I have assigned to Outdoor rooms are automatically turning on/off at sunset/sunrise just as this post indicates.

Is the only solution still to remove any lights I don't want this behavior for from Outside rooms?

I don't even see an advanced section in my timed events.

Advanced->Configuration->Events seems to take me to an Advanced Events section but I do not see any existing events in there...

Has the ability to even see these automatically generated scenarios been removed?
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: posde on August 24, 2014, 10:35:06 am
If you do not want automatic behaviour generated for a specific room, mark the room as "Manually Configured" in web admin. This will stop UpdateEntArea to create default scenarios for that room.
Title: Re: Outdoor lights turning on at sunset, off at sunrise by themselves!!
Post by: totallymaxed on August 24, 2014, 03:31:34 pm
I am running 12.04, and the lights I have assigned to Outdoor rooms are automatically turning on/off at sunset/sunrise just as this post indicates.

Is the only solution still to remove any lights I don't want this behavior for from Outside rooms?

I don't even see an advanced section in my timed events.

Advanced->Configuration->Events seems to take me to an Advanced Events section but I do not see any existing events in there...

Has the ability to even see these automatically generated scenarios been removed?

What if suggest is to create a room called 'Garden' (or whatever you choose) using a room type other than 'outside area'. Now your outside lights will not get the dawn/dusk auto generated scenario. You could add you own manually created dawn/dusk scenario there though that works as you would like.

All the best

Andy