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Title: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: posde on March 17, 2011, 07:00:36 pm
To gather some statistics, I'd appreciate it if people would mark what they are using at the moment. If, later on, you change your system, feel free to change your vote. Please specify your main system, not all the different test systems you are running.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: bongowongo on March 18, 2011, 09:21:03 am
Maybe you should make it sticky.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: tom on July 03, 2011, 06:03:28 pm
I'm on 8.10 all it's the only version I have found to work !!
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: uplink on July 14, 2011, 01:38:36 pm
I'm on 8.10 all it's the only version I have found to work !!
I do hope you reported what you found not to work in 1004 when you tried it.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: donpaul3 on August 13, 2011, 09:31:20 pm
Dianemo S10.10, but I do miss a lot of the LinuxMCE features that are not implemented in Dianemo yet. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: bulek on August 16, 2011, 11:29:36 am
Dianemo S10.10, but I do miss a lot of the LinuxMCE features that are not implemented in Dianemo yet. Keep up the great work!
Hi,

can you please give some more info about features you miss in Dianemo and are present in current LMCE ?

Thanks in advance,
regards,
Bulek.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 16, 2011, 12:46:08 pm
Hi,

can you please give some more info about features you miss in Dianemo and are present in current LMCE ?

Thanks in advance,
regards,
Bulek.


I'll jump in here... we will have updated MythTV & FreePBX/Asterisk packages in coming weeks that will allow users of Dianemo S10.10 to replicate what they can on LinuxMCE while still delivering the unique Dianemo features like uPnP etc. We are also hoping to have the Gyration support re-instated too in the same time frame.

I think the above are the main areas where we have some work to do to if you want to match LinuxMCE features.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: donpaul3 on August 18, 2011, 02:58:36 pm
I'll jump in here... we will have updated MythTV & FreePBX/Asterisk packages in coming weeks that will allow users of Dianemo S10.10 to replicate what they can on LinuxMCE while still delivering the unique Dianemo features like uPnP etc. We are also hoping to have the Gyration support re-instated too in the same time frame.

I think the above are the main areas where we have some work to do to if you want to match LinuxMCE features.

All the best


Andrew

That's correct, and I have been extremely impressed with the Andrew's support and knowledge! I can't wait for the new features (neither can the wife and kids!). The only other biggies I see lacking is VDPAU and media tagging (only Amazon is available and it isn't returning any results at the moment).

I will add that the Dianemo install and update process is flawless, and Dianemo is very stable. I have yet to use the uPnP features of Dianemo but am very much looking forward to it.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: bulek on August 19, 2011, 12:26:21 pm
I'll jump in here... we will have updated MythTV & FreePBX/Asterisk packages in coming weeks that will allow users of Dianemo S10.10 to replicate what they can on LinuxMCE while still delivering the unique Dianemo features like uPnP etc. We are also hoping to have the Gyration support re-instated too in the same time frame.

I think the above are the main areas where we have some work to do to if you want to match LinuxMCE features.

All the best


Andrew
Great news...

Thanks for hard work...

Regards,

Bulek.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: tux-box1 on November 13, 2011, 09:16:26 pm
Small question. I know their's work being done on 10.04 a LTS I'm glad the next build is being based on a LTS.

My only question / suggestion would be.

Instead of starting a new project on 10.04 which is supported through until April 2013 for the desktop version, and until April 2015 for the server version. Would it be better to just start on 12.04 with support from 26 April 2012 to April 2017? I know 12.04 hasn't made alpha yet (dec1 I think) This way we start off fresh with a version that will have through support form main stream through the development process of LMCE. Going this route we won't have to worry about them dropping support for it before the final build like they did with 8.10.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: locutus on November 13, 2011, 10:34:16 pm
this is  the plan, as far as i know, as the SVN says so
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: bongowongo on November 14, 2011, 04:47:52 am
Small question. I know their's work being done on 10.04 a LTS I'm glad the next build is being based on a LTS.

My only question / suggestion would be.

Instead of starting a new project on 10.04 which is supported through until April 2013 for the desktop version, and until April 2015 for the server version. Would it be better to just start on 12.04 with support from 26 April 2012 to April 2017? I know 12.04 hasn't made alpha yet (dec1 I think) This way we start off fresh with a version that will have through support form main stream through the development process of LMCE. Going this route we won't have to worry about them dropping support for it before the final build like they did with 8.10.

This is the plan, till 1204 is not released we work with 1004. The upgrade path is said to be much easier according to the devs. Correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: essem_9 on March 26, 2012, 05:28:31 pm
Speaking of versions, what version of Asterisk will 10.04 have? It would be great if it has the latest version (1.8.x) which can support GVoice. Currently running a separate VM for Asterisk since 8.10 has Asterisk 1.4.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: uplink on March 26, 2012, 05:32:31 pm
Speaking of versions, what version of Asterisk will 10.04 have? It would be great if it has the latest version (1.8.x) which can support GVoice. Currently running a separate VM for Asterisk since 8.10 has Asterisk 1.4.

Unless someone backported asterisk from oneiric (11.10), you get Asterisk 1.6.2.5. Asterisk 1.8 was only added in Oneiric.

See this link for package versions:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=asterisk&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: posde on March 26, 2012, 08:20:54 pm
LinuxMCE 1004 has Asterisk v1.8
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: JaseP on March 26, 2012, 09:00:02 pm
Hmmm!!! Very nice!!!

Once I get my Obi110 set up, this will be great...
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: essem_9 on March 27, 2012, 02:06:51 am
Thanks posde for verifying the Asterisk version. This sure will eliminate one box for me.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: rchamp on May 06, 2012, 08:50:56 pm
Now that 12.04 is out ( and pretty awesome IMHO) are there still talks of this being built on that now?
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: posde on May 07, 2012, 12:36:05 pm
Eventually, LinuxMCE will utilize 1204 as the base.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: PreDeToR_ on May 23, 2012, 04:33:23 pm
Hi Gents

Silly question I know, but how much of the system is hooked into the kernel or specifically the version of ubuntu?

The reason I ask this is that it seems to be a pain to upgrade to a newer version of ubuntu, I understand that testing needs to be done to make sure
things work as they should and fix the bugs that are there.

Is there anyway that we can speed up the process of upgrading to the newest version of ubuntu when it comes out? (Esp for newer hardware support)

Regards
DAnie
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: JaseP on May 23, 2012, 04:42:22 pm
I had the same question, years back,...

Short answer(s):
Yes, it hooks into kernel based services and is very specific to the branch it was developed on (mostly because slight changes in packages can break things very easily in LinuxMCE).

          And,...

Yes, there are plans to upgrade,... eventually. But, as per above, it is a huge effort for the developers to change versions,... Both in terms of bug hunts, and taking advantage of new features and modes of operation from one version to the next. Presently, development is tied to Kubuntu 10.04, with a thought to go to Kubuntu 12.04. The idea is to stick to LTS versions, for stability and support. The time space in between them roughly matches the pace at which LinuxMCE can be updated and stabilized. Although, you'll find LinuxMCE 1004 is VERY stable for "pre-Alpha," or however it's categorized.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: uplink on May 23, 2012, 07:08:04 pm
The problem is with the build system as far as I can tell, as it can be a nightmare to upgrade dependencies and the build system. In Dianemo, we dumped the historical build system and build debs on their own as the things they provide change. In most cases, we also just start with a copy of the repository when we go to a newer version and then just make the changes that are needed for things to work and rebuild just the affected debs. Unfortunately, I can't help LinuxMCE get onto this path - for various reasons, and there doesn't seem to be anyone else able to do this. I had the exact same problem in Dianemo (being Pluto-based and all) before I dropped the Pluto build system.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: PreDeToR_ on May 25, 2012, 01:07:50 pm
Hi Gents

Just a quick silly question.

What part of the OS upgrade is taking so much time, is it the kernel/system hooks, is it testing?

The reason I ask is that MCE is very far behind Ubuntu, meaning we support less hardware.
Is there anyway we can optimize the upgrade process?

Regards
DAnie
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: JaseP on May 25, 2012, 06:18:57 pm
What you need to understand is that LinuxMCE is more than just a bunch of apps running on top of a distro,... If it were, it would be trivial to update it to the latest version of Kubuntu. LinuxMCE is as much a change over a Kubuntu install as is a Kubuntu install is over a base Linux kernel... The whole DCE router system, the databases of devices, scenes, etc., ... the detection of hardware and integration into LinuxMCE's systems is all a level of complexity above what a normal distribution is.

In LinuxMCE, it's not just a bunch of disparate apps running. The different parts of the system talk to one another and coordinate. LinuxMCE actually allows you to share (many of the) devices from one machine to the next, almost as if they were running on the machine you are using at that time.

To help, the developers will tell you that you need to learn the system, and gain an appreciation for why things are done differently. Until you (or I) do, you will only be able to help with occasional niggles here or there where you might have some expertise.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: uplink on May 27, 2012, 02:47:18 pm
just a bunch of apps running on top of a distro

Actually, that's exactly what it is :) And that's exactly what I treat it like. As I said before, it's almost certain that it's the build system holding things back, because it's based on some database content that needs to be updated for each and every distro, and THEN you do a full build each and every time, rather than just build the debs that change - when they change. Dianemo is based on the same software as LinuxMCE (forked from LinuxMCE 7.10, which was really Pluto 2 rebranded - we have a non-PPL commercial licence in case you wonder). You can't easily jump distros because you don't have someone (who isn't me - I'm not allowed, sorry) who can make you a new build system. Dianemo had a similar issue before I made the new build system. Now Dianemo can easily jump distros without a major rebuild (only packages that fail are changed) and the only reason there's no 12.04 Dianemo yet is that I don't actually have the time right now (only need a day), and 11.10 works just fine in the mean time.

I keep throwing you guys bones, only if you could find someone (who isn't me) to think and do it :) It only took me a day to get the database exported into deb package structures (that day was spent making the export script output everything correctly), and then a few chisel and caress them until they all built so I can apt-get them. And to create some meta packages so I can do a simple apt-get :)
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: JaseP on May 29, 2012, 11:26:05 pm
Ok then,... but one question,... Not allowed to share your export script?
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: uplink on May 30, 2012, 01:04:13 am
Ok then,... but one question,... Not allowed to share your export script?

Not even that. Plus, since it was a one off, I'm not even sure I still have it. Possy seems to have an good idea about what to do though.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: JaseP on May 30, 2012, 05:50:28 am
OK,... Then it would fall to Posde to create the script... I've previously volunteered myself to help flesh out the meta data... Of course, I invoke the, "in my own damn good time," clause, in terms of time-tables for completion...
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: totallymaxed on June 06, 2012, 11:01:30 pm
Can you add Dianemo S under Ubuntu 12.04LTS to the list please?

Thanks.

Andrew
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: bri_jac on June 30, 2012, 11:06:24 am
Hi I just removed my vote from  08.10  and created a new vote to LMCE 10.04
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: brononius on July 10, 2012, 10:29:25 am
For the moment i'm on 8.10. But recently i've broken something. I was playing around with the phone system (i needed some extra add-ons), and did some things i better didn't. I've got some sites running on it, and everything is starting to run slow, very slow. A lot of python scripts keep on running, msyql 'to-many-connections'...

I'm thinking or reinstalling the whole server. But since i did some homemade scripts (for backups and so), i'm going to install it on a new disk (thinking of SSD). And later on, i simply put the disk of 1TB with all my data behind the SSD.

Is everything working in the 1004? Or are there still mayor gaps (fe no telephony)?
I don't mind the small things, if we can solve them with a workaround, no prob. But if there are big issues, i prefer to stay on 8.10.

I don't want to upgrade/reinstall the whole system each x months... Or i must say, my girlfriend don't want this. She is sick of it that i'm bringing down the house for 1 week till everything is back ok...

What do you guys advice me to use? The 1004? Or still the 8.10?
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: stedaniels on July 10, 2012, 10:36:44 am
OT.. but virtualise. Install latest Ubuntu Server, throw Xen/KVM/Virtual Box on (that order or preference is based on the running speed of the guest OS i.e. LinuxMCE - no arguments ;-). Install LinuxMCE as a guest, pass through all the peripherals you need for it e.g. USB chipset/devices, Network cards, etc.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: posde on July 10, 2012, 12:55:36 pm
brononi,

there are no major roadblocks on 1004 atm. Especially asterisk is, imho, way better working than before. Especially as we no longer rely on FreePBX. If you have more questions, please open a thread in the users section.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: brononius on July 10, 2012, 12:59:17 pm
there are no major roadblocks on 1004 atm. Especially asterisk is, imho, way better working than before. Especially as we no longer rely on FreePBX. If you have more questions, please open a thread in the users section.

OK, 1004 it will be...

I'll keep you informed (in a proper post of course) if i encounter any issues... ;)


Thanks!
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: Sigg3.net on April 18, 2013, 08:57:55 pm
OT.. but virtualise. Install latest Ubuntu Server, throw Xen/KVM/Virtual Box on (that order or preference is based on the running speed of the guest OS i.e. LinuxMCE - no arguments ;-). Install LinuxMCE as a guest, pass through all the peripherals you need for it e.g. USB chipset/devices, Network cards, etc.
Just make sure that your peripheral supports virtualization before you buy! I setup my LMCE 1004 as a guest on OpenSUSE 12.1 at first, only to discover my TV card can't be virtualized (virtual pass-thru).

Run:
lspci -vv | grep FLReset

If the flag is postitive FLReset+, its signals will pass through to the guest. If it is negative FLReset- it cannot be used in virtual guests (has to do with safe power manipulation or something). I have a TV card on a DVB-C setup, so I'm running on bare metal instead. But that gave me the opportunity to go headless instead with hardware using less power.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: mediajoe on January 26, 2014, 01:55:08 am
New to LMCE, running 1004.  Definitely needs work.  Very frustrated. 

Update repo's are old and some don't work.  Phone setup is extremely difficult. There's no documentation on how to choose a template for a device not in the list.  For instance I'm trying to setup a Grandstream GPX-2000, a business class SIP phone.  No idea if I can use a current template or if I have to create my own.  No idea how to create a templates.

Phones wizard is missing.

There's no solid documentation on how to setup asterisk in LMCE using a TDM card, only sip/iax trunks. 

I like the idea of LMCE but documentation is poor. 

Hardware suggestions are confusing, they don't seem to be very current.

I'd be willing to help with documentation, I'm a technical writer, but I need to see it work.

Maybe 1004 is not what I need to start with, even though you suggest that as a starting point.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: tschak909 on January 27, 2014, 04:02:10 am
I would suggest using 1204, as this is where all the development work is happening, especially with trying to get the telecom system back up to spec.

(1) Nobody has added a template to support TDM trunking with Asterisk, as we designed the wizard to handle SIP and IAX trunks, as they are infinitely easier to set up.

(2) there is no _phones_ wizard, only the page in the web admin to configure the phone devices.

(3) Thanks for liking the idea, but the documentation is only as good as what the community can contribute and maintain. This means people like you ferreting out and helping us find issues, because of the sheer scope of this project, we can't keep everything juggled all at the same time, nor expect to support every possible combination of how this software can be set up, at every point in time.

(4) hardware suggestions are just that, suggestions, and again, are put together from successful installations in the community. Those of us with good hardware configurations will post these on the wiki for others to benefit from, what else do you want?

(5) Thank you so much for offering to help with documentation. I would suggest logging onto IRC, irc.freenode.net, and going into #linuxmce (and eventually into #linuxmce-devel) so we can help you (a) get started with a workable solution, and (b) provide a funnel for brain dumping not only the existing documentation on the wiki, but also what's in our heads (which is infinitely more, it's just the way it is...)

-Thom
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: brononius on October 20, 2014, 03:26:58 pm
I need to extend my home automation system. And at the same time, I'm thinking to reassign hardware addresses and ...

So I think it's also time to start upgrading my server. I'm still on 8.  :-[
Just was looking what the latest version is, and noticed that you guys are already on 1404.
Is this already 'usable'?




Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: posde on October 20, 2014, 03:35:46 pm
1204 is the one most of the devs are using on a daily basis. 1404 is only in the proof of concept stage.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: maverick0815 on October 31, 2014, 10:06:25 pm
Hm, my hands are getting itchy to try 12.04, but I am a bit hesitant. So I was wondering, if you have a rough estimate for a beta....I won't hold you to a date....
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: posde on November 01, 2014, 11:15:22 am
Get it as it is.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: ardirtbiker on November 01, 2014, 02:58:19 pm
maverick0815,

I switched to 12.04 a short time ago... its pretty stable and everything that I DO use works.  I am not all that pleased with the newer Mythtv... it seems slower.

Dennis
Title: 7108101004 or what
Post by: RolandSkiz on March 28, 2016, 01:40:36 pm
Do you have libpng installed?  What version of Imagemagick are you using and what platform?

What response do you get from

convert -version

Does it include PNG as a delegate?
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: DragonK on May 05, 2016, 10:50:38 am
HI Guys & Gals (IF any here)

The question that is allways asked, what version can we use of LMCE now? I see the poll has options for LMCE 1604 and 1404, and last snapshots are January and February respectivly. But the Wiki indicates that 1204 and 1404 is still pre alpha. I havent been here for a while and decided to start up my LMCE box again and implement it. (As I now own my own House. I can finaly do as I please :-) )

Apologies fro the stupid questions  ::)

Karel
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: posde on May 05, 2016, 11:46:19 am
The current (5/5/16) go-to version is netinstall with 1404 - we are working hard to get 1604 into the same state.
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: DragonK on May 05, 2016, 04:48:51 pm
Thanx Once Again.  ;D
Title: Re: 710,810,1004 or what?
Post by: _if_ on May 05, 2016, 11:09:51 pm
I can confirm 1404 netinstall is now in pretty good state! DVD install gave me lots of headache though...