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Title: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: mythtified on December 06, 2010, 08:45:34 pm
I read this today:  Best regards Peer Oliver Schmidt Release Manager LinuxMCE Ohhhh, and one more thing: Preliminary support 1004 is available. This is more than bleeding edge. svn download the new-installer on a 1004 install, and see what happens.

I went to svn.linuxmce.org/svn and did not find the installer.  Is there a different address?

Thx
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: phenigma on December 06, 2010, 09:40:30 pm
Read: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/LinuxMCE-1004_alpha
Install: http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Installing_1004

J.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: aico on December 06, 2010, 09:56:48 pm
Hi,

will there be a way to do a update from LinuxMCE 8.10 to 10.04?

Regards
Johannes
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: mythtified on December 06, 2010, 10:44:22 pm
Hi,

will there be a way to do a update from LinuxMCE 8.10 to 10.04?

Regards
Johannes

I think you may be jumping the gun a bit.  This is not ready for prime time and should not expect a way to update between the two versions yet.

Thx J. for the info.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: bongowongo on December 06, 2010, 11:54:58 pm
We are all jumping the gun, it is true
I made those two wiki pages

Stay with the 0810 beta.
The dev's are working hard on it

As a sidetracked spinoff they are doing 1004
which needs some specific help and troubleshooting to let it work, that is what the wiki is for, it will not work for my mere mortals ;).

So please bear with us.
You can help by transfering all your assets to linuxmce, thank you for your patience.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: tschak909 on December 07, 2010, 12:13:37 am
Okay guys,

Right now, we've been updating the database, the installer scripts, and our builder scripts to generate packages that would be installed on top of Ubuntu 10.04.

However, this isn't all we have to do.

It's only the beginning.

RIght now, we are going through the discovery process to see what breaks when we try to install these packages onto 10.04. This isn't 'if' ... It's 'what' will break, and how.

Possy is working with a few brave souls, to get the necessary packages built so that they can do the very process described above. These individuals are experienced enough with the system  that they are able to accurately report back any issues they come across, and we systematically fix them...and we haven't gotten to the big issues that we KNOW we'll need to tackle, the big elephant in the room being the distribution upgrade to Asterisk 1.6, which has wildly different APIs to 1.4, and we already know that we will need to completely re-engineer our dial plans, and Asterisk DCE device to work with the many changes that the Asterisk people have made (anyone who can help us with this, please step up.)

We had decided to try and get ALL the pending bugs off our plate, for 0810 before declaring release. However; 0810's change to EOL caused us to quickly re-examine this decision. We will not base any more releases on top of October interims any more. We will ONLY build atop LTS releases. Period. End of story. from now on.

When we have a complete enough system functioning and passing our basic regressions, we will make an announcement that others should try it, not before.

For those that DO try to install atop 1004 at this time, you are on your own. We have enough on our hands at the moment doing dev work, and working with our current pool of testers, we simply can't help someone who does not know enough to help themselves at this point.

Thanks for your patience, more news to follow.
-Thom
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: mythtified on December 07, 2010, 01:22:46 am
Completely understood.  I am not going to install over top of my working 810 machine on a whim.  I have the extra hardware and am merely curious.  I look forward to the beta.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: theteju on December 07, 2010, 05:06:25 am
the big elephant in the room being the distribution upgrade to Asterisk 1.6, which has wildly different APIs to 1.4, and we already know that we will need to completely re-engineer our dial plans, and Asterisk DCE device to work with the many changes that the Asterisk people have made (anyone who can help us with this, please step up.)
Thanks for your patience, more news to follow.
-Thom

Probably quite immature to comment on here, But just a quick question, are we going to use Asterisk 1.6 or 1.8?

just curious.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: Enigmus on December 07, 2010, 10:00:41 pm
Agreed, Asterisk 1.8 has some nice features of which the most interesting is Google Voice interoperability.  Since it appears that LMCE is upgrading Asterisk anyway, why not 1.8?
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: tschak909 on December 07, 2010, 10:03:55 pm
Enigmus, we will upgrade to whatever the upstream version of Asterisk is in the distribution repository. Period.

Instead of people just talking, why don't some of you help us port the dial plans and Asterisk DCE device to 1.6?

-Thom
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: bongowongo on December 07, 2010, 11:08:13 pm
TSCHAK
Could you give a more elaborate description, because I do not know what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: posde on December 08, 2010, 07:46:38 am
Bongo,

what Thom is trying to tell is, that we stick with the Asterisk version that comes with 1004.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: Enigmus on December 08, 2010, 04:27:59 pm
Thom,

That's a valid deployment strategy. I wasn't attacking, just suggesting.  I apologize if I did not frame my comments to convey that appropriately.  I am not a developer and do not have the time, at present, to become so.  I'm sorry I can not help in that area.  I would appreciate your understanding of my position rather then attacking me for not providing development assistance.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: mythtified on December 09, 2010, 04:05:57 am
Would you be interested in text files that captured the output of my failed attempt at installing lmce over 10.04?  I am not asking for help.  I am just trying to pass on info if you want it.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: nite_man on December 09, 2010, 03:31:08 pm
Good news! Will try it definitely. But without spamming you, guys, by help requests :)
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: posde on December 10, 2010, 10:19:49 am
Would you be interested in text files that captured the output of my failed attempt at installing lmce over 10.04?  I am not asking for help.  I am just trying to pass on info if you want it.

Not really. We've got tons of logs of failed attempts ourselves atm :) But feel free to come by in the irc -devel channel, and work with us by testing the stuff over and over, and giving live feedback.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: locutus on December 12, 2010, 12:58:31 am
I just want to make sure im on the same page as everyone else. In Thom's first post in this thread he said that 1004 would be build on top of ubuntu, but the wiki states kubuntu. I was just wanted to know, who is correct?
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: tschak909 on December 12, 2010, 02:40:04 am
it's Kubuntu.

-Thom
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: mythtified on December 12, 2010, 06:20:15 am
Would you be interested in text files that captured the output of my failed attempt at installing lmce over 10.04?  I am not asking for help.  I am just trying to pass on info if you want it.

Not really. We've got tons of logs of failed attempts ourselves atm :) But feel free to come by in the irc -devel channel, and work with us by testing the stuff over and over, and giving live feedback.

When do you usually get together to do this?
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: posde on December 16, 2010, 03:26:10 pm
24/7 ;)
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: mythtified on December 16, 2010, 03:31:04 pm
I have been in there a few times, last night was the latest, and have not seen much talk about it.  Given the nature of some of the posts in this thread I was hesitant to ask how it was going.  I was in linuxmce and linuxmce-dev.  So I guess I will risk asking about testing next time I am in.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: rperre on December 17, 2010, 07:55:40 pm
 mythified, i think you meant to say #linuxmce-devel just wanted to make sure you have the right channel

Mandingo, possy, Tschak are all people you can talk too when testing.

Richard
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: mythtified on December 17, 2010, 08:45:21 pm
Yes.  I was too lazy to make sure of the name when I typed it.  I was hoping that getting close was good enough. 

Quote
Mandingo, possy, Tschak are all people you can talk too when testing.

I am sorry but I had expected an on going conversation about the testing in that channel.  Given the nature of comments about not giving help if someone needed it I did not want to intrude unless there was something actually being discussed.  Next time I am on I will make sure my test computer is set up and ready to discuss.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: MANDINGO on December 18, 2010, 03:07:34 am
Myth dont fret it is being worked on, as of right now we are working out the installation issues..
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: mythtified on December 18, 2010, 04:42:38 am
Sorry don't mean to fret.  just want to help if i can.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: valent on January 04, 2011, 03:41:02 pm
Here is what I have done so far:

* Installed Kubuntu 10.04.01
* updated Kubuntu with all updated packages
* installed LinuxMCE via provided scripts.

Installation failed during first time because some packaged didn't download. 2nd try passed without any issues.

Postinstall passed without issues.

Now I rebooted and I get to KDE desktop but few seconds later machine goes into restart like I clicked restart button in KDE.

So it is a endless loop of booting and restarting.

Do you maybe need some other feedback and could I provide some info that would be helpful for fixing this issue if others also experience it?

Cheers,
Valent.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: mythtified on January 04, 2011, 03:56:43 pm
I have a trac ticket on that and I know why but am not sure how to fix.  I need to get with mandingo and explain to him.
Thx for confirming this.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: DragonK on January 04, 2011, 07:01:32 pm
Stupid question......

/etc/inittab whats the runlevel set to? I know if its set to "6" the machine would reboot all the time.

Karel
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: mythtified on January 04, 2011, 08:08:41 pm
it is not the runlevel.  There is a couple of variables that when anded together will cause a true and reboot.  The problem is when the preferred driver is compared to the installed driver in a function in nvidia-install.sh they don't match as they should once the preferred driver installs.  I know this is the case since I changed a variable value in the function and stopped it from rebooting.  I got AVWizard and setup wizard to run and then the orbiter finally came up running.

So a change has to be made in how the name of the preferred driver is returned so that a match is eventually gotten.  I can see the result in the nvidia-install.log file.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: valent on January 04, 2011, 08:35:35 pm
it is not the runlevel.  There is a couple of variables that when anded together will cause a true and reboot.  The problem is when the preferred driver is compared to the installed driver in a function in nvidia-install.sh they don't match as they should once the preferred driver installs.  I know this is the case since I changed a variable value in the function and stopped it from rebooting.  I got AVWizard and setup wizard to run and then the orbiter finally came up running.

So a change has to be made in how the name of the preferred driver is returned so that a match is eventually gotten.  I can see the result in the nvidia-install.log file.

Which variable you changed? I would like to continue testing 10.04 so please share info on how to stop rebooting it.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: mythtified on January 04, 2011, 11:52:07 pm
Read through my ticket.

http://svn.linuxmce.org/trac.cgi/ticket/926 (http://svn.linuxmce.org/trac.cgi/ticket/926)

It is located in a function called installCorrectNvidiaDriver() within nvidia-install.sh

Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: MDH1966 on January 13, 2011, 02:05:40 am
This is interesting.  I was reading through the wiki and forum trying to prepare myself for building a LMCE 0810 machine in the next few weeks.  I was trying to familiarize myself with some if the issues and fixes that people have been having so I can go into this somewhat educated.  I noticed that some of the issues had to do with Ubuntu 8.10 reaching its end of life and the repositories moved.  Then I started wondering, why isn't LMCE aligned with the LTS releases?  That way you get three years of support for the distribution so you have more time to develop the package.  Now I am not a developer, I don't even play one on TV so this is in no way an indictment on the developers.  I am also not looking for a turn-key system.  I am a DIY tinkerer; that is one reason I am drawn to LMCE.  I look forward to the challenge; hopefully, I will learn enough to start contributing something.  Then I stumbled accross this thread.  Now I have to ask, is one of the reasons that 10.04 was selected because is brings LMCE in line with the LTS releases from Ubuntu?

Thanks for your time,

M.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: tschak909 on January 13, 2011, 02:07:34 am
Yes. There's a whole list of things that happened, reasons things were done before we got to this point...if you really want to know, they're documented all over the forum...but...yes.. the reason we are doing 10.04, is to push us in line with the LTS releases.

-Thom
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: MDH1966 on January 13, 2011, 02:10:36 am
Cool...I will dig some more and see what I find.

Thanks,

M.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: avajon on January 13, 2011, 07:07:26 am
stupid question: why isn't there a new branch in svn for the 10.04 version? Wouldn't it be easier with a new branch?
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: tschak909 on January 13, 2011, 07:09:09 am
Because right now, we are trying to unify some things and try to make the transitions easier for future versions, by making things run on 0810 and 1004 simultaneously.

Eventually this branch will be juxtaposed to trunk.

-Thom
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: avajon on January 13, 2011, 07:52:59 am
i understand. this is a very good idea...  ;)
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: cybernard on October 04, 2011, 04:48:57 pm
FYI:  I just installed the 10.04 and except for the video card drivers everything went fine.

I have an NVIDIA card and I had to comment out the video card drivers loaded in the script, and then it installed just fine.

Also bluetooth drivers/software is not new enough to bond to my motorola atrix phone.
I have another linux install on another pc(non-linuxmce) with newer drivers and it bonds just fine.
Version 4.96 is current, but it worked with 4.88
LinuxMCE fails to "ask for" or display a code to type in the phone to get a successful bonding.
Tried all the usually choices: 0000,00000,1234, and etc
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: tschak909 on October 04, 2011, 06:48:07 pm
cybernard, can you please list all the hardware (with models, and other details), in your system?

Also, there are very few phones anymore that support the mobile orbiter software. It's Symbian, old versions of Windows Phone, and J2ME based devices which have CLDC1.1/MIDP2.0 with JSR082 (Bluetooth) capabilities in the J2ME engine.

This situation will change when qOrbiter is ready for general testing.

-Thom
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: coley on November 09, 2011, 06:25:27 pm
I noticed slimserver has changed their package name again!
On 10.04 (lucid) the package is now called logitechmediaserver.
I can change the package name for SlimDevices Slim Server (#291) for the lucid dependency.
How do I get it checked in?
I'm assuming trac tkt against 10.04 then stick that # in my sqlcvs diff check in?

thanks
-Coley.

p.s. is this the right thread to keep track of this kind of info? haven't been on IRC recently so don't know if there is a specific place.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: coley on November 10, 2011, 03:27:45 pm
trac ticket created for slimserver issue.
http://svn.linuxmce.org/trac.cgi/ticket/1326

-Coley.

p.s. anon sqlCVS checkin done for this change with above Trac#
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: posde on November 10, 2011, 03:54:07 pm
Next time, please note the batch id of your sqlCVS checkin by going to schema.linuxmce.org and taking a look at your negative batch number. And put that information into the trac ticket. Without foxi's change to sqlCVS which makes announcements to -devel irc channel, it would not have been noted.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: coley on November 10, 2011, 04:39:58 pm
Ok will do.

BTW schema.linuxmce.org just gets me an apache landing page.
I found the id going to http://www.linuxmce.org/sqlCVS/?site=batch/view I assume they should both be looking at the same info.

for completeness added batch id to trac#

-Coley.

Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: posde on November 10, 2011, 08:14:37 pm
thanks coley.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: maverick0815 on November 14, 2011, 12:00:03 pm
I'm taking 1004 for a testdrive at home. Installation went very nicely, aside from asterisk not picking up (Foxi352 got the ticket already),
I noticed artefacts appearing after watching TV for a while, getting out of mythtv, running the screensaver or watching a video, then they appear. Reboot of the MD fixes that. Nvidia drivers 260 are installed.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: Kezza on November 14, 2011, 09:20:37 pm
I'm taking 1004 for a testdrive at home. Installation went very nicely, aside from asterisk not picking up (Foxi352 got the ticket already),
I noticed artefacts appearing after watching TV for a while, getting out of mythtv, running the screensaver or watching a video, then they appear. Reboot of the MD fixes that. Nvidia drivers 260 are installed.

Sounds like issue I was having, after some searching I found out my card (GT430) had issues with 260 driver (I think a few other cards do as well). Upgrading to 285.05.09 which fixed all artifact issues for me.
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: seth on November 15, 2011, 02:22:26 pm
Quote
I noticed artefacts appearing after watching TV for a while, getting out of mythtv, running the screensaver or watching a video, then they appear. Reboot of the MD fixes that. Nvidia drivers 260 are installed.

I noticed this as well running opengl or vdpau for the Media Director under the Hardware Acceleration option.

Changing this to "auto" resolved the issue. I am running 10.04 using the nVidia graphics on my Zotac ION MD. It uses the GeForce 9400M graphics chip.

After setting the acceleration to "auto" and rebooting the MD, the artifacting went away.

Perhaps this may help. I am running stock 10.04 nVidia drivers, I believe it is 260.

Best regards,

Seth
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: maverick0815 on November 20, 2011, 11:48:26 am
I updated the drivers to 285 and everything plays nicely, no more artifacts :-)
Title: Re: Preliminary 10.04
Post by: maverick0815 on November 22, 2011, 05:32:59 pm
I just stumlbed over the last update...especially with nvidia-installer.sh. I forgot to clear it out, before rebooting after the update, so nvidia 260 is back. So I was wondering...since there seem to be a number of people having problems with the 260 drivers...are there any plans to have the 285 installed by default, instead of the 260s?