LinuxMCE Forums

General => Users => Topic started by: RDAC on September 12, 2007, 06:11:13 pm

Title: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 12, 2007, 06:11:13 pm
Hey guys, I'm working on putting together a LinuxMCE demo for Maker Faire in Austin, TX on October 20 & 21.

I've got some volunteers, and even a sponsorship! So, hopefully we'll see some good (and some more users) come out of it.

Right now, Intermatic (Home Settings) is donating the needed Z-Wave modules, and I put in a message to Fiire if they'd like to lend anything to the cause.

I'll keep a worklog of progress as I go, and if you see me falling into any traps, let me know. I'm about a month out from this point, so plenty of time to catch and make changes.

Thanks all!
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: PeteK on September 12, 2007, 06:37:47 pm
Does the intermatic USB adapter work with LMCE?  I was under the impression that it did not.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 12, 2007, 06:50:30 pm
Here's the list of equipment (modifications made):

Abit AN-M2 motherboard
AMD Athlon X2 BE-2350 45w Processor
2 Gig DDR2-800 Ram
Sony Vaio VGP-XL1B3 200 Disc Jukebox & Recorder
Nvidia 7050 Onboard Graphics
Nokia 770 Internet Tablet
Nokia 6255i Cell Phone (Show Applet Push)
500 GB Media Drive
80 GB System Drive
Snapstream Firefly Remote
MicroFly Case w/ 400w Power Supply
Intermatics Sensor Package

Total cost to build - $1060 (includes retail cost of all parts, phone, controllers and sensors)

Let me know if I need to improve anywhere. Intermatics is donating all of the Z-Wave controllers and components that I'll need.
I still need to find a source for the IP phone. I also need to find a cheap IP camera, so please let me know if a standard webcam would work in this case (got plenty of those).

Speaking of controllers, they're sending me out one of the stick-type USB interface modules. Has anyone had a good experience with this type of controller? Please let me know, because if I need to be hunting on eBay for the older module, I need to start hunting. Overall, though, I want to avoid this because I want everything to be pretty much off-the-shelf, which rules that older USB dongle out (no longer manufactured, difficult to find online).

Finally, I contacted Fiire about possibly showing off some of their goods, but from some of the responses I've seen on the boards (and my experience with their tech support, which was just weird), I'm willing to consider other integrators who would be willing to help us out.

I've got a WindowsMCE remote laying around that I could use, but I think that if I can't get hold of Fiire, I'll just use the Gyration mouse. Either way, should be fine.

I also emailed the main contact on LinuxMCE's main page, but got no response, which is why I decided to put the worklog here.

Am I screwing up on anything, or does it look all good?
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 12, 2007, 06:52:41 pm
Does the intermatic USB adapter work with LMCE?  I was under the impression that it did not.

They've offered me some Linux reference drivers, but that was one of my big concerns. They've made an offer of possibly some more refined drivers, but I'll have to go through a NDA for those. It may just be simpler to try to find one of the older modules, but that's why I posted here.

Thanks for the great feedback, keep it coming!
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: PeteK on September 12, 2007, 07:24:59 pm
Hmm, support for intermatic z-wave devices would be nice, but I think you may have a tough time getting that up and running easily.  I'm looking at the Zwave implementation in detail as I work on the Insteon module.  If Insteon has drivers, it would be a good idea to try to work that back into the zwave implementation in the near future.

I got my ZCU000 here: http://www.ocautomation.com/

They were the lat ones I found that had it in stock.  You should probably give them a call.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: tschak909 on September 12, 2007, 07:31:16 pm
I do recommend getting some sort of tablet to show off the tablet orbiter functionality. (I use these a lot alongside my remote as a good way to trigger lights, security panels etc.).. I am currently evaluating the Nokia 770 as a tablet (nice, small, inexpensive ($150)), and the orbiter works pretty well here, if a bit crash-prone currently due to its alpha-state....

I know the Cisco 7970 is very expensive, but it does make a good demonstration piece as well especially in reference to the telecom portions of the software.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 12, 2007, 07:35:01 pm
Shot them a call, got a fax machine. They do list it on their website, and there's a couple of them on eBay, so one way or another it should work.

The Intermatic products look like standard Z-Wave faire (possibly just rebranded, but not sure), so hopefully it'll be easy as pie. I'll know better once I get my hands on them.

Wouldn't it be great to just go down to Home Depot, buy the Intermatic products, and be able to have it all up and running in LinuxMCE? Talk about a great weekend project, I sure hope this works.

I'll try to get hold of Cisco, see if they can lend me a demo unit. That's going to be one part that I would like to feature, as per I don't know of another home automation solution that incorporates telephony as well.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: marrandy on September 12, 2007, 07:42:39 pm

Intermatic zwave is available in myocal lowes in st. petersburg, FL

I had no positive response to my query if their stuff was supported though.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: tschak909 on September 12, 2007, 08:02:12 pm
also, don't worry about Paul (the main LinuxMCE contact), he's very swamped at the moment with at LEAST 10 different things immediately on his plate (ranging from dealing with the pilot pressing of the official LinuxMCE DVDs, to the fixing of bugs that have cropped up during the update from Zap2it Labs to SchedulesDirect), with that said, it would have probably taken a while for him to reply back to you,

so yeah, it's probably best you post here.

-Thom
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 12, 2007, 08:07:01 pm
On the phone with Cisco now, wish me luck.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 12, 2007, 08:56:07 pm
Well, no luck for now. Individual kept pushing me off to establish an account or find a certified voice provider in my area.

###

Got a little bit of progress. The local AT&T rep is making a call to Cisco on my behalf, and I also contacted Voipdw.com to see if they'd be willing to help out. If anybody else has a resource for this phone and they'd be willing to let us borrow it for the demo, let me know.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: totallymaxed on September 12, 2007, 08:56:57 pm
Does the intermatic USB adapter work with LMCE?  I was under the impression that it did not.

The intermatic USB SUC is not supported currently by lmce's Zwave driver I'm afraid.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: PeteK on September 12, 2007, 11:37:27 pm
Does the intermatic USB adapter work with LMCE?  I was under the impression that it did not.

The intermatic USB SUC is not supported currently by lmce's Zwave driver I'm afraid.

If Intermatic is offering drivers as he said, maybe we can develop something from those.  Not having a workable/available Zwave adapter sucks.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 12, 2007, 11:50:02 pm
Agreed. I signed the NDA, so it's hush-hush from here. We'll see where this goes...

BTW, who on the forum has experience with the lmce zwave driver dev?
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: PeteK on September 12, 2007, 11:57:54 pm
I PM'd you the contact at Pluto.  the Zwave source is also in the distributed source tarball.  I'm getting pretty intimate with it as I work on Insteon development.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 13, 2007, 12:18:48 am
I've also got access to a compaq tablet PC w/WinXP on it (boo, hiss, I know, I know) that could serve as an orbiter, or perhaps a terminal. What do you think? Would it be possible to have multiple orbiters, or is that just not a good idea, and I should just save it as a terminal?
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 13, 2007, 12:41:42 am
Here's the tablet, by the way:

http://reviews.cnet.com/tablet-pcs/hp-compaq-tablet-pc/4505-3126_7-20627295.html

I'd also like to incorporate the Wiimote, love those things. Would work great, since they make a dockable charger for it, and it's got a gyro.

I'm excited!
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: tschak909 on September 13, 2007, 03:31:33 am
shouldn't be a problem, and it would be good to show how easy it is to install an orbiter onto an existing PC.

As for the Wiimote... haven't dealt with it, although a few in here have.

-Thom

Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 13, 2007, 03:35:28 am
Yeah, the Nokia definately wasn't easy. I'm doing it two times, just so I can put out some better documentation.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: Todd on September 13, 2007, 03:44:14 am
I don't have any personal experience with the wiimote, but this thread seems the closest to getting it sorted out:
http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=2411.0 (http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=2411.0)
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: gazlang on September 13, 2007, 10:17:47 am
Yeah, the wiimote works great, although it currently doesn't start up auto on system boot - but it's only a matter of time before this is figured out.

You do however need a pair of ir sources for the pointer to work (otherwise it is just a gyro).

I picked up a wireless 'sensor bar' from ebay. It takes batteries so you don't need a wii to run it off. (you can use candles, but it is a bit unsightly for the purpose of a demo!).
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 13, 2007, 02:16:17 pm
Gazlang, is this the standard wireless sensor bar for the wii, or is it something special?
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: gazlang on September 13, 2007, 02:26:29 pm
Yes, actually I didn't realise amazon were selling them! I bought mine a while back, but didn't realise they were commercial now :-)
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 13, 2007, 04:00:09 pm
Yeah, back when they first came out home users were hacking them. Now, you can go down to any neighborhood game store and pick one up. I also heard the range is far better with the battery powered models than the simple wired one that comes with the wii, so there's another thing for purchasing one.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: 1audio on September 14, 2007, 07:26:55 am
Quote
Would it be possible to have multiple orbiters, or is that just not a good idea, and I should just save it as a terminal?

One of the unique benefits of LMCE is that it will support as many orbiters/remotes as you want to use. And by selecting the room on the orbiter it moves to where-ever you want it. I can control any tv/device in the house from any orbiter anywhere. (Even over the web if the port is open).

The Samsung Q1 is possibly the best touchscreen but its pricy. And tablet PC will work since the windows orbiter will run on them.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 15, 2007, 08:08:23 am
Hey, I'd like to make a banner. Where would I get a vector version of the LinuxMCE logo?
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 15, 2007, 12:34:36 pm
Also updated system specs, this is going to be interesting. I'm going to add it to the Wiki once it's all up and running this weekend.

Saw some awesome deals at Fry's, so gonna go try the low-power route. We'll see what comes of it.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 15, 2007, 12:50:52 pm
also, don't worry about Paul (the main LinuxMCE contact), he's very swamped at the moment with at LEAST 10 different things immediately on his plate (ranging from dealing with the pilot pressing of the official LinuxMCE DVDs, to the fixing of bugs that have cropped up during the update from Zap2it Labs to SchedulesDirect), with that said, it would have probably taken a while for him to reply back to you,

so yeah, it's probably best you post here.

-Thom

Anybody know how I could get hold of Paul about this? I'd love to have some to hand out at the show.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 16, 2007, 02:22:34 am
For software freedom day, I went and started the build. So far, so good. Also spent some time helping others build kubuntu boxes, it's been a good day overall.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 17, 2007, 06:35:35 pm
Think I'm about to give up on this board. Got it running well on UI1, but UI2's not being cooperative. Probably going to switch boards today to the ECS GeForce6100SM-M I've got laying around here today.

I don't count the time as a loss, though. Learned quite a bit about xorg.conf and how to use vi, but since the newer board won't do UI2 w/ alpha blending, that's a showstopper.

Doing the swap out today, and we'll have a major build day on Wed. as well with the volunteers that will be manning the booth.

Still haven't heard from Cisco, Fiire, or Paul for that matter.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: RDAC on September 25, 2007, 05:41:16 am
Finally got the board up and running today, and I have a reliable install routine. I figured out that the key was to interrupt the process at a specific point before it started installing everything so that I could shoehorn the Envy installer in before LMCE broke everything.

Anyways, I'm going to make a disc image (just in case, since it took so long to get a reliable routine up and running), so if someone mimics my hardware, it should be pretty easy for them to get up and going.

Waiting on more parts, but that bit of good news means that the demo is on, and it should be a good show.
Title: Re: LinuxMCE Demo @ Maker Faire
Post by: tzinternet on November 28, 2007, 07:50:56 pm
I would sure like to know how the show went and also the problem(s) and such.  Would also like to hear how the Sony Media Changer worked out.