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Title: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: davegravy on September 17, 2012, 08:42:20 pm
There has been a considerable number of inquiries over the years by people wanting to interface Z-wave controlled door locks with LMCE. Unfortunately this is not currently possible because the current Z-wave driver lacks encryption support.

LMCE's resident Z-wave guru, Hari, has indicated he is willing to implement encryption support if he is provided with a Z-wave door lock device. Hari has indicated that obtaining such a device, which uses EU Z-wave frequencies, will cost him approximately 270 Euros.

Please use this thread as a place to pledge funds towards this effort. We can work out payment details later, once it's clear there's sufficient support.

I'll start off by pledging 50 Euros.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: PlatypusPedersen on September 17, 2012, 09:03:22 pm
I'm broke as hell, and unsure if I would even use such hardware myself if it was supported... but what the hay, I will pledge 50 Euros too.
You gotta share, you gotta care! :D
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: huh on September 17, 2012, 10:58:10 pm
I'll match your 50 euro too.  PM where to send the money...  Ideally Paypal.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: murcel on September 17, 2012, 11:22:04 pm
75 €
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: wombiroller on September 19, 2012, 09:03:48 am
I have used zwave - count me in for 50 Euro.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: Armor Gnome on September 19, 2012, 10:46:14 am
25 here
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: bongowongo on September 19, 2012, 10:49:47 am
So how much is left? 25 euro's? I will pledge 25 euro's, or a 1000 Bongolians, whichever you fancy.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on September 19, 2012, 01:16:46 pm
cool move folks! Paypal to hari@vt100.at.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: davegravy on September 19, 2012, 02:34:43 pm
Great! Mine's sent.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: huh on September 19, 2012, 03:14:58 pm
Great! Mine's sent.

Same here- sent.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: tehbard on September 20, 2012, 01:28:20 am
25 sent from me and the armorgnome =)
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: golgoj4 on September 20, 2012, 01:37:40 am
will it be compatible with US frequency zwave?

golgoj4
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on September 20, 2012, 09:39:30 am
this should enable support for all z-wave locks
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: bongowongo on September 20, 2012, 10:59:10 am
75 €

Murcel is it possible I can wire you my 25 and you transfer it through paypall to hari?
I do not have paypall.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: murcel on September 20, 2012, 08:22:59 pm
Murcel is it possible I can wire you my 25 and you transfer it through paypall to hari?
I do not have paypall.

sure
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: bongowongo on September 20, 2012, 11:24:53 pm
Could please pm me your account details?
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: wombiroller on September 21, 2012, 11:38:24 am
Also sent :)
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on September 21, 2012, 12:00:38 pm

Donators:
 50.- davegravy
 50.- James (but not Bond)
 50.- PlatypusPedersen
 25.- Dan
 50.- wombiroller
----------
225.-

65.- to go
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: Gangsingen on September 21, 2012, 02:13:08 pm
I´m in with 35€ if paypal transfer is ok!

Should have read the whole thread...... 35EUR sent!
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on September 21, 2012, 02:43:13 pm
Donators:
 50.- davegravy
 50.- James (but not Bond)
 50.- PlatypusPedersen
 25.- Dan
 50.- wombiroller
 35.- Gangsingen
----------
260.-
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on September 21, 2012, 03:10:44 pm
Just ordered, 264,38 EUR

If you guys don't stop funding now I'll buy further z-wave toys like the doorbell and the alarm siren :-)
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: bongowongo on September 21, 2012, 03:13:44 pm
Just ordered, 264,38 EUR

If you guys don't stop funding now I'll buy further z-wave toys like the doorbell and the alarm siren :-)

Wtf, so I am not even needed. Nice... :(
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on September 21, 2012, 04:18:57 pm
bongowongo we don't have support for a z-wave siren and the doorbell.. So just gimme the money to buy them and I'll add 'em :-)
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: huh on September 21, 2012, 06:49:53 pm
James (but not Bond)


That's rather presumptuous...

I may actually use the doorbell, any idea on a cost?
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on September 21, 2012, 11:09:20 pm
That's rather presumptuous...

I may actually use the doorbell, any idea on a cost?
around 50.-
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: mhorst on September 23, 2012, 01:19:30 pm
I'll pledge E25,- for the z-wave doorbel.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: bongowongo on September 23, 2012, 06:14:53 pm
Ok I want to pledge 25 euro's but only if I can just do it through bankwire.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: huh on September 23, 2012, 09:36:20 pm
I'll pledge E25,- for the z-wave doorbel.

I just matched your E25- let's make this pig fly.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on September 23, 2012, 11:24:22 pm
25.- received from huh.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: mhorst on September 24, 2012, 10:39:48 am
Ok, money was sent.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on September 24, 2012, 11:04:19 am
Ok, money was sent.
thanks, received!

Doorbell is funded.
BongoWongo is donating the Siren.

Thank you guys for helping adding device support to LMCE!!

btw, I bought a Fibaro Universal Binary Sensor, support will follow soon. Very recommended to hook up generic sensors or temp sensors.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: Gangsingen on September 24, 2012, 07:28:53 pm
This is awesome!

Exactly what doorlock did you buy?
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: bongowongo on September 24, 2012, 07:56:41 pm
thanks, received!

Doorbell is funded.
BongoWongo is donating the Siren.

Thank you guys for helping adding device support to LMCE!!

btw, I bought a Fibaro Universal Binary Sensor, support will follow soon. Very recommended to hook up generic sensors or temp sensors.

Did you receive my money?
Nice to see that I ended up with the funding of the Siren.
I would hope the siren only produces loops of bongo jokes.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: posde on September 24, 2012, 08:44:07 pm
That would be against the UN convention. Even for the most evil intruder.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on September 24, 2012, 10:16:27 pm
Exactly what doorlock did you buy?
A Vision ZM1701 Doorlock with keypad

br Hari
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: mcefan on September 26, 2012, 04:48:17 am
WHAAAAT?
I missed all the fun?  >:(
(I was too busy sorting out my ignorance - I'm following this thread now, just in case something else comes up)
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: davegravy on November 18, 2012, 04:51:27 pm
Hi Hari,

Just wondering if there's any updates you could share with us? I remember seeing on IRC something about a challenge with needing states and the LMCE architecture not being that well suited to it. Is this a showstopper or do you see a path through it?

Just to be clear, I don't expect updates from you simply because I pitched in for the hardware. That's unreasonable. But if you don't mind sharing your progress simply to satisfy my curiosity that would be great :)

Cheers
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on November 19, 2012, 10:58:29 am
I'm working on a new Z-Wave DCE device together with Sambuca that uses the OpenZWave library. OZW was inspired by our work and got in a pretty decent shape already. The current code in LMCE is not well structured and would need a massive overhaul. It lacks too many things to support encryption. Initially it was just a proof of concept. It just worked quite well so it went into production :-)
While OZW does not yet support encryption in the main branch, there is some work done already. When the new DCE device works well with OZW, we're looking at the encryption bits.

br Hari
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: davegravy on November 19, 2012, 02:55:15 pm
Sweet, thanks for that :)
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: acald on November 19, 2012, 07:42:39 pm
Yes, thanks for that. 

One question for clarification: Would any z-wave USB dongle work with the devices that need encryption because the encryption is happening at the software level or does the hardware also have to support it?
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: l3mce on November 19, 2012, 08:03:44 pm
Where's my new zwave encryptid stuffs?

Have you finished yet?
/me runs
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: acald on November 19, 2012, 08:08:05 pm
And the rest of us duck so as not to become collateral damage.
Title: Re: AW: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on November 19, 2012, 09:05:46 pm
All current dongles should work
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: huh on February 15, 2013, 06:54:51 am
Are there any updates to this?  Will it be include in agocontrol?
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: hari on February 15, 2013, 10:36:20 pm
when it works in OZW, it will work in LinuxMCE and in ago control
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: bugui on March 02, 2013, 08:55:58 am
Hello Hari,
I'm planning to buy some zwave doorlocks but I note that there are two zwave dongles w/different frequencies (on for USA/ another for EUROPE), please. tellme if I'm wrong.
I live in argentina and zwave is not an standard here, then I would like to know what vendors and what frequencies are working and will be add to LMCE as supported in order to buy. Could you clarify that for me?

Thanks
Hernan
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: Armor Gnome on March 02, 2013, 11:16:50 am
I like a good crime movie, even more so when tech is being used. 

In my own home however I don't see heists taking place where someone finds a non-encrypted z-wave lock and walks right in.  My intention on using z-wave locks is for access control more than security.  Such as following a doorbell event or an intercom session I could "buzz" guests in under a "at home secure" setting.

While this could be done with a GC-100's relays, a solenoid (or electromagnet) and a power source I had hopes of using z-wave for its simplicity and reliability. 

Is the encryption portion necessary for operation or for secure operation?


-thank you again Hari, for your contributions that have made my z-wave experiences pleasant I would contribute any time.  I actually wish I could see a video of a 100+ device home to help build interest among my roommates to slowly replace receptacles/switches with z-wave equipment.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: sophist on March 27, 2013, 05:36:10 pm
Any news for developing encryption support for OpenZwave ? I really need that for my door locks  :-[
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: bugui on June 26, 2013, 07:22:00 am
Hello Hari,
Did you get some improvement w/ that doorlook?
Also I would like to know if the door lock can inform who (or what key) was enter via keypad, and the action related (door was opened/or close).
It's that possible with this kind of z-wave doorlocks?

Hernan
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: davegravy on June 26, 2013, 04:07:40 pm
Hari's working with the OpenZwave project to design the next-generation Z-wave driver which will (presumably) ultimately be folded into LMCE.
From lurking in the OpenZwave google group I discovered that to obtain details on the security protocol implementations Sigma Designs (chip manufacturer) requires an NDA, money, and other arrangements which just aren't practical for non-profit community groups like OpenZwave or LMCE.  Attempts are underway to reverse-engineer the protocol, but there's been no estimate on timeline.

If you really want a remote-controllable door lock in the near-term I'd look at a wired system with relay.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: WhiteHatHacker on June 26, 2013, 07:24:05 pm
If anyone requires funding to do an american version, please let me know. I want a Z-Wave door lock.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: acald on April 22, 2014, 10:51:34 am
Has there been any development on the Z-wave encryption front? 

Is this still an issue of reverse engineering?

Is there anything that us mere mortals can do?
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: acald on April 22, 2014, 11:27:06 am
So doing a bit of searching and reading.  Here are a couple of developments that may hasten the pace to getting zwave encryption working with linuxMCE.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34091
http://en.z-wave.me/content/new-version-razberry-released
http://www.openremote.org/display/docs/OpenRemote+2.0+How+To+-+Z-Wave+with+Razberry
http://www.amazon.com/Z-Wave-Razberry-Pi-GPIO-Daughter-Card/dp/B00BL9QFH6

Many of us have USB zwave controller sticks but if it meant installing a raspberry pi as the controller, I'm all for it (Especially if it can also double as an MD.)
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: davegravy on April 22, 2014, 04:40:21 pm
Good finds. Not sure how RPi is doing it, but here is the latest discussion in the OZW Google Group regarding progress and hurdles:

http://tinyurl.com/kxryezz

Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: phenigma on April 22, 2014, 09:07:02 pm
I have a North American ZWave door lock.  As soon as OZW has any support for it we'll push on hari & sambuca to try and incorporate it!  I can pair it with my Aeon labs stick and I have even had the lock join my ZWave network, unsecured.  It doesn't seem to have much functionality in the insecure mode.  Even if it did, we don't appear to have a DT for the lock in LMCE yet...

J.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: tschak909 on April 22, 2014, 09:11:03 pm
What _can_ you do with the lock in unsecured mode ?

"Hi, are you a lock?"
"Yes, I am indeed, a lock."

??

-Thom
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: phenigma on April 22, 2014, 09:12:42 pm
Battery level...  :P, firmware version.  It claims to have security functions but neither the old driver or the zwave driver knows about them to do anything with them it seems.  I'm really not that sure tbh.

J.
Title: Re: Funding Drive: ZWave Door Locks
Post by: posde on April 22, 2014, 11:20:49 pm
/me wonders why people by a specific lock instead of ordering a regular switched outlet