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Title: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 12:59:28 am
All email services giving out free accounts to spammers will be banned as we get more and more of them signing up every day.  This will start one month from now with the banning of all yahoo, gmail and hotmail related email addresses.

So if you use one of these services, please change the email address listed on your profile page, or face the consequences. 

Thank you for your attention.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: bongowongo on January 07, 2011, 10:14:30 am
wow that is a harsh step
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 11:06:05 am
wow that is a harsh step
Not really, just about every consumer internet connection on the planet comes with at least one proper email address.  
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: bongowongo on January 07, 2011, 11:17:45 am
That is true, but isn't this "curing the symptoms"?
There is a reason why I like to use my hotmail address.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 11:26:46 am
That is true, but isn't this "curing the symptoms"?
There is a reason why I like to use my hotmail address.
As 99% of the spammers seem to use those services, "curing the symptoms" will do just fine for me.
Good for you.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: bongowongo on January 07, 2011, 11:36:02 am
That means that I am not able to post on the forum anymore, and others too.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 12:02:27 pm
That means that I am not able to post on the forum anymore, and others too.
Unless you actually change it, which is what this heads-up seems to be all about. 
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: bongowongo on January 07, 2011, 12:40:46 pm
There are no other options that this? I do not believe it. I think this is a bad decision, are all options explored? Could you elaborate what has been done to prevent spammers? On other fora, gmail/hotmail/etc are still being used.
How many users in the forum use the free email and are not spammers?
Please reconsider.
Because I will not and cannot change my e-mail policy.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: bongowongo on January 07, 2011, 12:54:38 pm
Is it a manpower issue?
If that is the case I am happy to apply for the position of moderator.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 01:23:51 pm
There are no other options that this? I do not believe it. I think this is a bad decision, are all options explored? Could you elaborate what has been done to prevent spammers? On other fora, gmail/hotmail/etc are still being used.
How many users in the forum use the free email and are not spammers?
Please reconsider.
Because I will not and cannot change my e-mail policy.
I think I have elaborated enough already.  The decision stands, good luck on those other fora.

Is it a manpower issue?
If that is the case I am happy to apply for the position of moderator.
Are you kidding me!?!  By now I'm starting to hope that you'll actually stick to your undisclosed "e-mail policy". 

Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: bongowongo on January 07, 2011, 01:40:00 pm
Maybe you are to smart for me.
But the other reason is very simple why I use a free e-mail provider.
On public / hobby fora, usually they are not always proper maintained, because webadmins do it as a hobby, so that poses a risk that my real e-mail will be out in the open.
Even big companies sometimes throw your stuff out in the open.
But not being able to combat the spam problem, strengthens my believe that I need a free e-mail carrier, because of the above reason.
I will not fight it anymore and just, let it happen, because I cannot persuade you. To bad.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 02:09:32 pm
Maybe you are to smart for me.
But the other reason is very simple why I use a free e-mail provider.
On public / hobby fora, usually they are not always proper maintained, because webadmins do it as a hobby, so that poses a risk that my real e-mail will be out in the open.
Even big companies sometimes throw your stuff out in the open.
But not being able to combat the spam problem, strengthens my believe that I need a free e-mail carrier, because of the above reason.
I will not fight it anymore and just, let it happen, because I cannot persuade you. To bad.
Your paranoid beliefs (and subtle insults) are no concern of mine.  Keeping out the dozens of spammers signing up every single day, however, is.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: MDH1966 on January 07, 2011, 02:44:19 pm
My complaint about this is as follows:

My only non-free email account is a work email account and it can only be used for official business, (it is a ".army.mil" account).  My only internet access at home is through my cell phone since my only other option is dial-up.  My phone is an android by Google and requires a Google email address.  It is through Verizon but I don't have a Verizon email account.  I have no other email accounts that I can register.  Is there someway to ask for an exception to this policy?  I haven't been on in a while because I had no hardware to build.  I have saved money for a while and I am about a month away from starting to build.  Once I start building, I can only imagine that I will have questions for the forum.

Please don't close the door on me.

Thank you for listening.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: bongowongo on January 07, 2011, 02:49:25 pm
You are telling me this is the only and best solution?
You decide and do not even want to think or discuss about other options, while this has a big impact on the community.

I think it is just the most easy solution, only for the webadmins.


Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: wierdbeard65 on January 07, 2011, 02:53:33 pm
Please coulod someone point me to the thread where this was discussed and the decision made by the community?
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: davegravy on January 07, 2011, 02:55:38 pm
Add me to the list of those who will be gone in a month if this is enforced. I wish you luck in your continued alienation of valuable contributors via your hubristic approach.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 03:00:20 pm
My complaint about this is as follows:

My only non-free email account is a work email account and it can only be used for official business, (it is a ".army.mil" account).  My only internet access at home is through my cell phone since my only other option is dial-up.  My phone is an android by Google and requires a Google email address.  It is through Verizon but I don't have a Verizon email account.  I have no other email accounts that I can register.  Is there someway to ask for an exception to this policy?  I haven't been on in a while because I had no hardware to build.  I have saved money for a while and I am about a month away from starting to build.  Once I start building, I can only imagine that I will have questions for the forum.

Please don't close the door on me.

Thank you for listening.
Get a real email address from Verizon, it should come with the account.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: coley on January 07, 2011, 03:06:52 pm
While it is easy to see where Zaerc is coming from with close to 17,000 members registered on this forum and so many with 0 or just 1 post, I think this blanket ban is sledge-hammer vs nut in the extreme.
The SMF software can be set up to have new members approved only by Mods as opposed to the current activation email, this might stem the tide of unwanted spammers.

-Coley.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: brake16 on January 07, 2011, 03:14:07 pm
Zaerc

Sorry to hear about the spammer problem.  (Although the one that signed off as a chick was entertaining).  Any chance recaptcha could be implemented for new accounts (ideally), or for postings?

http://recaptcha.net/ (http://recaptcha.net/)

Bryce
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: MDH1966 on January 07, 2011, 03:18:56 pm

Get a real email account from Verizon, it should come with the account.


It's not a real internet connection as Verizon is not my ISP as they would be with a DSL or FIOS account.  It is a data connection that is tied to my phone number.  My internet comes from tethering my phone to my computer.  I have checked and I don't have a Verizon email account.  Just the Google account that came with the phone.  In fact, it was a requirement to activate the phone.  It is truly the only email account that I have.  I can't get a non-free email without setting up an ISP to my house.  Like I said before, my only option in that realm is dial-up.  I would love to have dsl or cable if it was available.  Satellite is out of my price range.

Any help in this matter is appreciated.

Thanks...

M.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 03:24:49 pm
While it is easy to see where Zaerc is coming from with close to 17,000 members registered on this forum and so many with 0 or just 1 post, I think this blanket ban is sledge-hammer vs nut in the extreme.
The SMF software can be set up to have new members approved only by Mods as opposed to the current activation email, this might stem the tide of unwanted spammers.

-Coley.

So then we have to approve them first, only to kick them out again once they actually start spamming.  More work with no benefit whatsoever...

Zaerc

Sorry to hear about the spammer problem.  (Although the one that signed off as a chick was entertaining).  Any chance recaptcha could be implemented for new accounts (ideally), or for postings?

http://recaptcha.net/ (http://recaptcha.net/)

Bryce
The registration form when you sign up already has something like that.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 03:32:46 pm

Get a real email account from Verizon, it should come with the account.


It's not a real internet connection as Verizon is not my ISP as they would be with a DSL or FIOS account.  It is a data connection that is tied to my phone number.  My internet comes from tethering my phone to my computer.  I have checked and I don't have a Verizon email account.  Just the Google account that came with the phone.  In fact, it was a requirement to activate the phone.  It is truly the only email account that I have.  I can't get a non-free email without setting up an ISP to my house.  Like I said before, my only option in that realm is dial-up.  I would love to have dsl or cable if it was available.  Satellite is out of my price range.

Any help in this matter is appreciated.

Thanks...

M.
Instead of grasping at straws, please take it up with Verizon.  They provide you with the connection which should come with an email address. 
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: brake16 on January 07, 2011, 03:36:11 pm
Zaerc

Sorry to hear about the spammer problem.  (Although the one that signed off as a chick was entertaining).  Any chance recaptcha could be implemented for new accounts (ideally), or for postings?

http://recaptcha.net/ (http://recaptcha.net/)

Bryce
The registration form when you sign up already has something like that.


Okay.  How about using it with postings then?
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: purps on January 07, 2011, 03:43:31 pm
Is there no way you can block all of the gmail, hotmail, yahoo accounts as planned, EXCEPT specific ones belonging to purps, brake16, davegravy etc?

Am I right in saying that all spammers are automated bots, or are there "human" spammers as well? Is there any (free) way of signing up new users with the classic "enter the text you see in the box" question?
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: MDH1966 on January 07, 2011, 03:46:11 pm

Instead of grasping at straws, please take it up with Verizon.  They provide you with the connection which should come with an email address.  


I did...and it does....it's a Google account.  That's it.  I don't have a verizon.net account and they won't give me one unless they are my isp with dial-up, DSL, or FIOS.  End of story from them.

I suppose my days here are numbered.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: MDH1966 on January 07, 2011, 03:53:37 pm
If you figure out a way to do individual exceptions to policy, I would be willing to do whatever I need to do to validate that I am not a spammer.

Thank you,

 M.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: uplink on January 07, 2011, 03:58:31 pm
Dude. Stop for a second. I don't have a "mainstream" ISP. I use whatever others throw at me. What you are saying is that I should step away from this Internet thing because I don't have an alternative e-mail address than @gmail.com

I also checked my calendar to see if it's April Fools already, and it isn't.

If anything, we should change the signup procedure to make it harder for bots. I have some ideas if you want to hear them.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: davegravy on January 07, 2011, 03:59:17 pm
Is there no way you can block all of the gmail, hotmail, yahoo accounts as planned, EXCEPT specific ones belonging to purps, brake16, davegravy etc?

My fear is as much for future participants as current participants. Highly skilled developer X hears about LinuxMCE and decides on a whim to come by the forum to ask some general questions about it. Developer X finds he needs to do extra work to get/activate a non-free email account and quickly loses interest in the project specifically because it's a stupid rule that most other projects work without. Banning free email accounts has an arguably greater cost to the project than the spam itself.

Seriously, lots of other projects manage while allowing free email accounts, what's LinuxMCE's problem?
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 04:03:12 pm
Zaerc

Sorry to hear about the spammer problem.  (Although the one that signed off as a chick was entertaining).  Any chance recaptcha could be implemented for new accounts (ideally), or for postings?

http://recaptcha.net/ (http://recaptcha.net/)

Bryce
The registration form when you sign up already has something like that.


Okay.  How about using it with postings then?
I'm sorry, but are you really expecting every member to go through recaptcha for every single post they make?
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 04:07:30 pm
If you figure out a way to do individual exceptions to policy, I would be willing to do whatever I need to do to validate that I am not a spammer.

Thank you,

 M.
Signing up for a real email address somewhere, is that included in "willing to do whatever I need to do" by any chance?
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: uplink on January 07, 2011, 04:10:51 pm
So here goes: A week or two back I was looking for alternatives to CAPTCHA. Keep the CAPTCHA (makes the site look "legit" for the Indian CAPTCHA crackers), and add something that isn't yet standard. Options:

* An extra field that says "What is 2 + 2?" and the user just has to enter 4 in the field.
* An extra field that doesn't use a hardcoded human readable question or equation, but displays it with alternative letters and digits, eg. "What is 2 plus 2?", "What is two + two?", "What is 4 times five?", "What color is a red car?", "Enter the 4rd word of this sentence".

Still thinking on options. Banning the Internet because there are spammers on it isn't an option.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 04:11:26 pm
Dude. Stop for a second. I don't have a "mainstream" ISP. I use whatever others throw at me. What you are saying is that I should step away from this Internet thing because I don't have an alternative e-mail address than @gmail.com

I also checked my calendar to see if it's April Fools already, and it isn't.

If anything, we should change the signup procedure to make it harder for bots. I have some ideas if you want to hear them.
Dude, I'm stopping for a whole month.  Have someone throw you a real email account while they are at it.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: uplink on January 07, 2011, 04:17:41 pm
This just came to mind: Use a MD5 sum of the user's info, and ask the user to provide certain components from it. Characters in certain positions, a range o characters from the string, possibly don't give the positions in progressive order, so characters don't necessarily follow one another in the string (e.g. characters 3, 5, 2).

Quote from: Zaerc
Have someone throw you a real email account while they are at it.

I should tell you right now that I can't get a "real" email account each time you feel like it to "update" the definition of "real email account". If I get an email with BT and the spammers move there, what then? It's suddenly not "real" enough for you so here I am shopping for the next "real for now" email address?

You may as well delete this forum if you enact this policy, 'cause you'll lose most of the real posters.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: MDH1966 on January 07, 2011, 04:20:57 pm
If you figure out a way to do individual exceptions to policy, I would be willing to do whatever I need to do to validate that I am not a spammer.

Thank you,

 M.
Signing up for a real email address somewhere, is that included in "willing to do whatever I need to do" by any chance?

If I could, I would.  If you have any suggestions, I would be glad to see if they are possible.  They only email accounts that I know of that I could just sign up for are hotmail, gmail, or yahoo type accounts.  The "real" email accounts that you refer to usually come from your ISP.  The only one that comes with my ISP is a Google account.  I can't get DSL, Cable, or FIOS.  I can't afford satellite.  The only other option that I know of is dial-up.  And I am not willing to pay for a dial-up account.

Willing to do anything includes going through whatever vetting process that I need to to prove that I am not a spammer. Or doing some sort of verification for each post to show that I am not a bot.

Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 04:28:04 pm
If you figure out a way to do individual exceptions to policy, I would be willing to do whatever I need to do to validate that I am not a spammer.

Thank you,

 M.
Signing up for a real email address somewhere, is that included in "willing to do whatever I need to do" by any chance?

If I could, I would.  If you have any suggestions, I would be glad to see if they are possible.  They only email accounts that I know of that I could just sign up for are hotmail, gmail, or yahoo type accounts.  The "real" email accounts that you refer to usually come from your ISP.  The only one that comes with my ISP is a Google account.  I can't get DSL, Cable, or FIOS.  I can't afford satellite.  The only other option that I know of is dial-up.  And I am not willing to pay for a dial-up account.

Willing to do anything includes going through whatever vetting process that I need to to prove that I am not a spammer. Or doing some sort of verification for each post to show that I am not a bot.


Have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_webmail_providers, there seems to be plenty of choice.  However keep in mind that when you use a free one that domain will probably be blocked as well when it's abused by spammers.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: MDH1966 on January 07, 2011, 04:29:07 pm
I will look at that and see where it takes me...

Thanks for the help
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: bongowongo on January 07, 2011, 04:30:36 pm
Is there no way you can block all of the gmail, hotmail, yahoo accounts as planned, EXCEPT specific ones belonging to purps, brake16, davegravy etc?

My fear is as much for future participants as current participants. Highly skilled developer X hears about LinuxMCE and decides on a whim to come by the forum to ask some general questions about it. Developer X finds he needs to do extra work to get/activate a non-free email account and quickly loses interest in the project specifically because it's a stupid rule that most other projects work without. Banning free email accounts has an arguably greater cost to the project than the spam itself.

Seriously, lots of other projects manage while allowing free email accounts, what's LinuxMCE's problem?


LinuxMCE's problem is ZAERC. He has decided.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: merkur2k on January 07, 2011, 04:32:21 pm
too many legitimate users do not have access to any other forms of email, and I know there are other less drastic solutions. this is unacceptable.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: MDH1966 on January 07, 2011, 04:37:38 pm
Zaerc,

Your original post stated, "This will start one month from now with the banning of all yahoo, gmail and hotmail related email addresses."

The list of email accounts in "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_webmail_providers" is quite extensive and there looks to be some free or low cost options.  At least they are lower cost than changing my ISP.

At this point, are you only banning the yahoo, gmail, and hotmail addresses?  In otherwords, if I sign up with  an email provider like AOL or something else from the list that you provided, I will be good to go?

Also, if you decide to ban another provider besides the three previously stated, would you alert us and also give a chance to adjust to the new rule?

Thanks,

M.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: brake16 on January 07, 2011, 04:39:49 pm
Quote
I'm sorry, but are you really expecting every member to go through recaptcha for every single post they make?


How about recaptcha for every profile with less than X posts?  1 ought to be sufficient to keep out new spammers, but 3, 5, or 10 would still be reasonable if it were explained, and would block currently registered spammers.

Bryce
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: purps on January 07, 2011, 04:44:25 pm
Why aren't we discussing uplink's ideas? Surely the best and simplest solution?
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: davegravy on January 07, 2011, 04:50:17 pm
I understand there are off-the-shelf captcha systems which are available, but which are high priority for hackers because they are widely used.

If LinuxMCE had a unique captcha system it would likely not be worth a hacker's time to circumvent due to the relatively low levels of activity on the forum.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 04:52:22 pm
Zaerc,

Your original post stated, "This will start one month from now with the banning of all yahoo, gmail and hotmail related email addresses."

The list of email accounts in "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_webmail_providers" is quite extensive and there looks to be some free or low cost options.  At least they are lower cost than changing my ISP.

At this point, are you only banning the yahoo, gmail, and hotmail addresses?  In otherwords, if I sign up with  an email provider like AOL or something else from the list that you provided, I will be good to go?

Also, if you decide to ban another provider besides the three previously stated, would you alert us and also give a chance to adjust to the new rule?

Thanks,

M.
Only the domains giving out free email accounts (to spammers) are at risk.  Looks like AOL hands them out for free, so that would not be a good choice unless they actually manage to keep their users from spamming, which I highly doubt.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: uplink on January 07, 2011, 04:54:50 pm
Another idea: have the new user fill in redundant info, like this: type in the data in the "Name", "Location", "email address" and the number XYZ as one string, with each component separated by a semicolon in a dedicated field.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 04:58:20 pm
...
LinuxMCE's problem is ZAERC.
...
Getting personal now are we?  I wouldn't go there if I were you.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: uplink on January 07, 2011, 05:00:33 pm
...
LinuxMCE's problem is ZAERC.
...
Getting personal now are we?  I wouldn't go there if I were you.

How about if you were me?
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: bongowongo on January 07, 2011, 05:02:35 pm
You make it yourself personal.
By not listening or discussing this, only deciding.
Take responsibilty for your decision.
Apparantly for a lot of people it is a problem, and it is your decision.....it is only logic.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: tekoholic on January 07, 2011, 05:13:00 pm
All I can think of, to say, is, "WOW..."

My domain's email is hosted by google apps.  Will that make mine invalid, as well?  Lots of ISP's are using google for their email, even if with other @domains.  Are they no longer valid?
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 05:15:49 pm
You make it yourself personal.
By not listening or discussing this, only deciding.
Take responsibilty for your decision.
Apparantly for a lot of people it is a problem, and it is your decision.....it is only logic.
Your logic is about as flawed as your "arguments". 
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 05:19:00 pm
All I can think of, to say, is, "WOW..."

My domain's email is hosted by google apps.  Will that make mine invalid, as well?  Lots of ISP's are using google for their email, even if with other @domains.  Are they no longer valid?
No, unless you are openly handing out accounts to spammers for free.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: uplink on January 07, 2011, 05:24:32 pm
You make it yourself personal.
By not listening or discussing this, only deciding.
Take responsibilty for your decision.
Apparantly for a lot of people it is a problem, and it is your decision.....it is only logic.
Your logic is about as flawed as your "arguments". 

I just re-read the thread, and bongo's "flawed" logic stands, and so do his arguments: you did take a decision by yourself, you are ignoring all sane replies. I am effectively talking to myself, you can't deny that.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 05:25:07 pm
...
LinuxMCE's problem is ZAERC.
...
Getting personal now are we?  I wouldn't go there if I were you.

How about if you were me?
Then I would, as I'm really, really afraid of you, honest!!   ::)
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 05:26:21 pm
You make it yourself personal.
By not listening or discussing this, only deciding.
Take responsibilty for your decision.
Apparantly for a lot of people it is a problem, and it is your decision.....it is only logic.
Your logic is about as flawed as your "arguments". 

I just re-read the thread, and bongo's "flawed" logic stands, and so do his arguments: you did take a decision by yourself, you are ignoring all sane replies. I am effectively talking to myself, you can't deny that.
Yeah sorry for ignoring people that are obviously looking for a fight like yourself.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: uplink on January 07, 2011, 05:29:54 pm
You make it yourself personal.
By not listening or discussing this, only deciding.
Take responsibilty for your decision.
Apparantly for a lot of people it is a problem, and it is your decision.....it is only logic.
Your logic is about as flawed as your "arguments". 

I just re-read the thread, and bongo's "flawed" logic stands, and so do his arguments: you did take a decision by yourself, you are ignoring all sane replies. I am effectively talking to myself, you can't deny that.
Yeah sorry for ignoring people that are obviously looking for a fight like yourself.


I'm not looking for a fight, but I'll fight if I have to. And as far as I can tell, I have to.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: Zaerc on January 07, 2011, 05:41:43 pm
You make it yourself personal.
By not listening or discussing this, only deciding.
Take responsibilty for your decision.
Apparantly for a lot of people it is a problem, and it is your decision.....it is only logic.
Your logic is about as flawed as your "arguments". 

I just re-read the thread, and bongo's "flawed" logic stands, and so do his arguments: you did take a decision by yourself, you are ignoring all sane replies. I am effectively talking to myself, you can't deny that.
Yeah sorry for ignoring people that are obviously looking for a fight like yourself.


I'm not looking for a fight, but I'll fight if I have to. And as far as I can tell, I have to.
Judging from the aggressive tone, you clearly are.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: davegravy on January 07, 2011, 05:50:12 pm
All that can be hoped is that if enough people voice their discontent that they may reconsider based on the fact that they need the support of others.

Sadly it's looking more and more like this project has been usurped from the community by a few.
Title: Re: *WARNING* IMPORTANT MESSAGE for all people using "free email" accounts.
Post by: posde on January 07, 2011, 06:15:05 pm
LOCKED FOR NOW WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS