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General => Users => Topic started by: jyoung58 on January 09, 2008, 01:30:58 am
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I see in the wiki that Lmce supports Ademco panels. I dont find much info on it? Which panels actually work? and what is need to get them connected to Lmce? Any help would be great. thanks in advance
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You should only need a serial cable. it should be on the plug and play list. But a check with the Pluto guys could get us a more complete answer. I'll rattle a cage and try to get an answer in a few days.
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Thanks for the quick response. I work for a alarm company so i can do some testing if needed. The only serial interface i see online is a Ademco 4100sm. Anyone had any luck every getting a panel online?
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I was getting ready to purchase an alarm panel and was wondering exactly what models are fully plug-n-play as well. I really like the Caddx NX-8E but the wiki entry is incomplete.. just wondering if it is fully supported.
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why do you want an alarm panel anyway?
-Thom
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id hazard a guess he wants it for an alarm.....but...just a guess....were you trying to say theres a better way?
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well...yeah... the linuxmce core.. + an orbiter IS essentially the alarm panel... just connect the needed pieces via GC100 or ZWave, or X10, or INSTEON, or 1-wire, or whatever.. it doesn't matter.
-Thom
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what if you have wired sensors already installed throughout the house? wouldnt an alarm panel be one of the needed pieces connected to the gc100?
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Thanks for the quick response. I work for a alarm company so i can do some testing if needed. The only serial interface i see online is a Ademco 4100sm. Anyone had any luck every getting a panel online?
Does that mean that the Ademco 4100sm is the only model you know of that looks like it could directly interface to the LMCE? Any panels with ethernet, or some really cheap ones with serial? Are there any that can interface to Insteon, X10 (reliably) or any other HA interface?
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what if you have wired sensors already installed throughout the house? wouldnt an alarm panel be one of the needed pieces connected to the gc100?
depending on the sensors, you'd probably just use the relay pads...
-Thom
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ok. maybe you should write up a way to do it in the wiki, as an alternative to an alarm panel.
where the relay pads? on the gc100? how many are there? i looked and all i see are the contact closure sensors and those are 45 bucks a piece. plus the cost of the gc100.
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I mentioned the 4100sn because it is the only serial interface that i know about. Not sure if it even works. I currently have a vista 128 instaled and running with touchscreen keypads so i want to keep it up and running. Still no one knows how to inteface it with lmce? or any burg panel?
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why do you want an alarm panel anyway?
-Thom
Well of course your right... a core equipped with z-wave, Insteon etc and enough of the right kinds of sensors etc could be made to do most if not all of the things a dedicated alarm system would do. However there is some good logic in distributing 'mission critical' functionality like this to dedicated hardware... what happens when you take your Coree offline or it crashes etc? If you have a stand alone, but interfaced, alarm panel then your home is still protected in this mode. This is also true of z-wave/Insteon... if my Core fails in some way i still want to be able to walk to a wall switch and turn on a z-wave light.
So I think lightweight security can be achieved with multi-purposing say z-wave PIR's... sometimes they are used for security other times they are used to softly tunr on the lights when a small child gets out of bed in the middle of the night etc etc. But hardware alarm panels with interfaces that allow LinuxMCE to get 'state' information from the panel and also to change and set the panels modes is proably what is needed for a more complete security installation.
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why do you want an alarm panel anyway?
-Thom
Well of course your right... a core equipped with z-wave, Insteon etc and enough of the right kinds of sensors etc could be made to do most if not all of the things a dedicated alarm system would do. However there is some good logic in distributing 'mission critical' functionality like this to dedicated hardware... what happens when you take your Coree offline or it crashes etc? If you have a stand alone, but interfaced, alarm panel then your home is still protected in this mode. This is also true of z-wave/Insteon... if my Core fails in some way i still want to be able to walk to a wall switch and turn on a z-wave light.
So I think lightweight security can be achieved with multi-purposing say z-wave PIR's... sometimes they are used for security other times they are used to softly tunr on the lights when a small child gets out of bed in the middle of the night etc etc. But hardware alarm panels with interfaces that allow LinuxMCE to get 'state' information from the panel and also to change and set the panels modes is proably what is needed for a more complete security installation.
And this is also the critical consideration in whether a home can meet some security standards with a LMCE installation. Some housing developments (and commercial buildings) have specs that these dedicated panels are already certified to meet (or meet by matching specs). I wonder whether interfacing them through Asterisk, even if over POTS or TDM (and certainly questionably over SIP/IAX/VoIP) would meet those certification requirements.
But now that we have someone from the alarm industry to ask, I'm curious whether those are formal specs/certifications, or just the building developer's judgement? Who's liable when an alarm system fails because its specs were inadequate? Is there a way to get LMCE certified as a product, so architects/contractors/upgraders design it into a building as the alarm subsystem?
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why do you want an alarm panel anyway?
-Thom
Well of course your right... a core equipped with z-wave, Insteon etc and enough of the right kinds of sensors etc could be made to do most if not all of the things a dedicated alarm system would do. However there is some good logic in distributing 'mission critical' functionality like this to dedicated hardware... what happens when you take your Coree offline or it crashes etc? If you have a stand alone, but interfaced, alarm panel then your home is still protected in this mode. This is also true of z-wave/Insteon... if my Core fails in some way i still want to be able to walk to a wall switch and turn on a z-wave light.
So I think lightweight security can be achieved with multi-purposing say z-wave PIR's... sometimes they are used for security other times they are used to softly tunr on the lights when a small child gets out of bed in the middle of the night etc etc. But hardware alarm panels with interfaces that allow LinuxMCE to get 'state' information from the panel and also to change and set the panels modes is proably what is needed for a more complete security installation.
And this is also the critical consideration in whether a home can meet some security standards with a LMCE installation. Some housing developments (and commercial buildings) have specs that these dedicated panels are already certified to meet (or meet by matching specs). I wonder whether interfacing them through Asterisk, even if over POTS or TDM (and certainly questionably over SIP/IAX/VoIP) would meet those certification requirements.
But now that we have someone from the alarm industry to ask, I'm curious whether those are formal specs/certifications, or just the building developer's judgement? Who's liable when an alarm system fails because its specs were inadequate? Is there a way to get LMCE certified as a product, so architects/contractors/upgraders design it into a building as the alarm subsystem?
On that last point I dont think there is... because it isn't an 'alarm system'. We have spoken to many interested parties in the security & fire alarm industries and to get the ISO certifications for LMCE would be virtually impossible both from a hardware and software perspective. However as providing a connection from LMCE to the panel adds value and means that LMCE has a way to manage and control with debasing the systems certification Also LMCE can then be used in a purely passive mode that just monitors the state of the alarm system and its sensors or in a more interactive mode where LMCE can arm/disarm the system or any zones within it etc etc.
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First there are liability issues using LMCE as a primary security system, and it would be relatively easy to circumvent LMCE if it were your only security system. However interfacing it with a proper security system adds a lot to the value and capability of the system.
I was told back in the Pluto days that there were several panels that Pluto supported Plug and Play. The goal them was to connect the panel and LMCE would be able to read back from the panel the list of connected sensors. And talk to the keypads. With the sensors added to LMCE the lights and security cameras can then interact and the phone alerts on security breech would send details.
its possible that in the RS232 PNP scripts there are some clues to what panels are fully supported. And adding support should be pretty easy. I was also told that the security guys did not want to share the details of their RS232 protocols so it would not be that easy.
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I am going to be getting a Ademco 4100sn next week. I will try to get the Ademco vista 128bp online with Lmce. I have all the equipment i need to build Lmce, Which version of lmce should i try it on 0704 or 0710 beta 2?
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I am going to be getting a Ademco 4100sn next week. I will try to get the Ademco vista 128bp online with Lmce. I have all the equipment i need to build Lmce, Which version of lmce should i try it on 0704 or 0710 beta 2?
I would like you to try 0710b2, and log bug reports. If you want a more stable, but still buggy (different bugs, but maybe fewer major ones, but fewer features...) 0704. However, any bug reports on that might not get the same attention as if you're reporting in 0710b2, because that's where developer attention is focused right now. Of course, you could try 0710b2 first, if it fails try 0704, if 0704 fails go back to 0710b2 after reporting the bugs in 0710b2.
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Sounds Good 0710b2 it is. I have been reading a few other forums and they have been saying they use the 4100sn to interface with the Ademco Panels so i think it will be good to go..Wish me luck. I will report back sometime next week when i have recieved the 4100. Thanks for everyones help.
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hi all
some time ago i put up a post telling you guys i have the full protocols for the paradox Digiplex and EVO panels but no one was interested
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some time ago i put up a post telling you guys i have the full protocols for the paradox Digiplex and EVO panels but no one was interested
There's been a lot of new activity (and people) in this project since August-October when you were last posting. I personally don't have a need for those protocols at the moment, but maybe someone else does. I think there are more physical security people around now, so reposting in this thread could help you find others with that mutual interest. I would like to see y'all get together to include it in LMCE according to professional sensibilities, so I can use it without having to be a pro in it myself.
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hi all
some time ago i put up a post telling you guys i have the full protocols for the paradox Digiplex and EVO panels but no one was interested
can you provide me with the specs?
best regards,
Hari
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follow the link for the alarm system specs
http://www.paradox.com/Products/default.asp?PLID=6