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Title: Linux destroyer
Post by: sambadagio on February 10, 2008, 06:53:40 pm
What a dumb did this install routine with just asking which harddrive and then starts the installation without any double check or whatever... Do you know the brand new technology called partitions? Hey, why do ask anyway? It would have been much easier to insert the DVD and install the data on the biggest harddrive, wouldn't it? Or even better, just take all harddrives just in case one crashes...

Hey, I do already regret it to even think of changing or trying once the linux version... One more good reason to buy Vista!!!

So, and now whish me luck to restore all my data which I just lost because yeah, linux is soooo easy to install... wtf...

Cheers
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: tschak909 on February 10, 2008, 06:58:14 pm
There are two installers.. One for the DVD (which acts as an OEM install disk), and one for the CD.

If you had _READ THE INSTRUCTIONS_, you would have seen, that the DVD wipes the entire disk.

Sorry, about your troubles, but maybe this will be a life lesson to actually pay attention.

-Thom
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: totallymaxed on February 10, 2008, 07:08:56 pm
What a dumb did this install routine with just asking which harddrive and then starts the installation without any double check or whatever... Do you know the brand new technology called partitions? Hey, why do ask anyway? It would have been much easier to insert the DVD and install the data on the biggest harddrive, wouldn't it? Or even better, just take all harddrives just in case one crashes...

Hey, I do already regret it to even think of changing or trying once the linux version... One more good reason to buy Vista!!!

So, and now whish me luck to restore all my data which I just lost because yeah, linux is soooo easy to install... wtf...

Cheers

Hmmm... you need to read the instructions on the wiki...
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: sambadagio on February 10, 2008, 07:10:58 pm
I disagree, there is no read me file on the DVD and yes, on the overloaded homepage I did find an install instruction link, but who is going to read it, if it should be so easy? Sorry mate, but every intelligent developer asks before it deletes the entire harddrive with all partitions on it. And if this 3 seconds check is too much for the developer, what about just say after listening all harddrives = Warning, your choice will wipe your HD, partitions, data everything without asking again?

Sorry but this is highly unprofessional...
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: tschak909 on February 10, 2008, 07:13:41 pm
We are adding the warning on the next release of the software. But even before then, before I was a developer, I found the mention of THIS WILL WIPE ALL DATA ON YOUR DISK from the Download Instructions....

I'm sorry, but you currently sound like a child who has skinned his knees. I have no sympathy for people who just blindly jump into something without regard of consequences AND THEN YELLING AND SCREAMING ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC.

Take this as a life lesson.

-Thom
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: sambadagio on February 10, 2008, 07:23:42 pm
Yes, I will take it as a lesson and yes I am yelling because I am pissed... ;-)

And it seems like also stupid, because I go to:
http://www.linuxmce.org/
click on "Download instructions"
click on "Mirrors 0710 beta 3"
And then I did choose the DVD version, looked to me like the best choice...

So, no text about deleting the HD... But doesn't matter, I am already very happy, that you will add it to the next release. You will help saving some time to other users like me :-)
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: hari on February 10, 2008, 07:38:18 pm
Hey, I do already regret it to even think of changing or trying once the linux version... One more good reason to buy Vista!!!

So, and now whish me luck to restore all my data which I just lost because yeah, linux is soooo easy to install... wtf...
I'm sorry for your mistake, but when talking about those genuine Microsoft Vista(TM) features, I assume you used them to make some kind of backup? Simply restore that and use the CD installer.

Don't people backup their data nowadays?

best regards,
Hari
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: totallymaxed on February 10, 2008, 08:47:34 pm
I disagree, there is no read me file on the DVD and yes, on the overloaded homepage I did find an install instruction link, but who is going to read it, if it should be so easy? Sorry mate, but every intelligent developer asks before it deletes the entire harddrive with all partitions on it. And if this 3 seconds check is too much for the developer, what about just say after listening all harddrives = Warning, your choice will wipe your HD, partitions, data everything without asking again?

Sorry but this is highly unprofessional...

Hmmm... guess you are equally intelligent... and therefore would not blindly go ahead and install from a downloaded DVD without FIRST backing up your ever so valuable data...
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: geoffrey on February 10, 2008, 08:55:16 pm
well that's a disappointment...based on the topic I was hoping that this would be about a cool new open-source warship...  :D
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: sk1 on February 10, 2008, 09:18:03 pm
So I've been reading this forum for awhile and prodding along through the wiki before I dive into this project and every couple days some idiot gets on this board and complains that he just wiped his drive and lost all his data cuz he was too stupid to take 10 seconds to research what he was doing first.  Notwithstanding that he should have had backups, but the nerve of someone to complain on a message board about their own stupid mistake just floors me.

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Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: hari on February 10, 2008, 10:11:43 pm
So I've been reading this forum for awhile and prodding along through the wiki before I dive into this project and every couple days some idiot gets on this board and complains that he just wiped his drive and lost all his data cuz he was too stupid to take 10 seconds to research what he was doing first.  Notwithstanding that he should have had backups, but the nerve of someone to complain on a message board about their own stupid mistake just floors me.

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maybe we should force the users to type
Quote
Yes, I really know what I am doing and I _really_ have read the mAnUaL
with valid case to start the installation.

I've put additional warnings to the Wiki pages.

best regards, Hari
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: blackoper on February 11, 2008, 12:21:07 am
we could just put in a checkbox saying "have you read the wiki?" yes or no ... and then when they come on here moaning about their drives being gone we can make fun of them
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: skeptic on February 11, 2008, 12:29:54 am
I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but I have never installed linuxMCE and while I agree that an install that wipes your entire drive should come with a big on-screen warning I do know the DVD version does exactly that, wipes your drive clean.  I *think* it mentions that in the demo video, I've read it in the forums, and I may have even seen it in the wiki.  It's actually an intended feature designed to make it easy to install.  While the last version of windows I actually installed was probably either Windows ME (what a flop) or Windows 2000, I suspect that if you use a recovery CD/DVD it will do the same thing to a linux partition, wipe it clean with little or no warning. 
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: dahlheim on February 11, 2008, 12:32:30 am
i personally find annoying all the hand-holding warnings that current programs mandate clicking through.  the original poster will likely never get linuxmce working well for him, particularly if he thinks it's "so easy".
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: golgoj4 on February 11, 2008, 02:09:33 am
I disagree, there is no read me file on the DVD and yes, on the overloaded homepage I did find an install instruction link, but who is going to read it, if it should be so easy? Sorry mate, but every intelligent developer asks before it deletes the entire harddrive with all partitions on it. And if this 3 seconds check is too much for the developer, what about just say after listening all harddrives = Warning, your choice will wipe your HD, partitions, data everything without asking again?

Sorry but this is highly unprofessional...

i know my response is a bit childish but...

maybe you should move back to vhs, pens, papers and filing cabinets. Obviously things like computers are beyond your comprehension. Why this thread isnt trashed (meaning deleted) by a mod is beyond me.

seriously. this is obviously a result of your lack of paying any attention. your comment 'on the overloaded homepage I did find an install instruction link, but who is going to read it, if it should be so easy?' says everything any reasonable person who need to hear to figure out you are a bit thick headed.

In the future, read the manual.
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: golgoj4 on February 11, 2008, 02:10:40 am
well that's a disappointment...based on the topic I was hoping that this would be about a cool new open-source warship...  :D

rofl  ;D
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: jayzee on February 11, 2008, 01:44:57 pm
 :D   :D   open source warship
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: fibres on February 11, 2008, 03:48:58 pm
How that would be a cool app to write.

We could then all have an open source war ;)
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: sk1 on February 11, 2008, 05:36:23 pm
I always keep Linux destroyers in my fleet, even after I get Linux battleships.  Their attack and bombard stats aren't as high as the Linux battleships, but they are useful for spotting the enemy Windows submarines.

The best is when you first get Linux destroyers and you can go around taunting all the Windows ironclads and fishing boats, not to mention whooping up on the Windows caravels.

 
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: golgoj4 on February 11, 2008, 08:49:12 pm
I always keep Linux destroyers in my fleet, even after I get Linux battleships.  Their attack and bombard stats aren't as high as the Linux battleships, but they are useful for spotting the enemy Windows submarines.

The best is when you first get Linux destroyers and you can go around taunting all the Windows ironclads and fishing boats, not to mention whooping up on the Windows caravels.

 

the funny part is that sadly...there is windows on submarines. Thank god its not for anything critical (since I was there) but it was still scary as a submariner to see the windows logo...you kinda want absolute faith in your boat!
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: Hagen on February 12, 2008, 10:00:20 am
Why this thread isnt trashed (meaning deleted) by a mod is beyond me.
All threads like this is kept as a warning, just like car wrecks are left in the ditch for some time (some places), or tar-filled lungs are shown in 'stop smoking' campaigns...
In the hopes that some actually do read before they wipe their computer.

Heck, I knew Ubuntu would probably cope with a dual boot install by itself, but I still backed up everything and made sure I had the understanding I needed to before going into my first install. (wich worked flawlessly).
LMCE is an operating system... you don't install an operating system without backing up what you are afraid to lose.

And if you have ever had to reinstall windows you would know this...
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: Hagen on February 12, 2008, 10:10:04 am
People are getting used to this kind of handholding
http://www.stage6.com/Mac-Vs-Pc/video/2083345/Security

This might also be 'interesting'
http://www.stage6.com/Lab-Rats-TV/video/1255449/Episode-73:-Backup-101
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: danielmayer on February 12, 2008, 10:19:06 am
Now... I try LMCE since some versions and I wouldn't have known that it uses the whole disk (DVD-Ed.)... I'm quite lucky that I read this thread before I tried to install it this evening... :/
By default, I agree with the opinion that it's kind of stupid *not* to ask for the partition. I e.g. use a high-speed SCSI-disk for system partitions (windoof, linux) and SATA-disks for data. I would be really angry if the whole SCSI-disk would have been wiped...

I'll use the CD-edition and take the unnecessary extra time for the double-install... But I petition for a useful installer on the DVD, too.

Greetings
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: Venom986 on February 12, 2008, 11:43:27 am
The CD installer already gives you that functionality.  The DVD edition is there for a different purpose/set of requirements.  Stop trying to stick a square peg in the round hole and rtfm.
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: golgoj4 on February 12, 2008, 06:24:50 pm
I really cant understand why people have so many problems. As Hagen said, its folley not to back your data up, or in my case, start with a completely new (or old but wiped) drive.

Now you want to talk about sketchy, The Netgear SC101 reformats the HD when you add it to the enclosure...and DOESN'T TELL YOU. I lost about 200 gigs of data that according to the manual which I DID READ states nothing about wiping existing data. I had to go to their website under support and THATS where it tells you. But I wasnt installing an OS, it was supposed to be an external drive...

That being said, I suppose it would be good for someone when they have the time (i can think of many  things more important than this IMO) it should be done.

And Hagen I see your point about keeping the thread as a big warning to people who install stuff without paying much attention.

Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: rrambo on February 12, 2008, 07:13:17 pm
Here's the thing...  The DVD install is not a typical OS install..  that is not what is was made for...  If you're going to go through the process of downloading media, burning it, and doing an install, have enough sense to read the instructions..  if you don't, and you lose your precious data, don't come whining here because you were too lazy to take another few minutes to read some simple instructions..  I don't have any sympathy for the whiners and even if a message has been added for the new 7.10 when it is released, there will still be someone who won't read the instructions and will go ahead and choose Yes to install and wipe their drive and then they'll post on this forum that they lost their data due to someone's poor design...

quityerbitchin
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: Nephus on February 12, 2008, 07:46:13 pm
Actually, as a strange aside, I've found that MCE has been a Linux Repairer for me.  I have Kubuntu and WinMCE dual booting off a 180 gig SATA drive, and I picked up a 750 gig IDE drive on clearance to be my media storage.  After 3 attempts at reinstalling, because I couldn't get grub to work properly, I removed the big drive and it worked flawlessly... except that it refused to let me read anything off it once I put it back in.  I left it as ntfs so I could use it in both operating systems, and despite being able to read the other ntfs partition on the small drive, it absolutely refused to do anything with the big one.  I fought with that for quite a while before I gave up and went ahead and installed MCE.  During the setup process it detected the drive and set it up with full read/write access automatically!  I'm a complete Linux newbie, so there's no telling  how long that would've taken me to sort out.

So, there's the newbie perspective from the opposite side, just to balance things a bit.

edit: well crap, now it can't read either ntfs partition.  The joys of using beta software  ;D
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: boyofford on February 12, 2008, 10:56:06 pm
should of done bit more research on installing LinuxMCE (thats what I'm doing at the moment lol),
I've found many posts/referances to the fact that the DVD is only used as a clean install method,..
and might of been better to try a more popular/common Linux version (I started with Ubuntu just over a month ago) to start with, at least till basic confidence in differences with windows is gained.

Just thought I'd post this in case this post puts people off Linux as this is a special case (from what i gather) of a new (ish) software.

Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: orionsune on February 15, 2008, 01:47:46 am
as if it matters, since everyone else has scaled you samb..whatever..

but you whine and complain about the authors of linuxmce not being good developers or professional.... you are a hipacrit... you know what? simple...

you didn't install linuxmce in a test environment first, which everyone in the development community knows is "best practice".  even I myself, my first time, used an old ass pc i had lying around before installing it on my main pc, and i'm an amateur... what an idiot...

besides... everytime i've installed any kind of operating system, i've played with the jasOS (macos X for intel/amd), all sorts of flavors of linux, and of course windows xp, and windows vista....

each time I proceed with the installation, i stop and ask myself "how is this going to partition my drive... is it going to make assumptions, or will it ask me... hmm maybe i should read the instructions first, maybe do a few searches in the forums... yeah i'll do my research first"

Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: teedge77 on February 15, 2008, 05:05:43 am
as if it matters, since everyone else has scaled you samb..whatever..

but you whine and complain about the authors of linuxmce not being good developers or professional.... you are a hipacrit... you know what? simple...

you didn't install linuxmce in a test environment first, which everyone in the development community knows is "best practice".  even I myself, my first time, used an old ass pc i had lying around before installing it on my main pc, and i'm an amateur... what an idiot...

besides... everytime i've installed any kind of operating system, i've played with the jasOS (macos X for intel/amd), all sorts of flavors of linux, and of course windows xp, and windows vista....

each time I proceed with the installation, i stop and ask myself "how is this going to partition my drive... is it going to make assumptions, or will it ask me... hmm maybe i should read the instructions first, maybe do a few searches in the forums... yeah i'll do my research first"




in the same post you used the word idiot and "hipacrit". strangely enough....you werent referring to yourself as the idiot.  ::)
youre not an amateur guy...just a terrible speller. a true amateur would have no idea about anything you just said. to quote mr. cherryhomes.

nuff said.
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: orionsune on February 20, 2008, 11:51:31 pm
um...

everyone's a critic
Title: Re: Linux destroyer
Post by: Blackhat on February 22, 2008, 07:28:47 am
I would think someone who honestly believes they can get a system working that networks all of the technology in their house, would be knowledgeable enough to know how to install a OS.  And if they didn't know exactly what was going to happen when they went to install it, research it a little first.

Also, considering the price difference between Vista and LinuxMCE, I don't think it's even remotely intelligent to assume that the developers need to worry about holding our hands through any of this.  I would say be grateful there are people charitable enough to create something like this, allow us to use it and offer any help what-so-ever.  Instead of complaining because you lacked the patience to read what they took the time to write.

Personally, I have nothing but a huge thank you for the developers.