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Title: linuxmcestore comming soon. Now Open
Post by: tkmedia on January 03, 2008, 09:18:18 pm
linuxmcestore comming soon.  I will be setting up an online store catering to linuxmce soon (ala mythtv store) what would you like to see there.

Does anyone have any issues of me calling it linuxmcestore.com



All input welcome.



Tim

http://lmcecompatible.com/
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: rrambo on January 03, 2008, 09:25:54 pm
What all will you be selling??  Pre-configured systems??  I think there is a need for an online store selling hardware known to work and ready to go with lmce..  Also parts and accessories that are compatible...  capture cards..  remotes... etc...  of course, people like me will always want to find the cheapest price and build it ourselves...  unless your prices are very competitive....  I would be willing to spend a little extra for a pre-configured system, but not much more...  like the fiire products..  the first thing most of us here do is go out and try to find the same parts to build it ourselves on the cheap..
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 03, 2008, 10:43:15 pm
It has come to my attention that the name may be in conflict. And do not want to imply that it the store is officially endorsed by linuxmce, only that the products have been tested or are known to work with linuxmce.

So in addition to suggested products it looks like a name is needed as well.

Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: rrambo on January 03, 2008, 10:46:53 pm
linuxmediacenter.com
linuxhtpc.com
linuxmediacentersolutions.com
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: colinjones on January 03, 2008, 11:23:19 pm
I'd like to see it offer reasonable world-wide shipping, not just limited to N.A or EU - possible?
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 03, 2008, 11:55:11 pm
I'd like to see it offer reasonable world-wide shipping, not just limited to N.A or EU - possible?

Not sure if reasonable and world wide fit well together as well as customs issues, lot more complicated. Will be just shipping in the USA to start but will review based on level of success.

Going to be tricky giving us techies the prices we demand and be able to keep the doors open.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: hmthom02 on January 04, 2008, 05:36:43 am
I think it would be a great idea to provide products known to work well with Linuxmce.
Just like fast food.  You buy from someone who provides known quality. Yes you can make
a better burger at home, but you gain some convenience.  I would prefer to buy a  video card
that works out of the box. My time shopping and retuning items that are great but will have to
sit on the shelf until the driver bandwagon catches up my video card.
Same thing with home automation x10, yes I want to play with the stuff but I want a place to
pick up some items and try them and come back and buy some more later maybe an IP  web camera.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 04, 2008, 04:25:46 pm
What all will you be selling??  Pre-configured systems??  I think there is a need for an online store selling hardware known to work and ready to go with lmce..  Also parts and accessories that are compatible...  capture cards..  remotes... etc...  of course, people like me will always want to find the cheapest price and build it ourselves...  unless your prices are very competitive....  I would be willing to spend a little extra for a pre-configured system, but not much more...  like the fiire products..  the first thing most of us here do is go out and try to find the same parts to build it ourselves on the cheap..

Yes to pretty much all above,  I will try to price most things within 5$ to 10$ of the going rate.

I will also feature products that offer power savings.

In addition I am thinking "Starter Kits"
That would include

1. Hybrid/core
2. MC/Remote
3. Gigabit switch
4. Patch cords
5. MD


Any other suggestions for starter kit?
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: junior1 on January 04, 2008, 05:56:23 pm
How about offering Tech support for things that you sell and putting together custom systems (HTPC) based off of customers needs along with pre-installed LMCE. 

I am just getting interested in LMCE, on the surface its a great piece of software, but it takes alot of work and knowledge.  I am building a new home and trying to plan my entire home around my (very limited) knowledge of LMCE and what exactly it can do and what exactly it can support in my home automation needs.  I know what I want in my new home, ie: a Media Center, Security cameras, door/windows sensors, Lighting and window treatment control, Doorbell phone, access and control to all my systems via internet, but Im not sure if LMCE supports everything that I want and if it does, which items Is should buy that are proven compatible with LMCE.  Everyone tells me to read, so I am reading, but I feel like I am getting behind the progress of my home.  Being an Airline Pilot and on the road for weeks at a time, having three small children under the age of 5 and trying to oversee the building  of my new home unfortunately doesnt leave me with as much time to read about LMCE as I want. 

I would be more open to contacting a person like you (or anyone else for that matter) who knows the LMCE systems, who can act in an adviser capacity and advise me on the things that I should be looking at to prepare my home as a "Smart Home" working in concert with LMCE.  I want to build a HTPC, and will but getting the right stuff for the HTPC if important, Your company could advise people like me on what to buy and allow us to build our own or I could let you know what my needs are and you build my HTPC for me and pre install LMCE for me.  Either way, its a win wins for each of us.  The key is being cost conscious and providing support after the sale.

This is just a newbies perspective on things based off of my needs. 

Looking forward to the new LMCE store opening soon...

Junior
jhill1023@gmail.com
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 04, 2008, 06:18:33 pm
1st step is going to be for the DIY crowd, but I do intend on starting a sister company offering full service and support catering to the Do nothing yourself crowd and offer support. The pricing is going to reflect it as well. I think the product needs a little more maturing to be able  to satisfy that crowd.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: totallymaxed on January 05, 2008, 04:42:12 pm
How about offering Tech support for things that you sell and putting together custom systems (HTPC) based off of customers needs along with pre-installed LMCE. 

I am just getting interested in LMCE, on the surface its a great piece of software, but it takes alot of work and knowledge.  I am building a new home and trying to plan my entire home around my (very limited) knowledge of LMCE and what exactly it can do and what exactly it can support in my home automation needs.  I know what I want in my new home, ie: a Media Center, Security cameras, door/windows sensors, Lighting and window treatment control, Doorbell phone, access and control to all my systems via internet, but Im not sure if LMCE supports everything that I want and if it does, which items Is should buy that are proven compatible with LMCE.  Everyone tells me to read, so I am reading, but I feel like I am getting behind the progress of my home.  Being an Airline Pilot and on the road for weeks at a time, having three small children under the age of 5 and trying to oversee the building  of my new home unfortunately doesnt leave me with as much time to read about LMCE as I want. 

I would be more open to contacting a person like you (or anyone else for that matter) who knows the LMCE systems, who can act in an adviser capacity and advise me on the things that I should be looking at to prepare my home as a "Smart Home" working in concert with LMCE.  I want to build a HTPC, and will but getting the right stuff for the HTPC if important, Your company could advise people like me on what to buy and allow us to build our own or I could let you know what my needs are and you build my HTPC for me and pre install LMCE for me.  Either way, its a win wins for each of us.  The key is being cost conscious and providing support after the sale.

This is just a newbies perspective on things based off of my needs. 

Looking forward to the new LMCE store opening soon...

Junior
jhill1023@gmail.com

My company already does custom installations with LinuxMCE already installed, configured and working... as does Fiire in a limited way.

But I think tkmedia is trying to offer a service which delivers hardware with a low profit margin to those that are more orientated to doing things themselves. I 100% do think there is a market for that service here. If you start to offer more service then your margins have to be bigger... its getting that balance right for your target customers thats the trick.

My company for example don't target being the lowest price supplier... so we dont compete with what tkmedia is trying to do... and there will always be someone cheaper than us for the bare hardware... but if you want a working system with little or no fuss then we know we're good value ;-)
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 05, 2008, 05:49:46 pm
I probably will not be lowest price out there I certainly won't have the buying power of an NewEgg. Some will always shop for the lowest price, I hoping enough people will find value in what I will offer. Not planning on quiting my day job just yet.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: Amathus on January 08, 2008, 10:11:24 am
I welcome your idea. No issues with the name. I'd like to see proven and tested hardware at good prices - if you want we can also assist - as we build systems and develop software.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 08, 2008, 04:37:27 pm
Thanks I will make contact at one point as things get closer.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: jgaffney on January 09, 2008, 07:41:03 pm
Sounds like a good idea, but it will be tough to make work.  Like you say, tough to get the buying power of places like Newegg and many many others.   With sites like nextag and cnet comparing prices from multiple stores makes it extremely easy to find the cheapest price available if you know what you are looking for.

I would suspect your hard work to put everything together would be used by most as a place to search for known compatible parts and then search the web for them cheaper elsewhere.

A good web site of the listed products and cheapest places to buy them is all anyone would really need.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 09, 2008, 08:48:10 pm

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I would suspect your hard work to put everything together would be used by most as a place to search for known compatible parts and then search the web for them cheaper elsewhere.

To those with price as the only reason they shop you are absolutely right. I am hoping enough will see value in a one stop shop to make it worth it. Like I said in a previous post, "Not planning on quiting my day job just yet."
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: jgaffney on January 09, 2008, 10:21:24 pm
Just wouldn't want someone to put in a ton of work that a bunch of freeloaders would take advantage of.  I hope it works out.
Good Luck.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 09, 2008, 11:54:54 pm
Just wouldn't want someone to put in a ton of work that a bunch of freeloaders would take advantage of.  I hope it works out.
Good Luck.

Thanks,  Unfortunately that is a reality but I will post advertising in the forum and of course there aren't any of those types lurking around here (lol).

Thanks again

See ya at the store when it opens    ;)
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: rexterd on February 24, 2008, 08:28:25 am
I agree with world wide shipping option... we are waiting for the linuxmcestore to open soon.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: bulek on February 24, 2008, 09:18:30 am
Hi,

you'll basically have two types of customers. You'll probably sell not much to those that are capable to buy and search for goods by themselves. But you'll probably sell to those that would like prebuilt boxes...

If I know they are compatible, well tested and well put together, I wouldn't mind to throw few extra bucks for it.

regards,

Bulek.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: nosilla99 on February 24, 2008, 10:24:28 am
To be honest I like the thrill of trying to get a bargain so probably fit into the freeloader category  ;D

But given the number of posts here asking about compatible hardware and specs there is probably a niche for selling "certified" kit, if your not in it to make a fortune and don't expect to make a living from it then you have nothing to lose and everything to gain (apart from your spare time of course)

There is certainly a market for pre-built kit, but buying power is the key

Good luck hope its works out well for you

NOS
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on February 24, 2008, 11:43:03 pm
Thanks

maybe if I sell at a loss, I make up for it in volume ......         

lol
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: reidfo on February 29, 2008, 05:11:24 pm
I for one would be happy to shop at a store that has done the hard work for me. That is, finding compatible hardware and putting it altogether in one place. I also don't mind paying more for that service. I am as much a geek as anybody, but I find I often get frustrated combing through forums and scouring the net trying to find parts that work well together. Many times I am disappointed with the results. Being able to buy hardware that I'm reasonably certain will play nicely together is worth more than the 5-10% or so I might save buying it somewhere else.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on February 29, 2008, 06:31:08 pm
I for one would be happy to shop at a store that has done the hard work for me. That is, finding compatible hardware and putting it altogether in one place. I also don't mind paying more for that service. I am as much a geek as anybody, but I find I often get frustrated combing through forums and scouring the net trying to find parts that work well together. Many times I am disappointed with the results. Being able to buy hardware that I'm reasonably certain will play nicely together is worth more than the 5-10% or so I might save buying it somewhere else.

I am hoping you are not the only one.

anything special you would like to see sold here.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: cmittle on March 03, 2008, 10:17:25 pm
I am also building a new house and would like to put together something as a project over next winter.  I think what would interest me the most is one of two things (depending on if I have any "extra" computers when I start);
1.  The stuff typically required to convert my average ~2 year old desktop computer to a linuxmce capable machine (capture card, remote, specific video cards...) or
2.  Kind of a barebones DIY kit with a cost efficient and reliable processor, motherboard, capture card, remote, etc (minus hard disk and case, people may want various sizes/colors etc, maybe they could find what they'd like from another area in your store!).  This kit would be marginally above the "minimum" requirements so it functions reliably, but doesn't have to be able to do everything at once.  I can build it and install the software I just don't want to spend hours and hours researching and testing/failing different models of products.  If you assure me that I can open the box, put it together, and install and be ready to go that afternoon, I'd pay a premium.


Cory
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: jtgamble on March 31, 2008, 04:23:35 am
I think Cmittle hit it on the nose.

I'd really like to see a place where I can buy a pre-selected set of hardware that is known to work WELL with MCE. Having different levels of performance would be nice as well i.e. A) does single recording stream B) 2x recordings C) 2x recordings plus watch at the same time D) HD content - etc.

I think there are a number of us out there who could do everything ourselves, but would either rather spend time elsewhere or simply don't have the time to devote to all the research.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: ferrariman610 on April 29, 2008, 03:59:23 am
I think a store is a wonderful idea!!!  Even an UPDATED list of compatible

I think a 'starter kit' is also a good idea, but I think that selling pre-made packages would not be a good idea.  I think letting people build the systems themselves would be more 'in the spirit' of Linux.....(that's the best way that I could put my idea in words).

And why not just put a link to the store on linuxmce.com?   ???

 ::)
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: Kernellinux on July 21, 2008, 08:18:11 am
Quote
I for one would be happy to shop at a store that has done the hard work for me. That is, finding compatible hardware and putting it altogether in one place. I also don't mind paying more for that service. I am as much a geek as anybody, but I find I often get frustrated combing through forums and scouring the net trying to find parts that work well together. Many times I am disappointed with the results. Being able to buy hardware that I'm reasonably certain will play nicely together is worth more than the 5-10% or so I might save buying it somewhere else.

I 100% agree with this. I'm no dummy when it comes to linux, but I work as a network technician. All I do all day is fix linux systems. About the last thing I want to do when I get home is start fighting hardware and compiling stuff just to watch TV on my plasma. It's fun to have projects and play with stuff, but sometimes you just want things to work. Things that my family has to use, I don't want them to have to fight. I would spend extra money for a pre-built kit.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: ytuxedo002 on July 21, 2008, 09:31:38 pm
Any update on the store? 
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: mduno on August 10, 2008, 03:01:23 am
I too am curious about the store status.  Hopefully this is still in the works.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: Dale_K on December 30, 2008, 05:18:34 pm
Any news?

I've just started in LMCE and I currently buy from Fiire, but I'm beginning to get interested in products/features they don't offer. (Webpads, alarm, video surveillence, etc.)

As far as price, everybody knows that you pay for convenience and reliability, I'm more than happy to pay more for products I can feel confident will work.  I already have an IT job that keeps me busy 60-80 hours a week and I don't have the time to properly research product compatibility.  The support issue isn't paramount to me beyond RMA if necessary, I know enough about LMCE to know that it's a work in progress and it has a ways to go to becoming a "supportable" product and I'm completely OK with that.

The store is appealing to me because it will hopefully be a one stop shop for everything I want to do with my LMCE installation.  And I can buy with confidence knowing the products offered are proven to work with LMCE.  For that assurance I'll happily pay above market price.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: guliaka on January 21, 2009, 06:40:14 am
Hello to everyone on the site.

I've started playing with LinuxMCE few month ago and accidentally fell in love with it. So when one night I've checked name linuxmcestore.com and found out that it is available it was too compelling to register it and park at my hosting. Now I'm thinking, since that name is really broad one and I alone probably would not be able to fill it up to it's true potential, I'm thinking to convert it into virtual mall where everyone interested could get a storefront. Thoughts?? Ideas?? Comments?? 
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 21, 2009, 12:29:50 pm
Yes that domain has been discussed with the LinuxMCE project  leader (DK)and it was decided that it was not in the best interest of the community to sell  products under that name, possibly  misleading people that it was community backed. Or I would have registered that domain a year ago.
My domain is linuxmcecompatible.com and hopefully will be online in the next few months. Until then I will be offering the web-pads and soon will be offering fully licensed starter kits pre-installed.


See you soon


Tim

P.S.

You may want to do little home work on LMCE licensing.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: Zaerc on January 21, 2009, 12:57:49 pm
Hello to everyone on the site.

I've started playing with LinuxMCE few month ago and accidentally fell in love with it. So when one night I've checked name linuxmcestore.com and found out that it is available it was too compelling to register it and park at my hosting. Now I'm thinking, since that name is really broad one and I alone probably would not be able to fill it up to it's true potential, I'm thinking to convert it into virtual mall where everyone interested could get a storefront. Thoughts?? Ideas?? Comments?? 

Nice way to enter a community.  ::)
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 21, 2009, 02:44:39 pm
I am sure you did not realize any issues in registering the name or doing anything wrong. However in the best interest of the community I feel the domain name linuxmcestore.com be should donated to the LMCE foundation(in progress) to see to its use if any. This would avoid any confusion of community backing.



Just my 2cents


Tim
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: hari on January 21, 2009, 04:07:28 pm
Thoughts?? Ideas?? Comments?? 
bad idea. Get another name.

br, Hari
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: guliaka on January 21, 2009, 06:39:24 pm
Or I would have registered that domain a year ago.

Well, since this name had been hosting porno sites for a while, at list now it is clear of it. Somehow I don't think been associated with porno industry is helpful for LinuxMCE community anyway.

I still think that converting this name into virtual mall with many individual stores will greatly benefit whole community.   
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 21, 2009, 06:49:01 pm
I still think that converting this name into virtual mall with many individual stores will greatly benefit whole community.   

That may be true ... I just would like to have the community to choose what it wants to back, not just have backing by name association.

Thanks for removing the porn BTW



Tim
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: Zaerc on January 21, 2009, 09:47:23 pm
Or I would have registered that domain a year ago.

Well, since this name had been hosting porno sites for a while, at list now it is clear of it. Somehow I don't think been associated with porno industry is helpful for LinuxMCE community anyway.

I still think that converting this name into virtual mall with many individual stores will greatly benefit whole community.   

I think that will benefit you and whoever else cashing in on the name, the community has little use for it.  And at least when it's hosting porn, nobody will make the mistake of thinking we support (or draw benefits from) it.

Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on January 21, 2009, 10:26:45 pm
I noticed the site is live and is using Unauthorized Linuxmce logos and selling unlicensed products.

I suggest pulling the site before you have issues.



Tim


Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: posde on January 21, 2009, 10:28:16 pm
Hello to everyone on the site.

I've started playing with LinuxMCE few month ago and accidentally fell in love with it. So when one night I've checked name linuxmcestore.com and found out that it is available it was too compelling to register it and park at my hosting. Now I'm thinking, since that name is really broad one and I alone probably would not be able to fill it up to it's true potential, I'm thinking to convert it into virtual mall where everyone interested could get a storefront. Thoughts?? Ideas?? Comments?? 

Right now, I suggest to go someplace else. And maybe contact the lmce project manager danielk about the issue. I think it would appropriate to transfer the domain to him, so he can move the registration into the foundation, once the foundation is fully established.

Doing anything else with it, does not look to clean to me.

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tschak909 on January 21, 2009, 10:37:44 pm
Well, Guliaka...

I know you probably weren't thinking of the possible problems that could arise, but please understand:

* Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. You have to work out a royalty agreement to use the name in a commercial enterprise, even a community driven one.

* You must obtain a license to sell hardware with LinuxMCE bundled on it, as per some of the software in the system, which is bundled under the Pluto Public License.

* You can not use the logos for commercial intent without discussing it with the foundation.


You need to take the site down.

-Thom
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: guliaka on January 21, 2009, 10:41:35 pm
I noticed the site is live and is using Unauthorized Linuxmce logos and selling unlicensed products.

I suggest pulling the site before you have issues.

Tim

Quote from wiki: "The following images are considered official logos for the LinuxMCE project, and are placed here for use by project contributors, members of the press, and vendors wishing to show compatibility with our system."

>> unlicensed products

Please enlighten me what is this suppose to mean??
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: posde on January 21, 2009, 10:51:13 pm
>> unlicensed products

Please enlighten me what is this suppose to mean??

Whenever you sell LinuxMCE installed on hardware or hardware that is explicitly specified to be used together with lmce you have to obtain a license from Pluto. Please read the Pluto Public License.

rgds
Oliver
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: hari on January 21, 2009, 10:55:11 pm
lol, you are selling software and don't even know about the license?

brave man you are,
Hari
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: guliaka on January 21, 2009, 10:58:14 pm
OK, I got the picture, thank you.

I guess I'll have to wait till current crisis will clear up a field. Because craigslist is full of offerings....
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: guliaka on January 21, 2009, 11:03:49 pm
lol, you are selling software and don't even know about the license?

brave man you are,
Hari

I'm really sorry, but I'm not selling software. My goal is to help people who is not technically savvy to enjoy the benefits LinuxMCE, absolutely terrific open source package, can offer.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: hari on January 21, 2009, 11:08:12 pm
how do you want to support your offering without even knowing the license of the bits it is composed off? We use tons of different software products/packages.

Please don't get me/us wrong, we are not against people doing business around LinuxMCE. But you should:

1.) be well prepared to be able to service your customers well and don't leave them with a "negative LinuxMCE taste" over bad support
2.) obey rules (licenses, trademarks, copyright)
3.) work together with the community
4.) don't believe you can make a quick buck and leave the community "fix" your installations and customers

best regards,
Hari
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: hari on January 21, 2009, 11:10:04 pm
we can also make a "virtual shopping mall" pointing to the shops on shop.linuxmce.org or something like that. I'd prefer that over random *.abclinuxmcexyz.* domain names popping up like mushrooms. To be discussed.

br, Hari
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: Zaerc on January 21, 2009, 11:11:52 pm
...
Quote from wiki: "The following images are considered official logos for the LinuxMCE project, and are placed here for use by project contributors, members of the press, and vendors wishing to show compatibility with our system."
...

Thank you for pointing out that oversight, it has been fixed.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: colinjones on January 21, 2009, 11:26:15 pm
Short version - when you provide hardware for LMCE, even if you only provide the DVD and instructions on how to install it, but especially when you actually install it as a packaged system - you are selling a licensed, commercial product. Thus you have to purchase a licence for each installation from Pluto, the company that created LMCE originally. Otherwise you are breaking the licence, and with it, the law.

Pluto created a product called PlutoHome - this was a closed source, commercial product. Subsequently, they decided to open source it and share development with a growing community - this became what is known as LMCE. There have been many stages since, but fundamentally, LMCE is at least partly licensed under the PPL as well as a GPL. The PPL placed restrictions on use of the product so that the community/public could use the product freely (in both senses), but that their competitors couldn't just lift their technology and resell it for free and put them out of business.

This isn't really just an inconvenient, unintended after effect of the licensing - in a small way, what you are talking about is becoming a competitor to Pluto by setting up to distribute systems to the public that compete with their solution. They don't mind if you lift the technology and use it personally as much as you like. Its when you start distributing that they have a legitimate concern! Take a look as Fiire, Micasaverde and Convergent Home Technologies - they all have licences to do this, moreover as Hari pointed out, CHT in particular not only offer a complete, supported solution but also are some of the strongest contributors to the community. Any commerical approach to the product that was likely to impact its reputation in the pursuit of profit is very likely very unwelcome. Take a look at the threads about the problems Fiire suffered. I sincerely doubt that you could, currently, support the product as it requires an enormous amount of detailed and specific LMCE technical knowledge.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: Zaerc on January 21, 2009, 11:32:19 pm
we can also make a "virtual shopping mall" pointing to the shops on shop.linuxmce.org or something like that. I'd prefer that over random *.abclinuxmcexyz.* domain names popping up like mushrooms. To be discussed.

br, Hari

Probably better to use linuxmce.com for that.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: hari on January 21, 2009, 11:36:36 pm
yeah, right :-)
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: eatmeimadanish on April 06, 2009, 11:59:03 pm
I just called Pluto Home and some guy just answered the phone with "Hello."  No company name or anything, then he sent me a huge document with the pricing at the end (in a completely different font), 50 bucks for Core, and 20 for each MD. In the end not that bad, still significantly cheaper than anything else with the same features.  However, I seriously doubt this company will ever offer a drop of support.  Especially if Aaron is using his home phone number as his company number...
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tschak909 on April 07, 2009, 12:46:13 am
Welcome to the realities of the economy.

-Thom
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: colinjones on April 07, 2009, 01:07:15 am
I just called Pluto Home and some guy just answered the phone with "Hello."  No company name or anything, then he sent me a huge document with the pricing at the end (in a completely different font), 50 bucks for Core, and 20 for each MD. In the end not that bad, still significantly cheaper than anything else with the same features.  However, I seriously doubt this company will ever offer a drop of support.  Especially if Aaron is using his home phone number as his company number...

For $50/$20 for an eternal licence, I wouldn't expect them to provide any support :) it is a licence not a support agreement, after all!
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: ivanp on April 07, 2009, 04:43:46 pm
I just called Pluto Home and some guy just answered the phone with "Hello."  No company name or anything, then he sent me a huge document with the pricing at the end (in a completely different font), 50 bucks for Core, and 20 for each MD. In the end not that bad, still significantly cheaper than anything else with the same features.  However, I seriously doubt this company will ever offer a drop of support.  Especially if Aaron is using his home phone number as his company number...

Would You care to share that document with all of us? I think that would interest a lot of people here, including myself.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: eatmeimadanish on April 07, 2009, 10:08:40 pm
Sure thing boss. It would be nice if Pluto changed its site to reflect its change of business and offer licensing straight from his site. 
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: eatmeimadanish on April 07, 2009, 10:11:30 pm
P.S.  50 bucks is alot for free community driven software. Not that its not worth it, but still. 
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tschak909 on April 07, 2009, 10:17:30 pm
Given what this does, and what other solutions cost, (do you even know?!) you're bitching?? REALLY?

-Thom
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: posde on April 07, 2009, 10:26:16 pm
P.S.  50 bucks is alot for free community driven software. Not that its not worth it, but still. 

You know what they say: Take it or leave it
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: eatmeimadanish on April 07, 2009, 10:33:34 pm
Was I bitching?  I really didn't think I was.  The entire point of the license was to not compete with Pluto's hardware solution.  Last I checked there were no hardware solutions that Pluto was offering (I know this for a fact, because I actually checked) which eliminates the main point of the license.  So yes I have a valid reason to snicker at the 50 dollar license even though, in the same sentence I stated clearly that it was probably worth it.  I am not bitching, just offering the perspective that the point is dated, and that paying for open source software isnt common.  So calm down.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tschak909 on April 07, 2009, 10:38:17 pm
Actually, you're about to get smacked around by totallymaxed.

There _are_ two Pluto licensees that have been selling complete systems and support. Dianemo in the UK, and Centersonic in Europe, and HAVE been doing so, since 2005.

*stick-your-foot-in-your-mouth*

:)

-Thom
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: eatmeimadanish on April 07, 2009, 11:12:00 pm
hmm... ok so your point is that other people are paying license to pluto... and... does pluto sell hardware?  Nope. Pluto initially placed the license so that they were not competing with themselves, with software they wrote on hardware solutions they were selling.  Of course they based their software on open source software before them, and combined other open source material to make theirs work... thus making most of their product... open sourced. How come you feel you need to get all rediculously emotional about the mere observation that Pluto IS NOT SELLING HARDWARE? Seriously, I was just musing.  Again I say relax... sorry to offend your sense of propriety, i did not know that offering an opinion was going to get me "Smacked around".  Which is retarded, cause this is the internet. 
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: colinjones on April 07, 2009, 11:42:30 pm
Guys, this is off topic, stop posting on this point or I lock the thread. The subject is tk's linuxmce store, and directly related subjects. The licence is the licence, end of story.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: NikAmi on June 24, 2009, 11:59:45 am
Here's a bit of advice:

Do something to get your domain name from triggering Firefox's security. Apparently Firefox believes linuxmcecompatible.com to be an attack site and has red flagged it. If you are still planning on using that as your domain, I would quickly remedy that and park the domain safely otherwise you will be blacklisted by many filters and most likely won't be able to get off of them all.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: rperre on June 28, 2009, 06:43:48 pm
Let's get back to the store front, when is it going to be available, can you at least put a current status report on a simple index.html on your domain, not sure what it's showing now?

I'm interested in what you will have to offer. Also where can I find info on the tablet you are selling?

I would be interested to see different kind of compatible remotes and or gyro's and tablets and/or fully capable touch screen remotes.

Richard
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: tkmedia on June 28, 2009, 07:48:05 pm
My apologies, many things have the delayed the opening of the linuxmcestore.


Everything from the name Linuxmce store to properly licensing of pre-installed systems and even the domain name itself.

It's amazing what issues arise when when taking an open source project to the point where you want to sell pre-installed systems.

In any event, with luck I should have something up in 30-60 days.

I am also working with the community trying work out how give a portion of the proceeds back into development.

For the time being proceeds from the web-pads are going to help one of the major developers on the team, as well into new hardware to be supported by LinuxMce.


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Also where can I find info on the tablet you are selling?
http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=7051.0

Thanks for your patience

Tim


Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon.
Post by: coley on June 28, 2009, 10:18:38 pm
Great to hear this is still on the cards!

-Coley.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon. Now Open
Post by: tkmedia on October 07, 2009, 06:43:17 pm
Ok guys I am no E-commerce guru but here it is.

http://lmcecompatible.com/

I will be adding items regularly,

Let me know what you think


Thanks


Tim
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon. Now Open
Post by: nite_man on October 08, 2009, 09:01:40 am
I'd suggest to tag all devices additionally to categories. For example, Z-Wave or X10 etc. It'd help to find full range Z-Wave devices, for example. Also, devices produced for specific region should be mark somehow. For example, Z-Wave switch can be produced for US or Europe electricity standard. But main idea and implementation are good :)
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon. Now Open
Post by: coley on October 08, 2009, 06:41:28 pm
Congrats Tim on getting it this far!!

Is the site to be US-centric or cover the erst of the world too?
I tried clicking the Shipping info and it only brought me to my empty basket - no details on shipping.

Noticed a glitch on the logo display, behaves correctly on firefox, but isn't visible on chrome - obscured by a stray tile, see attached screen-caps

-Coley.
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon. Now Open
Post by: adamoutler on December 13, 2010, 06:19:06 pm
site is not ie6 compatible :(
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon. Now Open
Post by: hari on December 14, 2010, 01:09:09 am
site is not ie6 compatible :(
Hehehe good one
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon. Now Open
Post by: Kezza on December 14, 2010, 03:22:34 am
site is not ie6 compatible :(

What's that? :p

If your running IE6 your just asking for trouble. Might pay to upgrade to version 8 or even 9 :)
Title: Re: linuxmcestore comming soon. Now Open
Post by: nite_man on December 14, 2010, 08:43:38 am
site is not ie6 compatible :(
Use Opera, Firefox or Chrome. Youtube also doesn't support IE6, for example.