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Title: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 09, 2010, 02:49:54 pm
Hi all,

If your looking at Web Orbiter 2.0 on your system we'd love to hear what devices your using it with and what experiences you have with these devices. Please post here or even better add your experiences/new devices to the bottom of the Wiki page below;

http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0 (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0)

We'd love to see the widest possible list of devices on the Wiki so please let us know what your using Web Orbiter 2.0 on!

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: fastie81 on July 09, 2010, 11:25:33 pm
Hi Andrew

I am playing with this now but for some reason my page does not want to load.
I am have got my old one working and that looks ok. but on my iphone it is not happy..
for some reason it keeps loading. I can see on the top next to my wireless the loading circle keeps coming up.
from what I understand of you post it will only look for changes? Is this what it does?
I am not sure I got this setup correctly but I am sure you tell me if I am wrong..
Chris
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: davegravy on July 10, 2010, 02:42:04 am
Very happy so far. One thing I am finding on my iPhone 3GS that occassionally certain sections of the page do not load (and are left black). Most often it is the "Play" button in the bottom left after selecting a movie or audio file. It seems to be completely sporadic.

Looking forward to the persistent login feature that chrisbirkinshaw volunteered to code. That would be the icing on the cake! 
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 10, 2010, 07:51:18 am
Hi Andrew

I am playing with this now but for some reason my page does not want to load.
I am have got my old one working and that looks ok. but on my iphone it is not happy..
for some reason it keeps loading. I can see on the top next to my wireless the loading circle keeps coming up.
from what I understand of you post it will only look for changes? Is this what it does?
I am not sure I got this setup correctly but I am sure you tell me if I am wrong..
Chris


Check that each of your Web Orbiters has a different 'Listen Port' set in its Device Data. Then do a 'Full Regen' from Wizard-Orbiters (use the 'Full Regen' for the specific Orbiter your working on)...then a reload router.

See if that fixes things for you.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: gonesurfing on July 10, 2010, 10:11:36 am
HI
i have just set it up to run on a eken m003 (iped which cost me just over $100) the os is android 1.6 and it seems to be working very well , it still however refreshes the page is there any way to slow the page refresh down ?
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 10, 2010, 10:54:10 am
HI
i have just set it up to run on a eken m003 (iped which cost me just over $100) the os is android 1.6 and it seems to be working very well , it still however refreshes the page is there any way to slow the page refresh down ?

If you have 5 sec refreshes then your not running Web Orbiter 2.0 I'm afraid. Make sure you have the latest updates for 810.

The only situations where the screen will update is if something needs to be displayed in the current Orbiter menu screen or if you click/touch on a menu button The following menu's will typically generate some updates - camera views (as the cameras refresh), Floor Plan views (if a device or piece of media is being controlled by someone else in the house), Watching DVD and the DVD on screen menu is being displayed or at any time when a system alert is momentarily displayed in the top left hand corner of the Orbiter window. In all other situations the Orbiter will not refresh the display at all

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: gonesurfing on July 11, 2010, 04:01:15 am
hi
thanks Andrew for the tip,okay i have deleted the weborbiter then run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade reinstalled the weborbiter 2.0 as per the wikl and have it running on the eken m003 (iped) and its excellent
screen resolution is set at 480p
many thanks steve
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Techstyle on July 11, 2010, 08:01:17 am
Totallymaxed,

I tried it on my XDAIIi but the buttons don't work, like nothing is selectable. you tap on the screen with the stylus and nothing happens.  The exit button (grey one) works.

It would be good if it worked well on the XDAIIi as you could run SJphone (sip Phone client)in the background and switch between the two.  With the Win CE orbiter when the phone rings the orbiter closes and you have to re start it.

Gonesurfing,

does the M003 have a microphone or mic socket?  I would be interested to see if the sipdroid 'app' could be setup, a 'Generic SIP Phone' added to LMCE and the unit used as a phone as well as an orbiter
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 11, 2010, 09:23:30 am
Totallymaxed,

I tried it on my XDAIIi but the buttons don't work, like nothing is selectable. you tap on the screen with the stylus and nothing happens.  The exit button (grey one) works.

It would be good if it worked well on the XDAIIi as you could run SJphone (sip Phone client)in the background and switch between the two.  With the Win CE orbiter when the phone rings the orbiter closes and you have to re start it.

Gonesurfing,

does the M003 have a microphone or mic socket?  I would be interested to see if the sipdroid 'app' could be setup, a 'Generic SIP Phone' added to LinuxMCE and the unit used as a phone as well as an orbiter

So the problem is only affecting the control buttons at the bottom left of the Orbiter screen?

With many WinCE devices we have found that the javascript browser support is weak - that may be the problem. What version of WinCE are you running?

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Techstyle on July 11, 2010, 05:43:21 pm
No, the buttons at the bottom, outside the orbiter - home, back refresh and exit - all work.  None of the orbiter buttons work - so I cannot select TV or Video or Audio etc.

Windows Mobile 2003 SE is the software version
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 11, 2010, 07:23:10 pm
No, the buttons at the bottom, outside the orbiter - home, back refresh and exit - all work.  None of the orbiter buttons work - so I cannot select TV or Video or Audio etc.

Windows Mobile 2003 SE is the software version

Well its almost certainly lack of support for some of the Javascript features we need for Web Orbiter 2.0. We'll see what we can do to work around this with the browser based version. We also have a non browser based 'Un-Web Orbiter' app in development. This is being developed on a WinCE based in-wall panel so this might be a possible solution for you. Essentially in Web Orbiter 2.0 we are using the browser to host a Javascript app... the browser is really not being used for much at all. The WinCE app implements a socket interface to proxy_orbiter, displays the png screen images and manages the user interaction with the touch screen. So give me a few days to see what can be done.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Beeker on July 13, 2010, 02:14:01 pm
Hi Andrew,
I have just done an update & upgrade to 810 and was previously using the web orbiter, do I need to delete that device and recreate it to be able to use web orbiter 2.0. Also how do I tell that I do have 2.0 as I followed the wiki instructions for the iphone and have done a full regen and reload and both web devices one being a laptop and the other a iphone 3GS still refresh every 5 sec's.

The orbiter on the iphone is a postage stamp on the screen even though I set the size as 320 x 480

Any help is much appreciated

Cheers
Bruce
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 13, 2010, 02:48:01 pm
Hi Andrew,
I have just done an update & upgrade to 810 and was previously using the web orbiter, do I need to delete that device and recreate it to be able to use web orbiter 2.0. Also how do I tell that I do have 2.0 as I followed the wiki instructions for the iphone and have done a full regen and reload and both web devices one being a laptop and the other a iphone 3GS still refresh every 5 sec's.

The orbiter on the iphone is a postage stamp on the screen even though I set the size as 320 x 480

Any help is much appreciated

Cheers
Bruce

I would recommend deleting your existing Web Orbiters and re-create them following the instructions on the new Wiki page here; http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0#Devices_that_have_been_tested_with_Web_orbiter_2.0 (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0#Devices_that_have_been_tested_with_Web_orbiter_2.0)

If your system has updated correctly then you should see the iPhone screen resolution in Wizard-Orbiters ie '480x320 (iPhone)'.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Beeker on July 13, 2010, 03:00:52 pm
Hi Andrew,
I will delete both devices again and do a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and try re creating the devices again, I did originally use the wiki instructions that you mentioned and I have checked the /var/www/lmce-admin and I am only seeing weborbiter.php and a lot of other files not what is listed as per below in the wiki.

So I assume that because all the files that are listed in the wiki are not in the /var/www/lmce-admin/ folder then web orbiter 2.0 has not been installed yet. This is really strange as when I did the update it was over 300mb so I will try again unless you think I should try something else



Thanks and regards
Bruce


/var/www/lmce-admin/

You will see the following Web Orbiter related files (there are many other unrelated files in this directory too);

weborbiter_command.php
weborbiter_image.php
weborbiter.php

Look in;

/var/www/lmce-admin/weborbiter

You should see the following files;

IT.php         
jquery.min.js 
jquery.timers.js
login.html
waiting.gif
weborbiter.css
weborbiter.html
weborbiter.js
weborbiter_select.html
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Beeker on July 13, 2010, 03:06:18 pm
Hi Andrew,
Not sure if this is relevant I installed iOrbiter last week so I am not sure if this is causing an issue with web orbiter 2.0

Regards
Bruce
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 13, 2010, 04:54:39 pm
Hi Andrew,
Not sure if this is relevant I installed iOrbiter last week so I am not sure if this is causing an issue with web orbiter 2.0

Regards
Bruce

iOrbiter should have no affect. Other people seem to have to got Web Orbiter 2.0 ok after updating their installations so i would guess the problem is specific to your install. Did you see the other expected fixes/changes after the update?

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: MarcoZan on July 14, 2010, 09:05:40 am
Hi Andrew
a little OT question: have you tested web orbiter 2.0 also with Nokia S60 phones browser? Or are there some known reasons why web orbiter 2.0 could/could not work with those devices?
Sorry to ask you this, but at the moment I cannot test myself as I'm running LMCE 7.10.
A migration to 8.10 is under planning but for several "environmental" reasons it won't be easy, so it is not going to happen shortly.
Knowing something about the possible use of new web orbiter on currently used device may surely help me to refine the roadmap towards the final stage.

TIA
Marco
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 14, 2010, 11:08:19 am
Hi Andrew
a little OT question: have you tested web orbiter 2.0 also with Nokia S60 phones browser? Or are there some known reasons why web orbiter 2.0 could/could not work with those devices?
Sorry to ask you this, but at the moment I cannot test myself as I'm running LinuxMCE 7.10.
A migration to 8.10 is under planning but for several "environmental" reasons it won't be easy, so it is not going to happen shortly.
Knowing something about the possible use of new web orbiter on currently used device may surely help me to refine the roadmap towards the final stage.

TIA
Marco

Hi Marco,

Well ironically all our development of Web Orbiter 2.0 is happening under 0710 as our Cascade & Dianemo products are based on that release...so you could grab a copy from svn and using under 0710 (you'd have to re-compile proxy_orbiter under 0710 bu thats about it) :-)

We have not tested Web Orbiter 2.0 on any S60 mobile browsers. However as long as they support javascript then you have a good chance of success.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: gonesurfing on July 14, 2010, 12:14:03 pm
hi
it runs on the nokia n900
 
Andrew  i am not sure if the eken m003 (iped) has got a mic it has a usb and a 3.5 jack for head phones ,I have downloaded sipdriod to it but i have'nt played with the freepbx in lmce so it might take some time to try and config is there anything you would like me to try?
I was surprised to see it has a samba client and was able to stream my music to it but no video as it did not support the code
steve   
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 14, 2010, 01:18:18 pm
hi
it runs on the nokia n900
 
Andrew  i am not sure if the eken m003 (iped) has got a mic it has a usb and a 3.5 jack for head phones ,I have downloaded sipdriod to it but i have'nt played with the freepbx in LinuxMCE so it might take some time to try and config is there anything you would like me to try?
I was surprised to see it has a samba client and was able to stream my music to it but no video as it did not support the code
steve   

Thanks for the feedback on the N900.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: coley on July 14, 2010, 04:12:02 pm
hey steve - what res do you have the WebOrbiter 2.0 set on the n900?
Do you have MicroB set to open in full screen?
Does the full-screen toggle button not get in the way of the lower right hand corner orbiter buttons?

-Coley.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Techstyle on July 14, 2010, 04:24:08 pm
i am not sure if the eken m003 (iped) has got a mic it has a usb and a 3.5 jack for head phones ,I have downloaded sipdriod to it but i have'nt played with the freepbx in LinuxMCE so it might take some time to try and config is there anything you would like me to try?  

you shouldn't need to visit FreePBX to set this up, follow the instructions in the 'LMCE Setup' part of the page below:

http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/EP-636_SIP_Phone#LMCE_Setup (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/EP-636_SIP_Phone#LMCE_Setup)

Then in SipDroid setup (which I am not familiar with) there should be something like SIP Registrar that you would set to the Core IP address (192.168.80.1 by default) then the User name or Auth ID would be the extension assigned in the LMCE setup above, as would the password - although there was some work being done to secure the passwords so this may have changed - try it though.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Beeker on July 15, 2010, 05:44:39 am
Hi Andrew
Attached is a print screen after my most recent update and a print screen of the /var/www/lmce-admin/ after the update as you can see from the update txt file there are errors at the end I just can't seem to resolve. I have modified the Pin priority to 500 as per other post of update issues,  any help would be very much appreciated.....stuck in a rut

Cheers
Bruce
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: posde on July 15, 2010, 08:19:48 am
Beeker,

could you keep your problem post to a single thread, and not post it in multiple threads, please.

Thanks.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Beeker on July 15, 2010, 08:48:21 am
No problems I meant to post in the other one, sorry about that

Beeker
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: gonesurfing on July 15, 2010, 09:54:31 am
Hi coley
i set the screen size to the nokia n770 and yes the screen toggle is at the bottom right corner but the orbiter button can still be used,i left Microb set at default
andrew thanks for the link i will try it at the weekend
steve
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Beeker on July 16, 2010, 05:10:28 am
Hi Andrew,
Weborbiter 2.0 runs fantastic on my iPhone 3GS running OS4, since I got the updates to work, just need to log another post as now the md won't play any video files since doing all the updates.

Well done

Cheers
Bruce
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: huh on July 16, 2010, 07:03:14 am
Weborbiter 2.0 runs fantastic on my iPhone 3GS running OS4

I am having a different experience with my 3GS with OS4- although it's very possible I'm doing something wrong.  I have mine set to the 480x320 (Iphone) size and Normal Horizontal (3:4).  The picture shows up great- no flashing, quick updates, not 5 second reloads, etc and I get the super tux when it's updating, so I know I'm running Weborbiter 2.0.

I am having trouble when I try to click the buttons at either the far right or at the bottom.  It seems like the time I hold the button down changes where the cursor would be on the screen.  Imagine the cursor starting in the top left hand corner and having to move across and/or down the page to get to the button you want to select.  If you were to not move the cursor all the way to the desired button (or in my case not hold the button down long enough) then an intermediate button is pressed.  E.g. as I click on "More" from the main UI1 screen, I am often displayed the phone book screen, "Power" gets me to Dial Direct, "Sleeping menu" to "Speed Dial", etc.  Sould add that the same thing happens on my wifes 3GS as well.

New weborbiter is a great addition- big thanks to Uplink and Andrew.



  
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Beeker on July 16, 2010, 08:08:55 am
Hi Andrew,
After another test of my iPhone the same thing is happening to me it's giving the effect of a touch screen that needs calibration, you one key and you get a different action

Bruce
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 16, 2010, 09:50:40 am
Hi Andrew,
After another test of my iPhone the same thing is happening to me it's giving the effect of a touch screen that needs calibration, you one key and you get a different action

Bruce

We updated WO2.0 yesterday afternoon and these should fix your problems and improve performance too. I think those fixes are in last nights build but are not in the the repos as of yet this morning... I am sure they will make it into the repos later today. Wait until later and then do an update to get them as usual.

All the best


Andrew

PS Repos has been updated now
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 16, 2010, 10:07:34 am
Hi Andrew,
After another test of my iPhone the same thing is happening to me it's giving the effect of a touch screen that needs calibration, you one key and you get a different action

Bruce

There is an update available that should fix this problem - update your system and then re-test your Web Orbiter.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Beeker on July 16, 2010, 10:46:26 am
Hi Andrew,
Thanks for the tip I have done an upgrade & update and tested it but unfortunately nothing changed so I am guessing we might have to do a reboot or regen........could you please advise.

Thanks and regards,
Bruce
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: coley on July 16, 2010, 01:51:07 pm
Are there icons available for the Weborbiter 2.0?

I grabbed the icon from the Windows orbiter src, popped in the weborbiter dir and updated weborbiter.html to use it.
Viola it appears on the tab of the browser or in my case the corner of the chrome shortcut.

Are there larger dimension ico files available? as the shortcut on the desktop doesn't use the 16x16 one, or scales it very badly.

thx
-Coley.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: rndinokc on July 17, 2010, 01:36:16 am
Got weborbiter 2.0 working on the IPAD but with the following problems.  It seems that you have to scroll down to access the lower row of buttons and when you do they dont seem to work.  I used to 1024x768 resolution but it seems too large for the screen.  I guess the next thing would be to decrease the height some.  Any ideas?
Randy
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 17, 2010, 11:26:48 am
Got weborbiter 2.0 working on the IPAD but with the following problems.  It seems that you have to scroll down to access the lower row of buttons and when you do they dont seem to work.  I used to 1024x768 resolution but it seems too large for the screen.  I guess the next thing would be to decrease the height some.  Any ideas?
Randy

Are you referring to the 'Home, Back, Refresh, Exit, Logout' buttons along the bottom edge of the Orbiter screen?

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 17, 2010, 11:29:05 am
Are there icons available for the Weborbiter 2.0?

I grabbed the icon from the Windows orbiter src, popped in the weborbiter dir and updated weborbiter.html to use it.
Viola it appears on the tab of the browser or in my case the corner of the chrome shortcut.

Are there larger dimension ico files available? as the shortcut on the desktop doesn't use the 16x16 one, or scales it very badly.

thx
-Coley.

Thats a good point...why dont you look at making some larger ico files?

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: coley on July 17, 2010, 12:15:37 pm
Are there icons available for the Weborbiter 2.0?

I grabbed the icon from the Windows orbiter src, popped in the weborbiter dir and updated weborbiter.html to use it.
Viola it appears on the tab of the browser or in my case the corner of the chrome shortcut.

Are there larger dimension ico files available? as the shortcut on the desktop doesn't use the 16x16 one, or scales it very badly.

thx
-Coley.

Thats a good point...why dont you look at making some larger ico files?

Andrew
will check into that. Just wanted to see if any existed first.

-Coley.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: RayBe on July 17, 2010, 12:59:37 pm
hi Andrew,

got the web orbiter 2.0 running on my MacBook 13" and i am loving it, really responsive!
how do i get it to run fullscreen, got the resolution at 1280x800?

thanks a lot,
Raymond
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 17, 2010, 01:44:11 pm
hi Andrew,

got the web orbiter 2.0 running on my MacBook 13" and i am loving it, really responsive!
how do i get it to run fullscreen, got the resolution at 1280x800?

thanks a lot,
Raymond

You need to do two things - choose a resolution in Web Admin's Wizard-Orbiters page for your Web Orbiter that is close to or exactly matches (best option) your display resolution & do a regen. Then you need to set your browser up to run full screen ie hide the menu bar and other screen controls etc. I believe the short cut for toogling full screen on off in desktop Safari is apple + Enter.

I typically run my Web Orbiters in Chrome and all I do is hit F11 and that will hide/un-hide all of the UI apart from the page itself...so as long as you have set a resolution for your Orbiter that fills your screen your in business.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Techstyle on July 17, 2010, 06:56:44 pm
Andrew,

I have it working on a Dell Latitude D620 with both Windows XP and Ubuntu 9.10 netbook edition.

One comment/comparison to the Windows dedicated orbiter is that when you are on the computing remote the laptop Keyboard can be used with the dedicated Win orbiter but not with the Web orbiter 2.0.  with the web orbiter 2.0 you have to use the onscreen keyboard.  Just an observation.  apart from that it works fine.  Thanks
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 17, 2010, 07:03:32 pm
Andrew,

I have it working on a Dell Latitude D620 with both Windows XP and Ubuntu 9.10 netbook edition.

One comment/comparison to the Windows dedicated orbiter is that when you are on the computing remote the laptop Keyboard can be used with the dedicated Win orbiter but not with the Web orbiter 2.0.  with the web orbiter 2.0 you have to use the onscreen keyboard.  Just an observation.  apart from that it works fine.  Thanks

Thanks for that feed back. Which browsers are you using?

We're aware of the limitation of not being able to use the physical keyboard with Web Orbiter. We will have a fix for that at some point...unless someone wants to fix it themselves that is...and beats us to it. After all its just Javascript programming skills that are needed to fix this ;-)

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: posde on July 17, 2010, 08:41:11 pm
The physical keyboard CAN be used with the Web Orbiter. The latest fixes are in svn, and in our repo since today (or yesterday depending on your TZ)
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Techstyle on July 17, 2010, 09:27:29 pm
I just did an update/upgrade and now Posde is correct the keyboard does work, although there are a few of comments:

1. Speed - general fast typing is OK but when there is a double letter there is an issue - type 'hello' and it appears as 'helol'.  at first I thought it was me but i tried it a few times and other words, issue = isues.  perhaps there is a time value associated with repeat commands or inputs?

2. Non-Letter/number keys - Backspace, Space, shift, caps lock, Tab do not seem to work from the physical keyboard

3. From the on-screen keyboard, if you hit shift you cannot get back to regular characters, every input will be upper case.  pressing shift again does not cancel it. 

4. Caps Lock on the on-screen keyboard doesn't work.

This was all done on a Dell Latitude D620 with Ubuntu 9.10 netbook edition using Firefox

I will continue testing within other areas but this morning I was using the computing screen, mostly.

Thanks

Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 17, 2010, 10:55:46 pm
I just did an update/upgrade and now Posde is correct the keyboard does work, although there are a few of comments:

1. Speed - general fast typing is OK but when there is a double letter there is an issue - type 'hello' and it appears as 'helol'.  at first I thought it was me but i tried it a few times and other words, issue = isues.  perhaps there is a time value associated with repeat commands or inputs?

2. Non-Letter/number keys - Backspace, Space, shift, caps lock, Tab do not seem to work from the physical keyboard

3. From the on-screen keyboard, if you hit shift you cannot get back to regular characters, every input will be upper case.  pressing shift again does not cancel it. 

4. Caps Lock on the on-screen keyboard doesn't work.

This was all done on a Dell Latitude D620 with Ubuntu 9.10 netbook edition using Firefox

I will continue testing within other areas but this morning I was using the computing screen, mostly.

Thanks



Yep posde right its in the update. Its difficult to coordinate which version you have access to at a given time. But all the changes we make do flow through to the svn and the repos ... but their maybe a lag sometimes.

Thanks for the details above.

If yopu know Javascript dig in and fix those little limitations and post a fix ;-)

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: rndinokc on July 18, 2010, 05:07:55 am
I thought I would show what I mean.  The touch screen does not seem to sync with the buttons once the screen is scrolled.  Whatever button was at a location seems to stay at the same location on the touchscreen.  The mapping of the touchscreen remains constant even though new button are at the same coordinates.  The logoff, etc buttons seem to be fine.
Randy
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Kooma on July 18, 2010, 09:41:49 am
Hey Andrew,

tested WO2.0 with Archos 705, which is totally useless with the old WO (hardware locked piece of shdevice, see e.g. http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=8796.msg59774#msg59774).

WO2.0 is fantastic even with this Archos. Only thing is the screen resolution. Could it be made even more 'wide screen'? This is because there's no way of using Archos Opera in full screen mode without tabs etc.

Thanks,
Kooma
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 18, 2010, 10:16:36 am
Hey Andrew,

tested WO2.0 with Archos 705, which is totally useless with the old WO (hardware locked piece of shdevice, see e.g. http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=8796.msg59774#msg59774).

WO2.0 is fantastic even with this Archos. Only thing is the screen resolution. Could it be made even more 'wide screen'? This is because there's no way of using Archos Opera in full screen mode without tabs etc.

Thanks,
Kooma

Assuming your using the 800x480 resolution for your WO then the problem is probably only solved by a new 16-9 aspect ratio variation on Basic Skin. WO is just like a normal Orbiter in that respect - it has the same limitations a normal Orbiter would have.

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: DragonK on July 18, 2010, 02:55:48 pm
Hi,

I cant seem to get my WebOrbiter Working/Install....
Screen still refreshes every 5secs.

Deleted Old weborbiter and ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade.

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dcerouter_1011060:/home/karel# apt-get update
Ign file: ./ Release.gpg
Ign file: ./ Translation-en_ZA
Ign file: ./ Release
Ign file: ./ Packages
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release.gpg
Ign http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://deb.linuxmce.org intrepid Release.gpg
Ign http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/restricted Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse Translation-en_ZA
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates Release.gpg
Ign http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/main Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/restricted Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/universe Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/multiverse Translation-en_ZA
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates Release
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security Release.gpg
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release.gpg
Hit http://packages.medibuntu.org intrepid Release.gpg
Ign http://deb.linuxmce.org intrepid/beta2 Translation-en_ZA
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/restricted Packages
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Packages
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse Packages
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Sources
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/restricted Sources
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Sources
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse Sources
Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Translation-en_ZA
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/main Packages
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/restricted Packages
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/universe Packages
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/multiverse Packages
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/main Sources
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/restricted Sources
Ign http://deb.linuxmce.org 20dev_ubuntu Release.gpg
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/universe Sources
Hit http://za.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid-updates/multiverse Sources
Ign http://debian.slimdevices.com stable Release.gpg
Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://deb.linuxmce.org 20dev_ubuntu/main Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/restricted Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://packages.medibuntu.org intrepid/free Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://debian.slimdevices.com stable/main Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://deb.linuxmce.org intrepid Release
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/universe Translation-en_ZA
Ign http://packages.medibuntu.org intrepid/non-free Translation-en_ZA
Hit http://packages.medibuntu.org intrepid Release
Ign http://deb.linuxmce.org 20dev_ubuntu Release
Ign http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/multiverse Translation-en_ZA
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages
Get:1 http://debian.slimdevices.com stable Release [1645B]
Ign http://deb.linuxmce.org intrepid/beta2 Packages
Hit http://packages.medibuntu.org intrepid/free Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security Release
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Packages
Ign http://deb.linuxmce.org 20dev_ubuntu/main Packages
Hit http://deb.linuxmce.org intrepid/beta2 Packages
Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse Packages
Hit http://packages.medibuntu.org intrepid/non-free Packages
Ign http://debian.slimdevices.com stable/main Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Packages
Hit http://deb.linuxmce.org 20dev_ubuntu/main Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/restricted Packages
Hit http://debian.slimdevices.com stable/main Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/universe Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/multiverse Packages
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/main Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/restricted Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/universe Sources
Hit http://security.ubuntu.com intrepid-security/multiverse Sources
Fetched 1B in 8s (0B/s)
Reading package lists... Done
dcerouter_1011060:/home/karel# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
dcerouter_1011060:/home/karel#

Any Ideas?

Thanx
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: posde on July 18, 2010, 05:02:27 pm
If you don't get any upgrades check your /etc/apt/preferences file for a pinning 600 and change it to 500
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: huh on July 20, 2010, 01:31:41 am
I thought I would show what I mean.  The touch screen does not seem to sync with the buttons once the screen is scrolled.  Whatever button was at a location seems to stay at the same location on the touchscreen.  The mapping of the touchscreen remains constant even though new button are at the same coordinates.  The logoff, etc buttons seem to be fine.
Randy

I can confirm this.  Have all of the updates and just did a sqlCVS update.  I did a full reload and regen immediately afterwards- only thing I haven't tried is a complete restart of the core and MDs.

Quote
Are you referring to the 'Home, Back, Refresh, Exit, Logout' buttons along the bottom edge of the Orbiter screen?

Andrew

No, for me.  The 5 buttons at the bottom (Home, Back, Refresh, Exit and Logout) work regardless of scrolling.  For me it's the bottom row of buttons (Computing, Sleeping menu, Power, More, user name, and current room) that when you scroll down to make these visable they fall on the screen where on the load of the page the telephone buttons are located.  Hence, as rndinokc stated, the orbiter thinks these are pressed rather than the buttons that are actually pressed.

Iphone 3GS- non jailbroken
IOS4 with all updates
safari (don't see that I can tell which version)
Weborbiter @ size 480x320 (Iphone)
UI (Normal Horizontal 3:4)
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 20, 2010, 01:52:18 am
I thought I would show what I mean.  The touch screen does not seem to sync with the buttons once the screen is scrolled.  Whatever button was at a location seems to stay at the same location on the touchscreen.  The mapping of the touchscreen remains constant even though new button are at the same coordinates.  The logoff, etc buttons seem to be fine.
Randy

I can confirm this.  Have all of the updates and just did a sqlCVS update.  I did a full reload and regen immediately afterwards- only thing I haven't tried is a complete restart of the core and MDs.

Quote
Are you referring to the 'Home, Back, Refresh, Exit, Logout' buttons along the bottom edge of the Orbiter screen?

Andrew

No, for me.  The 5 buttons at the bottom (Home, Back, Refresh, Exit and Logout) work regardless of scrolling.  For me it's the bottom row of buttons (Computing, Sleeping menu, Power, More, user name, and current room) that when you scroll down to make these visable they fall on the screen where on the load of the page the telephone buttons are located.  Hence, as rndinokc stated, the orbiter thinks these are pressed rather than the buttons that are actually pressed.

Iphone 3GS- non jailbroken
IOS4 with all updates
safari (don't see that I can tell which version)
Weborbiter @ size 480x320 (Iphone)
UI (Normal Horizontal 3:4)

Hmmm...well something is not right in you installation. Can you take a quick picture of you iPhone's screen and post it here for me so i can see its size/layout of your Orbiter?

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Viking on July 20, 2010, 10:11:00 pm
Hi,

just updated to test the new orbiter and fixes. Never had the WO2.0 orbiter setup before.  Last update was done 3. july
It did not work until I rebooted the core !

After that I saw the proxy orbiter with
netstat -natp | grep 3461

and things started working like they should.

So reboot after updating.

Viking
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 20, 2010, 10:52:32 pm
Hi,

just updated to test the new orbiter and fixes. Never had the WO2.0 orbiter setup before.  Last update was done 3. july
It did not work until I rebooted the core !

After that I saw the proxy orbiter with
netstat -natp | grep 3461

and things started working like they should.

So reboot after updating.

Viking

Should not be needed...but if it works for you ;-)

You should probably do a reload and also make sure that your browser cache has been flushed if you have previously run Web Orbiter.

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Viking on July 20, 2010, 11:12:39 pm
Hi,

just updated to test the new orbiter and fixes. Never had the WO2.0 orbiter setup before.  Last update was done 3. july
It did not work until I rebooted the core !

After that I saw the proxy orbiter with
netstat -natp | grep 3461

and things started working like they should.

So reboot after updating.

Viking

Should not be needed...but if it works for you ;-)

You should probably do a reload and also make sure that your browser cache has been flushed if you have previously run Web Orbiter.

Andrew

Well, i did 10 quick reloads ;) deleted the web orbiter again and started over.
There was nothing except of the buttons. When i pressed home the penguin came and that was it.
Nothing was running on port 3461.
I did several full regens of the orbiter.

The reboot made things happen. It regenerated and things started working.

Viking

Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Viking on July 20, 2010, 11:25:58 pm
oh yes, I am testing on an HTC Desire and the 800x480 resolution is missing.

and after setting the initial zoom in the browser (below settings) it fills the screen.
But the video names are quite unreadable in the video list using the ulta skin.

Which skin is recommended for this size device ?

Viking
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Viking on July 21, 2010, 12:09:49 am
and how can I make the orbiter "start" in another room as the one where the core is ?
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 21, 2010, 01:00:05 am
Hi,

just updated to test the new orbiter and fixes. Never had the WO2.0 orbiter setup before.  Last update was done 3. july
It did not work until I rebooted the core !

After that I saw the proxy orbiter with
netstat -natp | grep 3461

and things started working like they should.

So reboot after updating.

Viking

Should not be needed...but if it works for you ;-)

You should probably do a reload and also make sure that your browser cache has been flushed if you have previously run Web Orbiter.

Andrew

Well, i did 10 quick reloads ;) deleted the web orbiter again and started over.
There was nothing except of the buttons. When i pressed home the penguin came and that was it.
Nothing was running on port 3461.
I did several full regens of the orbiter.

The reboot made things happen. It regenerated and things started working.

Viking



You must do a 'Full Regen' of the Web Orbiter as described in the Wiki page - a reload router alone is not enough. It was the regen on re-boot that corrected the problem...not the reboot itself.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 21, 2010, 01:08:08 am
oh yes, I am testing on an HTC Desire and the 800x480 resolution is missing.

and after setting the initial zoom in the browser (below settings) it fills the screen.
But the video names are quite unreadable in the video list using the ulta skin.

Which skin is recommended for this size device ?

Viking

800x480 is the Nokia N770/800/810 resolution choose that - and do a full regen of the Web Orbiter. If the resolution is setup correctly for the physical resolution of your device then you do not need any in-browser zoom settings to be used.

The Web Orbiter is compatible with any UI1 Skin that can be used on any other Orbiter... with proviso that clearly Skins that produce very tightly spaced buttons or text will not work on small devices with limited screen resolution. In these cases a special variation could be produced to suit the limitations of the device you are using - see Thom's many tutorials on that if its of interest to you.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Viking on July 21, 2010, 11:32:11 am
You must do a 'Full Regen' of the Web Orbiter as described in the Wiki page - a reload router alone is not enough. It was the regen on re-boot that corrected the problem...not the reboot itself.
As I wrote "I did several full regens of the orbiter." - so that did not help - I have no idea why not. But what the heck ;) now it works :)


Aah, and the N770 size helped a lot - now the screen is filled and things look better. Still the scroll buttons in video/audio list is a little small - that is not so nice. I will try and find a good skin.

What skin is used on the N770/800/810 ?

And if I should find time (in a couple of moths) I might have a look at how complicated it is to build a new skin. or rearrange one of the existing.
Is it possible to have a bigger font that is better readable in the video/audio list ? How complicated is it to change that ?

Viking
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: wombiroller on July 21, 2010, 03:53:31 pm
You must do a 'Full Regen' of the Web Orbiter as described in the Wiki page - a reload router alone is not enough. It was the regen on re-boot that corrected the problem...not the reboot itself.

Actually I had to reboot as well. Tried several full regens (and adding/deleting the orbiter) but I had the same issue as viking. Working great now though - thanks! :)

Only problems I have are (using a Nexus One):

- Volume control of the amp (Denon 2307 via Rs232)
The lag (or something) seems to cause problems with the volume. The signal does seem to make it though to the amp most of the time (Denon 2307) but there is lag of a several seconds when it works....

- Resolution
480x800 is suggested in the Wiki but that doesn't exist in the admin drop-down. Using the iPhone one instead which is ok but a bit out.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Viking on July 21, 2010, 04:00:41 pm
hi Wombiroller,

use the n770 size as Andrew sugested ;) It is 800x480

If you find a good skin, please speak up which one. I have now tested a lot of them,  but green background and black text as most of them have in video/audio section is not good :(

Viking
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Viking on July 21, 2010, 04:10:53 pm
Changed the wiki
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 21, 2010, 07:19:49 pm
You must do a 'Full Regen' of the Web Orbiter as described in the Wiki page - a reload router alone is not enough. It was the regen on re-boot that corrected the problem...not the reboot itself.
As I wrote "I did several full regens of the orbiter." - so that did not help - I have no idea why not. But what the heck ;) now it works :)


Aah, and the N770 size helped a lot - now the screen is filled and things look better. Still the scroll buttons in video/audio list is a little small - that is not so nice. I will try and find a good skin.

What skin is used on the N770/800/810 ?

And if I should find time (in a couple of moths) I might have a look at how complicated it is to build a new skin. or rearrange one of the existing.
Is it possible to have a bigger font that is better readable in the video/audio list ? How complicated is it to change that ?

Viking


Any visual layout changes need to be made in HAS Designer or in the bitmaps (png's etc) that make up the UI - Orbiter's (including Web Orbiter) have not say in what the UI lookslike or how it might display on a screen at a given resolution. The N770/800/810/900 all work well with Basic and that is what most people use as far as i know.

HA Designer is not a particularly friendly application and it does require that you understand a lot of the underlying system to achieve any results in it. Having said that - once you have familiarised yourself with HAD then its like anything else...it seems less threatening than it did!

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: coley on July 22, 2010, 01:53:02 pm
On Chrome - I noticed the "Exit" button, below the Orbiter, doesn't work.
On further digging the javascript self.close() method behind the button seems to be broken in chrome.
I'm on stock chrome so don't know if the dev branch has this fixed.

will I pop this info on the wiki too?
-Coley.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 22, 2010, 03:34:39 pm
On Chrome - I noticed the "Exit" button, below the Orbiter, doesn't work.
On further digging the javascript self.close() method behind the button seems to be broken in chrome.
I'm on stock chrome so don't know if the dev branch has this fixed.

will I pop this info on the wiki too?
-Coley.

Sure the Wiki is there so that everyone can contribute if they feel they can... so go ahead. If you find a work around in Javascript that fixes the problem in Chrome lets hear about that too :-)

As an aside I would love to see forum members dig into the Jaavscript and extend & improve it...the cool thing is you can apply your expertise in Javascript to Web Orbiter without needing to study all the source code for for the whole systeme for '6 months' first ;-)

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: coley on July 22, 2010, 07:38:42 pm
On Chrome - I noticed the "Exit" button, below the Orbiter, doesn't work.
On further digging the javascript self.close() method behind the button seems to be broken in chrome.
I'm on stock chrome so don't know if the dev branch has this fixed.

will I pop this info on the wiki too?
-Coley.

Sure the Wiki is there so that everyone can contribute if they feel they can... so go ahead. If you find a work around in Javascript that fixes the problem in Chrome lets hear about that too :-)

As an aside I would love to see forum members dig into the Jaavscript and extend & improve it...the cool thing is you can apply your expertise in Javascript to Web Orbiter without needing to study all the source code for for the whole systeme for '6 months' first ;-)

All the best


Andrew
I had tried a few of the so-called workarounds google threw up before I posted here, but had no success.
-Coley.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 22, 2010, 11:14:17 pm
On Chrome - I noticed the "Exit" button, below the Orbiter, doesn't work.
On further digging the javascript self.close() method behind the button seems to be broken in chrome.
I'm on stock chrome so don't know if the dev branch has this fixed.

will I pop this info on the wiki too?
-Coley.

Sure the Wiki is there so that everyone can contribute if they feel they can... so go ahead. If you find a work around in Javascript that fixes the problem in Chrome lets hear about that too :-)

As an aside I would love to see forum members dig into the Jaavscript and extend & improve it...the cool thing is you can apply your expertise in Javascript to Web Orbiter without needing to study all the source code for for the whole systeme for '6 months' first ;-)

All the best


Andrew
I had tried a few of the so-called workarounds google threw up before I posted here, but had no success.
-Coley.

Well thanks for trying them...keep digging you might still find a work around ;-)

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on July 23, 2010, 11:14:27 am
Hi Andrew,

Am running the Web Orbiter 2.0 on a Nokia 5800 Xpress Music, and it's great, a big thank you to you and your team.

Have tried it with both the "S60 Browser" (the default browser) and "Opera Mobile"; both work well, and whilst I think Opera is the only choice for general web browsing on this phone, I shall probably be using the S60 Browser for the Web Orbiter, for the following reasons...

1. Opera leaves big empty white spaces around the main orbiter screen, regardless of resolutions and zoom level.
2. "Full screen" on the S60 browser is more "full screen" than "full screen" on Opera..... if that makes any sense at all! :)
3. Using the S60 browser means that you can place a bookmark to the Web Orbiter in the shortcuts panel on the main screen. Haven't worked out how to change the icon yet, but that's no biggie.

A few other questions/comments if you don't mind...

a) Resolution - My mobile uses the rather random resolution of 640x360, and using the standard TV resolution (640x480?) I've always had to scroll down a little bit to see everything. I've just tried for the first time the iPhone resolution (can't remember the resolution, but it was smaller than 640x360) and it's better in that everything is on the screen, but obviously all the buttons are a bit smaller. Are there any others that I could try that might better? Or is there a way to manually set 640x360?

b) Login - With the old web orbiter, I could login etc, bookmark the page, and then when I returned to that bookmark I wouldn't have to type in my login information again. I have noticed with the Web Orbiter 2.0 that I have to type this information in each time - is there any way round this? Again, not really a huge issue, but one I thought I would mention.

Will update the wiki in due course.

Thanks again,
Matt.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 23, 2010, 11:39:59 am
Hi Andrew,

Am running the Web Orbiter 2.0 on a Nokia 5800 Xpress Music, and it's great, a big thank you to you and your team.

Have tried it with both the "S60 Browser" (the default browser) and "Opera Mobile"; both work well, and whilst I think Opera is the only choice for general web browsing on this phone, I shall probably be using the S60 Browser for the Web Orbiter, for the following reasons...

1. Opera leaves big empty white spaces around the main orbiter screen, regardless of resolutions and zoom level.
2. "Full screen" on the S60 browser is more "full screen" than "full screen" on Opera..... if that makes any sense at all! :)
3. Using the S60 browser means that you can place a bookmark to the Web Orbiter in the shortcuts panel on the main screen. Haven't worked out how to change the icon yet, but that's no biggie.

A few other questions/comments if you don't mind...

a) Resolution - My mobile uses the rather random resolution of 640x360, and using the standard TV resolution (640x480?) I've always had to scroll down a little bit to see everything. I've just tried for the first time the iPhone resolution (can't remember the resolution, but it was smaller than 640x360) and it's better in that everything is on the screen, but obviously all the buttons are a bit smaller. Are there any others that I could try that might better? Or is there a way to manually set 640x360?
The process of adding resolutions is not straighforward as they need to be added to the DB and then pushed out in an update. Make a request in the Dev channel for the resolution you need.
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b) Login - With the old web orbiter, I could login etc, bookmark the page, and then when I returned to that bookmark I wouldn't have to type in my login information again. I have noticed with the Web Orbiter 2.0 that I have to type this information in each time - is there any way round this? Again, not really a huge issue, but one I thought I would mention.
Why dont you look at the php/javascript source and come up with a change to fix that - after all its just plain old php/javascript... not LinuxMCE knowledge required ;-)
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Will update the wiki in due course.

Thanks again,
Matt.

Your welcome!

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: posde on July 23, 2010, 05:10:59 pm
If you don't want to wait for an official update to all the sizes needed for the gazillion phones out there, look at http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Custom_Display_Resolutions#Orbiter_size (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Custom_Display_Resolutions#Orbiter_size). It details what needs to be done.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: huh on July 28, 2010, 01:30:44 am

Hmmm...well something is not right in you installation. Can you take a quick picture of you iPhone's screen and post it here for me so i can see its size/layout of your Orbiter?

All the best

Andrew

Sorry for the delay- attached is a screenshot from my iphone.  This is what is displayed when I load the page.  As you can see, none of the buttons below the telephone line are displayed.

I reinstalled using the latest snapshot at the time (July 17, 2010, #23165) and have all of the latest packages including the sqlCVS updates.  I have reloaded and regenerated the orbiters and reboot the core.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 28, 2010, 01:50:03 am

Hmmm...well something is not right in you installation. Can you take a quick picture of you iPhone's screen and post it here for me so i can see its size/layout of your Orbiter?

All the best

Andrew

Sorry for the delay- attached is a screenshot from my iphone.  This is what is displayed when I load the page.  As you can see, none of the buttons below the telephone line are displayed.

I reinstalled using the latest snapshot at the time (July 17, 2010, #23165) and have all of the latest packages including the sqlCVS updates.  I have reloaded and regenerated the orbiters and reboot the core.

Any suggestions?

Well the main problem is that you are not running Web Orbiter full screen on your iPhone. Do the following;

- Launch Safari
- Login to Web Orbiter etc.
- Now with your Home screen on screen use Safari's '+' tool at the bottom of the screen and then select 'Add to home screen' from the pop-up.
- Now give your new Home screen Icon a name... 'Orbiter' maybe and then touch 'Add' and locate the Icon where you like it on your Home screen.

Now use your new Home Screen Icon to launch the Web Orbiter 2.0 and this time when your Main menu appears you should see that the Orbiter is running full screen and is not displaying the URL entry box or any of the other UI elements that are normally displayed above the Web page you are viewing.

Hopefully this will sort your problem out!

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: tekoholic on July 28, 2010, 06:12:30 am
I have been moderately successful with WO2.0, running on the displays of 2 Android-based phones, one being the T-Mo G1 / HTC Dream (CM6 - Froyo), the other being the T-Mo Vibrant / (almost) Samsung Galaxy S (Rooted Stock 2.1).

Each work quite well via wifi, using default web browser, and I believe that my only troubles have been the result of the fact that my wrt310n (v1) router has recently begun to freak out.  I'll be replacing it in the next coupla' days, I hope.

The WO2 has hung up on me a time or two, and I've had to killall -9 the darn thing, but again, coulda' been the router's fault.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: DragonK on July 31, 2010, 01:09:09 pm
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Andrew,,

I finally got around toupdate my box so that I can get the web orbiter 2 running.
Now I deleted and recreated the web orbiter.
Full Regen
Quick Reload and rebooted ( All of these several times )
But if I click on the a button, I get the Flying Penguin.

netstat -natp | grep 3461
dcerouter_1011060:/home/karel# netstat -natp | grep 3461
tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:3461            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      25290/Proxy_Orbiter
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44456      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44515      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44451      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44518      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44487      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44505      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44510      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44496      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44465      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44523      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44478      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44473      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44469      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44459      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44501      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44482      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44492      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
dcerouter_1011060:/home/karel#

Any sugestions?


Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on July 31, 2010, 09:19:19 pm
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Andrew,,

I finally got around toupdate my box so that I can get the web orbiter 2 running.
Now I deleted and recreated the web orbiter.
Full Regen
Quick Reload and rebooted ( All of these several times )
But if I click on the a button, I get the Flying Penguin.

netstat -natp | grep 3461
dcerouter_1011060:/home/karel# netstat -natp | grep 3461
tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:3461            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      25290/Proxy_Orbiter
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44456      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44515      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44451      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44518      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44487      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44505      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44510      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44496      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44465      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44523      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44478      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44473      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44469      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44459      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44501      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44482      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
tcp        0      0 192.168.80.1:44492      192.168.80.1:3461       TIME_WAIT   -
dcerouter_1011060:/home/karel#

Any sugestions?




Did you us the pkg ? It looks like you may not have the updated proxy_orbiter.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: DragonK on July 31, 2010, 09:45:22 pm
Andrew,,

Im sorry....... pkg?? ??? 
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 01, 2010, 10:24:00 am
Andrew,,

Im sorry....... pkg?? ??? 

ie are you running the latest version?

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Murdock on August 01, 2010, 03:58:48 pm
iPad, iPod touch, iPhone 3GS here
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: DragonK on August 02, 2010, 08:34:42 am
Andrew,,

Im sorry....... pkg?? ??? 

ie are you running the latest version?

Andrew

Yes I am, I had a problem running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade earlier in the thread.
No updates available, but that was fixed. There was about 150mb of updates.
Before the update:
             Certain files for weborbiter 2.0 wasnt in /var/www/lmce-admin/
             The folder /var/www/lmce-admin/weborbiter/ was missing
              Weborbiter refreashed every 5secs which indicates I was still on Weborbiter 1

After the update all of that was there.
could it maybe be a file that im missing? Maybe my weborbiter.php is incorrect? Can I manually download all the files again from somewhere?

Thnx for all the advice thus far.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on August 03, 2010, 04:42:04 pm
Andrew,

Got it working on a Nintendo DSi, was certainly usable.

Wiki has been updated.

Cheers,
Matt.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: daballiemo on August 05, 2010, 08:26:10 pm
As allways thank you very much for the work. I am trying now to get my Eken M002 up and running and what I noticed is that when changing from one resolution to the other, regenerating the orbiter in question and performing a quick reload I have seen the lower bar of buttons disappear a number of times. Sometimes a reboot helps, something another full regen and quick reload does the job? When I do a full regen all followed by a quick reload some of my weborbiters seem to be affected will others are not  ???

as an example a screencopy of my weborbiter on my laptop

(http://www.dumpt.com/img/files/2br397t9l7b65mx9aufo_thumb.png) (http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=2br397t9l7b65mx9aufo.png)
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: DragonK on August 09, 2010, 08:25:57 am
Andrew,

I've removed the weborbiter again from the admin webpage. Did another apt-get update and apt-get upgrade.
Rebooted the core. Reinstalled the web orbiter as per the Wiki. Followed it step by step.

But still all I get is the flying penguin. If I hold the mouse pointer over it, a tooltip comes up "waiting for info"
Can I manually install the web orbiter?
I really want to get it working, but it seems i'm hitting a wall here....  ???
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 09, 2010, 09:29:03 am
Andrew,

Got it working on a Nintendo DSi, was certainly usable.

Wiki has been updated.

Cheers,
Matt.

Hi Matt,

Hey thats great :-)... very cool indeed!

I think it would be great see some pics added to the wiki page of the WO running on the DSi (and any of the other hardware people have success with too)

Thanks for working on the DSi :-)

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 09, 2010, 09:33:36 am
As allways thank you very much for the work. I am trying now to get my Eken M002 up and running and what I noticed is that when changing from one resolution to the other, regenerating the orbiter in question and performing a quick reload I have seen the lower bar of buttons disappear a number of times. Sometimes a reboot helps, something another full regen and quick reload does the job? When I do a full regen all followed by a quick reload some of my weborbiters seem to be affected will others are not  ???

as an example a screencopy of my weborbiter on my laptop

(http://www.dumpt.com/img/files/2br397t9l7b65mx9aufo_thumb.png) (http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=2br397t9l7b65mx9aufo.png)

Hmmm...it maybe that your proxy_orbiter's are not reloading correctly sometimes. I'm back in the office tomorrow (on vacation still) and will discuss this with Uplink to see what he thinks. Thanks.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 09, 2010, 09:36:31 am
Andrew,

I've removed the weborbiter again from the admin webpage. Did another apt-get update and apt-get upgrade.
Rebooted the core. Reinstalled the web orbiter as per the Wiki. Followed it step by step.

But still all I get is the flying penguin. If I hold the mouse pointer over it, a tooltip comes up "waiting for info"
Can I manually install the web orbiter?
I really want to get it working, but it seems i'm hitting a wall here....  ???

Do you only have a single Web Orbiter configured on your system? Are you accessing the same Web Orbiter from more than one web browser, device or possibly from multiple tabs?

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: DragonK on August 09, 2010, 04:47:50 pm
Andrew.......

Thnx once again.... I can Kick myself.....
After all this time my weborbiter must have been working.... ;D
I installed firefox on my laptop and VIOLA!!!!! its working.  ;D

The IE7 seemed to be the problem as it is still not working...... but who cares hey... typical MS....  ;)

Karel
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: daballiemo on August 09, 2010, 07:26:27 pm
Quote
Hmmm...it maybe that your proxy_orbiter's are not reloading correctly sometimes. I'm back in the office tomorrow (on vacation still) and will discuss this with Uplink to see what he thinks. Thanks.

All the best


Andrew

After a number of regens and reboots it is now behaving, but I wanted to report it anyway

TIA

Han
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: daballiemo on August 09, 2010, 07:44:38 pm
What I notice is that sometimes when pressing a button repeatedly the icon sometimes disappears, leaving a big black hole, that gets repaired after the next command or a refresh. Seen this behavior especially on the light and volume buttons.
Have seen this behavior on the orbiter of the 7970 as well .

rgds

Han
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 09, 2010, 08:08:19 pm
What I notice is that sometimes when pressing a button repeatedly the icon sometimes disappears, leaving a big black hole, that gets repaired after the next command or a refresh. Seen this behavior especially on the light and volume buttons.
Have seen this behavior on the orbiter of the 7970 as well .

rgds

Han

This is a known problem with proxy_orbiter.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 10, 2010, 06:10:45 pm
Quote
Hmmm...it maybe that your proxy_orbiter's are not reloading correctly sometimes. I'm back in the office tomorrow (on vacation still) and will discuss this with Uplink to see what he thinks. Thanks.

All the best


Andrew

After a number of regens and reboots it is now behaving, but I wanted to report it anyway

TIA

Han

Thanks...reporting problems is 'good' :-)...keep doing it! Its an important feedback loop for us and anyone else who is trying to improve the code or add to or enhance the Web Orbiter.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 10, 2010, 06:16:48 pm
Andrew.......

Thnx once again.... I can Kick myself.....
After all this time my weborbiter must have been working.... ;D
I installed firefox on my laptop and VIOLA!!!!! its working.  ;D

The IE7 seemed to be the problem as it is still not working...... but who cares hey... typical MS....  ;)

Karel

Actually i should also 'kick myself' as I should have diagnosed the problem for you :-(...yep IE is not supported currently due to weirdness in the way it handles some of the Javascript code we use in Web Orbiter. This same code works fine in all other browsers we've tested against to date...but not for some reason in IE!

Check out the Web Orbiter 2.0 wiki page for the latest news/changes/browser support etc - http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0 (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0)

Also please add some brief notes to the Web Orbiter 2.0 Wiki page on your experiences with using Web Orbiter 2.0 on any devices/browsers you use.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on August 12, 2010, 03:41:56 pm
Andrew,

Got it working on a Nintendo DSi, was certainly usable.

Wiki has been updated.

Cheers,
Matt.

Hi Matt,

Hey thats great :-)... very cool indeed!

I think it would be great see some pics added to the wiki page of the WO running on the DSi (and any of the other hardware people have success with too)

Thanks for working on the DSi :-)

All the best


Andrew

My mate and his DSi are coming round tonight, so will have more of a play with resolutions/skins and try to get some photos as well. Will do my Nokia XpressMusic at the same time.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: b4rney on August 14, 2010, 01:49:28 pm
Andrew, don't want to hijack the thread but ..... should Web Orbiter 2.0 be implemented for the N800 as per the old wiki entry with the CHT installers ... and configured as 'This device uses a wi-fi connection'?
http://wiki.linuxmce.com/index.php/Nokia_N800#Set_Up_the_N800_Orbiter_in_LinuxMCE

Or is there a new method?
Barney
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 14, 2010, 02:02:10 pm
Andrew, don't want to hijack the thread but ..... should Web Orbiter 2.0 be implemented for the N800 as per the old wiki entry with the CHT installers ... and configured as 'This device uses a wi-fi connection'?
http://wiki.linuxmce.com/index.php/Nokia_N800#Set_Up_the_N800_Orbiter_in_LinuxMCE

Or is there a new method?
Barney

That Wiki page describes how you configure your Core to work with standard N800/810 Orbiter (you need to install the N800/810 Orbiter package). It has nothing to do with the old Web Orbiter or indeed the new Web Orbiter 2.0 either.

The new Web Orbiter 2.0 does work well on the N800/810 however and if you are planning to use it on these devices then use the steps described in the Web orbiter 2.0 Wiki page - http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0 (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0) to set it up.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: b4rney on August 14, 2010, 02:06:31 pm
Thanks for that.

Do you have a preferred method? I'm tempted to stick with the old package. Have you compared speed etc?
Barney
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 14, 2010, 02:27:11 pm
Thanks for that.

Do you have a preferred method? I'm tempted to stick with the old package. Have you compared speed etc?
Barney

We are moving all of our standalone Orbiter over to either the Web Orbiter 2.0 or the Touch Orbiter as this means that updating the system with new screens etc only involves an update to the proxy_orbiter - the Orbiter running on the device does not need any updates at all. So this is a pretty big advantage.

Secondly over time we expect that we will extend proxy_orbiter to allow it to support more advanced UI components on individual hardware devices. An example of this would be an upgraded proxy_orbiter that would allow the use of dynamically scrollable UI lists etc on iPhone's or Android phones for media browsing or possibly dynamically updating slider & on/off controls on these devices etc etc.

So I would suggest trying Web Orbiter on your N800.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: maverick0815 on August 15, 2010, 07:46:55 pm
has anyone tried it on the htc hd2? So far no matter what resolution I put (currently n770) it never fits on the screen. Opera always zooms in...if I zoom out again, I can see that there is some cropping on the right side too.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 15, 2010, 10:40:51 pm
has anyone tried it on the htc hd2? So far no matter what resolution I put (currently n770) it never fits on the screen. Opera always zooms in...if I zoom out again, I can see that there is some cropping on the right side too.

Whats the resolution of the display? Whatever it is you need to create a resolution to match that.

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on August 16, 2010, 10:30:18 am
has anyone tried it on the htc hd2? So far no matter what resolution I put (currently n770) it never fits on the screen. Opera always zooms in...if I zoom out again, I can see that there is some cropping on the right side too.

I believe the N770 resolution is the correct one to use for that phone. Maverick, is it a setting on the phone itself perhaps, landscape vs portrait?
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on August 16, 2010, 10:43:00 am
Thanks for that.

Do you have a preferred method? I'm tempted to stick with the old package. Have you compared speed etc?
Barney

We are moving all of our standalone Orbiter over to either the Web Orbiter 2.0 or the Touch Orbiter as this means that updating the system with new screens etc only involves an update to the proxy_orbiter - the Orbiter running on the device does not need any updates at all. So this is a pretty big advantage.

Secondly over time we expect that we will extend proxy_orbiter to allow it to support more advanced UI components on individual hardware devices. An example of this would be an upgraded proxy_orbiter that would allow the use of dynamically scrollable UI lists etc on iPhone's or Android phones for media browsing or possibly dynamically updating slider & on/off controls on these devices etc etc.

So I would suggest trying Web Orbiter on your N800.

All the best

Andrew

This is certainly not a complaint, but I do have to comment. As good as the web orbiter 2.0 is, I am surprised you are recommending its use over the standard N800 orbiter? One thing that springs straight to mind is volume control - I find it slightly cumbersome on my phone (using web orbiter), but quite responsive on the standard N800 orbiter. Is this an issue with my phone, or with the web orbiter? I suppose I should at least try the web orbiter on my N800 for a direct comparison, but would be interested in any other opinions.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 16, 2010, 12:30:28 pm
Thanks for that.

Do you have a preferred method? I'm tempted to stick with the old package. Have you compared speed etc?
Barney

We are moving all of our standalone Orbiter over to either the Web Orbiter 2.0 or the Touch Orbiter as this means that updating the system with new screens etc only involves an update to the proxy_orbiter - the Orbiter running on the device does not need any updates at all. So this is a pretty big advantage.

Secondly over time we expect that we will extend proxy_orbiter to allow it to support more advanced UI components on individual hardware devices. An example of this would be an upgraded proxy_orbiter that would allow the use of dynamically scrollable UI lists etc on iPhone's or Android phones for media browsing or possibly dynamically updating slider & on/off controls on these devices etc etc.

So I would suggest trying Web Orbiter on your N800.

All the best

Andrew

This is certainly not a complaint, but I do have to comment. As good as the web orbiter 2.0 is, I am surprised you are recommending its use over the standard N800 orbiter? One thing that springs straight to mind is volume control - I find it slightly cumbersome on my phone (using web orbiter), but quite responsive on the standard N800 orbiter. Is this an issue with my phone, or with the web orbiter? I suppose I should at least try the web orbiter on my N800 for a direct comparison, but would be interested in any other opinions.

In our tests we can see no significant performance degradation when moving from say the N800 Orbiter to Web Orbiter 2.0. You also then avoid the need to re-build the Orbiter binary whenever new screens or other changes are made to the system - just update proxy_orbiter once and your done. An alternative approach would be to build a version of Touch Orbiter for your devices as this also uses proxy_orbiter as its backend. However Web Orbiter 2.0 is easier as it involves no software installation on your control device at all.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: b4rney on August 16, 2010, 06:40:54 pm
Have now got the web orbiter running on my N800. It runs very nicely.

As purps points out the volume is ever so slightly slower to respond to repeated presses, but overall I like it a lot. Perhaps the volume could be programmed to increment several steps per click. I guess this would be done in javascript.

Got full screen by following this guide:
http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2671/nokia_n800_hide_web_browser_toolbar_full_screen_mode/

The scroll bar on the right was distracting at first but I quickly got used to it.

Excellent work guys. Thank you.
Barney
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 16, 2010, 06:48:27 pm
Have now got the web orbiter running on my N800. It runs very nicely.

As purps points out the volume is ever so slightly slower to respond to repeated presses, but overall I like it a lot. Perhaps the volume could be programmed to increment several steps per click. I guess this would be done in javascript.

Got full screen by following this guide:
http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2671/nokia_n800_hide_web_browser_toolbar_full_screen_mode/

The scroll bar on the right was distracting at first but I quickly got used to it.

Excellent work guys. Thank you.
Barney

Volume rate changes really need to be changed in the device template not the Web Orbiter. Glad to here WO is working well for you.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: b4rney on August 17, 2010, 02:06:54 am
Changed my AV device template (Denon amp ruby codes) to increment 4x with a 0.2s sleep in between each step. This means my amp now increases/decreases volume by 2db per single click rather than 0.5db per click.

I can recommend this change for users with similar problems with repeated key presses.
Barney
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: RayBe on August 26, 2010, 10:52:05 pm
a tip i would like to share,
saves somebode hopefully some time (took me a hour to figure out :) )
DO NOT select Normal Horizontal (16:9) in the UI dropdown menu.
if u do so and u press any button u will get a black screen and nothing happens.

HTH

br,
Raymond
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Viking on August 30, 2010, 04:42:18 pm
has anyone tried it on the htc hd2? So far no matter what resolution I put (currently n770) it never fits on the screen. Opera always zooms in...if I zoom out again, I can see that there is some cropping on the right side too.
Hi,

On my HTC desire I had to set zoom to "far away" (or something like that as my HTC is danish) in the browser settings to show it full screen.

Viking
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 31, 2010, 08:05:47 am
has anyone tried it on the htc hd2? So far no matter what resolution I put (currently n770) it never fits on the screen. Opera always zooms in...if I zoom out again, I can see that there is some cropping on the right side too.
Hi,

On my HTC desire I had to set zoom to "far away" (or something like that as my HTC is danish) in the browser settings to show it full screen.

Viking


It would be useful if device/browser specific work around's or tips were added to a device/browser section of the Web Orbiter 2.0 wiki page http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0 (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0) for others to take advantage of.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Viking on August 31, 2010, 08:40:27 am
They already were ;) but mostly noone looks there - easier to ask ...
 
http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0#Google_Nexus_One_or_HTC_Desire_.28Android.29
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on August 31, 2010, 10:45:41 am
They already were ;) but mostly noone looks there - easier to ask ...
 
http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Web_Orbiter_2.0#Google_Nexus_One_or_HTC_Desire_.28Android.29

Yeah...including me ;-)

My comment was not really aimed at you but was a more general one to anyone reading this thread.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Viking on August 31, 2010, 09:26:25 pm
No problem :)
Thanks for doing a good job in helping others here :)

Viking
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: phenigma on September 04, 2010, 09:43:06 pm
Seems to work well in Opera on the WebDT 366.  Sucks to need a keyboard to login all the time.  Not quite as responsive as the padOrbiter but pretty good.  Not showing elapsed track time display in the remote screen.

J
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on September 05, 2010, 11:33:59 am
Seems to work well in Opera on the WebDT 366.  Sucks to need a keyboard to login all the time.  Not quite as responsive as the padOrbiter but pretty good.  Not showing elapsed track time display in the remote screen.

J

Performance would be improved by porting Touch Orbiter to the WebDT 366. Anyone up for that? ;-)

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on September 06, 2010, 10:41:32 am
Can I just ask; is there a way to change the default room on the web orbiter? Whenever I open the orbiter, it seems to default to "Closet" (I assume because it's the first in the list of rooms alphabetically?) - can I change it to "Living Room" for example?

Or another suggestion/question, could it be set up to display the room selection screen first, so that you can choose? This would be useful for my mobile phone, as I could be anywhere when I use that.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: MarcoZan on September 06, 2010, 12:18:27 pm
Hi Purps

I think the default room is the one where core/hybrid is located as the proxy orbiter is a core device.

Nevertheless it would be nice to be able to define the "starting room" for each instance of web orbiter, but so far I could not find a way to do it.

Regards.
Marco
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on September 06, 2010, 03:49:42 pm
Can I just ask; is there a way to change the default room on the web orbiter? Whenever I open the orbiter, it seems to default to "Closet" (I assume because it's the first in the list of rooms alphabetically?) - can I change it to "Living Room" for example?

Or another suggestion/question, could it be set up to display the room selection screen first, so that you can choose? This would be useful for my mobile phone, as I could be anywhere when I use that.

Hi Purps,

This is a bug in proxy_orbiter that we plan to fix soon...the bug makes the Web Orbiter default to the 'Room' that the Core or MD that has your ZWave interface is located in...it should default to the Room that the Orbiter has been set to default to of course.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on September 06, 2010, 03:54:46 pm
Has anyone tested Web Orbiter 2.0 on a Blackberry Storm touch based mobile phone? Let me know if you have...I'd be interested to hear your experiences.

All the best

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on September 06, 2010, 04:02:50 pm
Can I just ask; is there a way to change the default room on the web orbiter? Whenever I open the orbiter, it seems to default to "Closet" (I assume because it's the first in the list of rooms alphabetically?) - can I change it to "Living Room" for example?

Or another suggestion/question, could it be set up to display the room selection screen first, so that you can choose? This would be useful for my mobile phone, as I could be anywhere when I use that.

Hi Purps,

This is a bug in proxy_orbiter that we plan to fix soon...the bug makes the Web Orbiter default to the 'Room' that the Core or MD that has your ZWave interface is located in...it should default to the Room that the Orbiter has been set to default to of course.

All the best

Andrew

OK, thanks. Out of interest, what happens if you don't have z-wave? Would it then just default to the room containing the core?
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on September 06, 2010, 04:09:02 pm
Can I just ask; is there a way to change the default room on the web orbiter? Whenever I open the orbiter, it seems to default to "Closet" (I assume because it's the first in the list of rooms alphabetically?) - can I change it to "Living Room" for example?

Or another suggestion/question, could it be set up to display the room selection screen first, so that you can choose? This would be useful for my mobile phone, as I could be anywhere when I use that.

Hi Purps,

This is a bug in proxy_orbiter that we plan to fix soon...the bug makes the Web Orbiter default to the 'Room' that the Core or MD that has your ZWave interface is located in...it should default to the Room that the Orbiter has been set to default to of course.

All the best

Andrew

OK, thanks. Out of interest, what happens if you don't have z-wave? Would it then just default to the room containing the core?

Ignore that... I answered another question and got both responses mixed together! Your problem has nothing to do with ZWave :-)

But the bug is in proxy_orbiter and we are looking at a fix for it asap.

...note to self...do not answer two questions at once lol!

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on September 08, 2010, 11:35:49 am
Haha, no worries. Leave the multi-tasking to the women I say.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: RayBe on October 06, 2010, 10:32:45 am
hi Andrew,

been using your weborbiter with great pleasure on my iphone 3GS,
the thing i noticed is that the images get blurry,
for instance the green area around a trackname gets 'artifacts' and the text isn't always readable,
i did set the standard iphone resolution,

is there anyway to get this better?

br,
Raymond
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on October 06, 2010, 10:45:16 am
Try the "Mobile Phone Basic" skin perhaps?
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on October 06, 2010, 11:53:47 am
hi Andrew,

been using your weborbiter with great pleasure on my iphone 3GS,
the thing i noticed is that the images get blurry,
for instance the green area around a trackname gets 'artifacts' and the text isn't always readable,
i did set the standard iphone resolution,

is there anyway to get this better?

br,
Raymond

What resolution are you configuring your Web Orbiter for?

I Suspect you are just seeing artifacts that are created in the rescaling process the bitmaps go through when regenned at smaller resolutions. There is a marked difference in the quality of the Orbiter screens between the iPod Touch/iPhone3g/iPhone3GS which ahre the same resolution screens and say the iPhone4 which has a much higher resolutions screen.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: RayBe on October 06, 2010, 01:50:27 pm
hi Andrew,

been using your weborbiter with great pleasure on my iphone 3GS,
the thing i noticed is that the images get blurry,
for instance the green area around a trackname gets 'artifacts' and the text isn't always readable,
i did set the standard iphone resolution,

is there anyway to get this better?

br,
Raymond

What resolution are you configuring your Web Orbiter for?

I Suspect you are just seeing artifacts that are created in the rescaling process the bitmaps go through when regenned at smaller resolutions. There is a marked difference in the quality of the Orbiter screens between the iPod Touch/iPhone3g/iPhone3GS which ahre the same resolution screens and say the iPhone4 which has a much higher resolutions screen.

All the best


Andrew

i set the resolution to the standard iphone res. (in webadmin)
do you mean i have to use a higher resolution to get a better image quality?

br,
Raymond
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on October 06, 2010, 03:10:01 pm
hi Andrew,

been using your weborbiter with great pleasure on my iphone 3GS,
the thing i noticed is that the images get blurry,
for instance the green area around a trackname gets 'artifacts' and the text isn't always readable,
i did set the standard iphone resolution,

is there anyway to get this better?

br,
Raymond

What resolution are you configuring your Web Orbiter for?

I Suspect you are just seeing artifacts that are created in the rescaling process the bitmaps go through when regenned at smaller resolutions. There is a marked difference in the quality of the Orbiter screens between the iPod Touch/iPhone3g/iPhone3GS which ahre the same resolution screens and say the iPhone4 which has a much higher resolutions screen.

All the best


Andrew

i set the resolution to the standard iphone res. (in webadmin)
do you mean i have to use a higher resolution to get a better image quality?

br,
Raymond

No if you are using 480x320 then that is the correct resolution - can you confirm that you have selected that resolution in Web Admin?

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: RayBe on October 06, 2010, 03:23:24 pm
yes i am using 480x320 and i selected the 'basic' skin,
is there any way to get the orbiter screen-images sharper?
the iphone can produce very sharp pictures.
or is the regenning to smaller resolutions process causing this image-quality?

to make things clear, i do not want to step on anybody's toes, just want to give feedback to make things better.

br,
Raymond
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on October 06, 2010, 03:30:56 pm
Did you try the "Mobile Phone Basic" skin?
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: RayBe on October 06, 2010, 04:22:23 pm
Did you try the "Mobile Phone Basic" skin?

No i didn't have the time,
does this skin have a lower resolution to begin with, so it doesn't need to be much compressed?
will this improve image quality?

Br,
Raymond
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on October 06, 2010, 04:24:59 pm
Don't quote me, but I think it uses less colours and simpler buttons, I don't believe the resolution is changed.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: RayBe on October 06, 2010, 06:11:13 pm
Purps, thanks for your reply.
You wrote "don't quote me", i do not fully understand what you mean by this (english is not my native language), but i sertenly do NOT want to offend you in any way.
Sorry if i did by quoting you in my previous post.

Thanks for your help, i will try your suggestion and reply.

Br,
Raymond
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: phenigma on October 06, 2010, 06:31:57 pm
With the touch orbiter you can change the 'Image Quality' from the default of 70 to 100 in the advanced settings for the orbiter.  Doing this sends the full PNG image and eliminates the compression artifacts that are visible with the default of 70.  I'm not certain if this applies to the weborbiter as well as the touch orbiter (not at home to check right now) but I receive pristine images without compression artifacts by changing this setting.

J.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on October 06, 2010, 06:41:00 pm
Purps, thanks for your reply.
You wrote "don't quote me", i do not fully understand what you mean by this (english is not my native language), but i sertenly do NOT want to offend you in any way.
Sorry if i did by quoting you in my previous post.

Thanks for your help, i will try your suggestion and reply.

Br,
Raymond

No no no, no offence whatsoever my friend.

"Don't quote me, but..." means "I might be talking complete and utter crap, but..."  :)

I would try Phenigma's suggestion first! I'm going to try this myself.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on October 06, 2010, 07:03:24 pm
With the touch orbiter you can change the 'Image Quality' from the default of 70 to 100 in the advanced settings for the orbiter.  Doing this sends the full PNG image and eliminates the compression artifacts that are visible with the default of 70.  I'm not certain if this applies to the weborbiter as well as the touch orbiter (not at home to check right now) but I receive pristine images without compression artifacts by changing this setting.

J.

Yes that setting does apply to Web Orbiter 2.0 so it may make a difference.

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: phenigma on October 06, 2010, 07:20:41 pm
Increasing the image quality does increase the amount of data that is transferred to the web/touch orbiter and responsiveness can be affected.  The touch orbiter responds as quickly as the real orbiter on my webdt (800x600) at Image Quality of 70 and is just a little slower on screen redraws at quality 100.  I imagine that weborbiter will see similar changes in responsiveness.

J.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: RayBe on October 06, 2010, 07:38:55 pm
Purps, thanks for your reply.
You wrote "don't quote me", i do not fully understand what you mean by this (english is not my native language), but i sertenly do NOT want to offend you in any way.
Sorry if i did by quoting you in my previous post.

Thanks for your help, i will try your suggestion and reply.

Br,
Raymond



No no no, no offence whatsoever my friend.

"Don't quote me, but..." means "I might be talking complete and utter crap, but..."  :)

I would try Phenigma's suggestion first! I'm going to try this myself.

Ok :) thanks for clearing this for me :D and i am glad no Harm is done

Thanks all for your replies, will try it out.
And again i learned a lot (and hopfully others too :) ) from you all, very much thanks :)

Br,
Raymond
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on October 06, 2010, 07:39:51 pm
Increasing the image quality does increase the amount of data that is transferred to the web/touch orbiter and responsiveness can be affected.  The touch orbiter responds as quickly as the real orbiter on my webdt (800x600) at Image Quality of 70 and is just a little slower on screen redraws at quality 100.  I imagine that weborbiter will see similar changes in responsiveness.

J.

Yes that sounds about right from our experience on various devices - there will be a slight hit in performance as you crank up the image quality.

Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on October 12, 2010, 04:33:28 pm
Changed my AV device template (Denon amp ruby codes) to increment 4x with a 0.2s sleep in between each step. This means my amp now increases/decreases volume by 2db per single click rather than 0.5db per click.

I can recommend this change for users with similar problems with repeated key presses.
Barney

You have edited the template for your amp to achieve this right? How do I go about changing this for the web orbiter itself, so that it works for all MDs (I don't have any amps)? Am I supposed to be looking in /var/www/lmce-admin/weborbiter?
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: phenigma on October 12, 2010, 10:00:34 pm
You have edited the template for your amp to achieve this right? How do I go about changing this for the web orbiter itself, so that it works for all MDs (I don't have any amps)? Am I supposed to be looking in /var/www/LinuxMCE-admin/weborbiter?

This can only be changed in DeviceTemplates for individual AV devices.  There is no possible change to weborbiter to implement this.  Once implemented in the DeviceTemplate it does not matter what orbiter you use they will all function the same... for that device.  I don't know if there is a way to implement this functionality if you are not using an external AV device (like an amp), but orbiter would still not be the correct location to do it.

J.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on October 12, 2010, 10:46:56 pm
I concur. I have just been poking around in /var/www/LinuxMCE-admin/weborbiter, and I didn't see any obvious way of doing it - anybody have any suggestions?

I did get my login details into login.html though, something I'd been meaning to try out!  :) Wiki updated.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: tschak909 on October 13, 2010, 12:06:11 am
hmm,

Guys, if you actually pay attention, you'll see that media directors which do not have dedicated AV device templates have their volume commands redirected to the App Server, which changes the mixer values. If you want to alter this behaviour, modify the App Server code.

-Thom
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on October 13, 2010, 10:57:31 am
Give me a break, I am trying.

If somebody with manners could possibly tell me where I can find the App Server code, I would very much appreciate it. In fact, if you'll excuse the rookie question, is there a way I can search in the terminal for "App Server" or whatever so that I can find it myself?
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: tschak909 on October 13, 2010, 02:08:36 pm
the app server is in src/App_Server of the SVN tree. You'll need to install subversion to check out the code.

-Thom
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on October 13, 2010, 09:25:48 pm
Thanks for the reply.

Right, I have installed subversion on my core, but I don't understand how to use it, would you mind pointing me in the right direction please?

Also I couldn't find App_Server, /src does not exist on the core. I also went to look in /pluto/trunk/src/ (having seen something on the wiki about it), but this doesn't exist either, so I assume I'm going about this the wrong way!

Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: DragonK on October 13, 2010, 09:51:35 pm
Purps,

Create a folder called source.
Mine is  /home/karel/source
cd into it then run
 svn co http://svn.linuxmce.org/svn/branches/LinuxMCE-0810/src/

This will download it.

Karel
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on October 14, 2010, 05:50:08 pm
OK, that makes sense.

So what am I downloading exactly? An up-to-date snapshot as it were? How does that relate to my system, i.e. how are the changes I make going to "go into" my installation of LMCE?
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: tschak909 on October 14, 2010, 05:59:08 pm
You're downloading the raw source code, that we develop on.

-Thom
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on October 15, 2010, 05:30:14 pm
OK, I found this part in App_Server.cpp...
Code: [Select]
//<-dceag-c89-b->

/** @brief COMMAND: #89 - Vol Up */
/** Increase the volume 1% */
/** @param #72 Repeat Command */
/** If specified, repeat the volume up this many times */

void App_Server::CMD_Vol_Up(int iRepeat_Command,string &sCMD_Result,Message *pMessage)
//<-dceag-c89-e->

Could I just repeat the "//<-dceag-c89-e->" part a few times to achieve the desired effect? So it would look like...

Code: [Select]
//<-dceag-c89-b->

/** @brief COMMAND: #89 - Vol Up */
/** Increase the volume 1% */
/** @param #72 Repeat Command */
/** If specified, repeat the volume up this many times */

void App_Server::CMD_Vol_Up(int iRepeat_Command,string &sCMD_Result,Message *pMessage)
//<-dceag-c89-e->
//<-dceag-c89-e->
//<-dceag-c89-e->
//<-dceag-c89-e->

I take it any changes made would be global, and not specific to the web orbiter?
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: tschak909 on October 15, 2010, 06:11:41 pm
Nope, because that is a comment.

-Thom
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: purps on October 15, 2010, 08:23:36 pm
Poo. OK I'll have another look. This is quite off topic anyway (sorry Andrew).
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: rchamp on November 24, 2010, 03:18:13 am
I'm using the web orbiter with the android touch orbiter app and it works great on my HTC Hero.

(tested it on 2.1 firmware, and I just updated to 2.3) Works great! I am going to update the wiki soon.

I do need to adjust the font size though. the resolution looks very... meh, compared to my GF's HTC EVO, which looks AWESOME running on that.

Is there a way to boost the quality or adjust the font size? The resolution is perfect (fits the screen like a glove), but the fonts are not clear and very small.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: totallymaxed on November 24, 2010, 09:12:44 pm
Just a general comment... please try to keep this thread on-topic...read the subject line of this thread. If you need to discuss a topic that is not related or drift away from the topic too much please start a new thread and post a pointer if necessary here so that people can get to it easily from here.

All the best


Andrew
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Armor Gnome on August 28, 2012, 05:59:35 am
Digging at an old thread just because I wasn't around when this came up.  Never too late to thank someone for good work.

I absolutely love web-orbiter 2.0 and use it on lots of devices in my house.  As you said in your first few posts you developed it for use in in-wall applications, I also am looking for 'easy' ways of adding orbiters to in-wall mounts around my home.  Because it runs in a browser I am looking at extremely cheap tablets, checkout aisle hardware.  Touch-to-wake and browser going to hibernate have been two areas I am critical on as having to press a tiny power button or type a login/device select defeats the purpose of having a readily available orbiter in the placement I am adding them (next to light switches).  Would you mind if I asked what devices you like to use for these type of in-wall applications?  My screen/device size is pretty narrow because if I exceed 7" diagonal screen or 8'ish" diagonal device size I can't make it look proper in a standard wall plate.  I can stretch my custom made plate covers some but the more I do the more the eye tells you something isn't quite right.

To update this thread my quick update of devices running WO2.0 is:

Sony PS Vita - Vibrant and beautiful, my favorite and most responsive WO
HP t5500 thin client, running Win CE 4.20?, IE - worked w/ keyboard or mouse, didn't have a touchscreen to test with
Nintendo DS XL - same resolution as suggested for DS
iPhone 4 w/ iOS 5 - several issues with Dianemo and Roaming Orb (trac ticketed) but works great w/ WO2.0

Some devices not quite able to run WO2.0

Nintendo DS lite - I get memory errors using, this uses the same Opera version as the DS XL
Sony Playstation Portable 2000 (PSP thin) - believe this to be a java issue
Project boxes (several) - I have been trying to do minimal requirement browser based WO2.0 on several project machines using Tiny Core Linux and Damn Small Linux.  I forget the various browsers I have tried but I am trying things such as IceWeaver and Lynx with hopes of keeping install size as small as possible.  If I get something working I will let you know, provided it's helpful to you.

Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: jamo on August 28, 2012, 08:37:31 am
Thanks for the post, AG, this is also an area I'm interested in as is bushtech... specifically for use as a security camera viewer as well. Will check out the devices you mentioned.

The bummer on the security camera viewer is that at present web orbiter doesn't show security cameras (at least not on mine... ). How have you powered your devices? Any of them low enough draw to do POE? That would also be nice...
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: posde on August 28, 2012, 12:25:43 pm
I've watched "Security Cameras" (in my case Tschak's screen camera device) on the web orbiter. The trick is, you need to touch the screen to let it update. Works for me.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Armor Gnome on August 28, 2012, 02:09:48 pm
My trick for getting security cam feeds to WO2.0 has been in the camera setup.

I tried many times to get motion detection working and failed repeatedly.  I then had a really good chat with a lmce veteran who (after a few /deep breaths) put it simple and said "use motion detectors to detect motion."

Eureka!  I don't need a program to sit there comparing stills and trying to pick out differences, 5+ times a second.  Now my cameras are set up as video streams.  In the D-Link browser I changed <IP>/home.htm to display java instead of .jpeg stills.  The difference on all orbiters is noticably smoother video since it is not dependent on refreshing the page.  Once I set <IP>/home.htm to java view, I checked page source to find the frame and applied that to my address bar:  <IP>/jview.htm? (I forget now).  This gives me real time video without the rest of the browser page, that URL is where I point my camera templates and haven't had an issue with any orbiter cam view.

I am certain that I misunderstand the way motion/motion wrapper/still view & video feed works but I am happy with my settings now.  If I think I hear someone pull in the driveway I hit the camera feed and check.  When I add motion sensors (stupidly expensive little buggers) then I can worry about events that auto-record, email alerts, etc.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: jamo on August 28, 2012, 09:58:48 pm
Sounds interesting, AG, but not sure if I'm following you 100%

I tried many times to get motion detection working and failed repeatedly.  I then had a really good chat with a lmce veteran who (after a few /deep breaths) put it simple and said "use motion detectors to detect motion."

It sounds as if you are saying here that you aren't setting up the camera as a child of the motion device. Is that correct? What is it a child of? Can you screenshot one of your setups so I can see without giving too much away.

Not that I'm wanting to toss motion, though, I got it set up no-problems first time and I'm loving the motion events and have all sorts of plans for working with them. But I would be interested to see how you set up the devices differently.... I could even potentially do both, I'd imagine, if there was some benefit to not going the motion-wrapper route.

Also a bit confused about your "video stream" story... that thing about doing "view source" to find the actual video stream, well, that's a given with IP cameras isn't it? I mean you always have to do that to get them working don't you (ie isolate the video stream URL and stick that in the camera template)?

This gives me real time video without the rest of the browser page, that URL is where I point my camera templates and haven't had an issue with any orbiter cam view.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: jamo on August 28, 2012, 10:03:19 pm
I've watched "Security Cameras" (in my case Tschak's screen camera device) on the web orbiter. The trick is, you need to touch the screen to let it update. Works for me.
Ha Ha.... never tried that. It does, indeed. So the CAM is viewable in the web orbiter. Pity it's not streaming video but I guess that's in line with the whole low bandwidth story.... cool that it works, though, can't believe I didn't try that!
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Armor Gnome on August 29, 2012, 02:23:21 am
I can screen shot and post my setup screens on my photobucket, no problem.  At the moment though I am not actually using linuxmce for anything other than KDE desktop and my device tree is empty.  I might have a restore point with all my devices configured I can load up or I can put the cam back temporarily to show how I normally use it. 

You are correct though that there is no motion or motion wrapper anywhere in my device tree.  I use Advanced IP Camera (/hat tip to the author of that template) as it implements DCE I create it as a top level device and I could be wrong but I believe it defaults to controlled by CORE.  This D-Link has some other features I was not using like it's own built in motion detection, email notifications, etc.  I struggled for so long I just got burnt out on cameras and decided as long as they stream I am happy.  One nice feature though is that although its not associated with LinuxMCE, it is up and running right now.  To view it I just open a browser and click a bookmark to view the feed.  With it on my external network, I can also still use all the MyDLink iphone and remote browser features like zoom etc.

It is a given that you need to isolate the video feed on almost any IP camera template, though normally you specify a image location and a video location.  It was my understanding that the still image was used by motion and was what is getting pushed to Web Orbiter 2.0.  Where my device data asks for image location I put in the video feed, and then repeat it once more in the video feed url area.  Prior to switching to java view as default I also noticed that when I used the .cgi image address instead of the .jpeg for my image URL I got streaming video on Web Orbiter 2.0 devices.  What you see when going to camera view is a constantly loading screen because the image keeps changing and never finishes 'loading'.   
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: jamo on August 29, 2012, 09:01:38 am
AG, I've continued in a new thread (http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php/topic,12804.0.html) because we were getting a bit off-topic here...
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Armor Gnome on August 31, 2012, 11:11:35 pm
LG Ally : works with no issues.
Title: Re: What devices are you running Web orbiter 2.0 on?
Post by: Armor Gnome on September 07, 2012, 09:53:01 am
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