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General => Users => Topic started by: wierdbeard65 on May 01, 2010, 10:29:44 am
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Folks,
Following a (sometimes heated) discussion (http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=10034.0 (http://forum.linuxmce.org/index.php?topic=10034.0)) I have created a version matrix template.
I intend to start adding the following to the top of every wiki page:
{{versioninfo}}
This will create a "blank" versiontable at the top of the page stating that the status of this page with regard to both 710 and 810 is unknown.
Can I ask you to do three things, please?
- If you are creating a page, or visit a page that does not have the table at the top yet, please edit it to put the above code in
- If you visit a page that has an "unkown" status and you know the status for a version, modify the above tag by putting in parameter substitutions. For example, if I find a page that I know works with 810, I would modify the tag to read
{{versioninfo|810Status=Working|810UpdatedDate=1st May 2010|810UpdatedBy=Wierdbeard65}}
- If you are a forum administrator, make this topic sticky
The parameters are:
- 710Status
- 710UpdatedDate
- 710UpdatedBy
- 810Status
- 810UpdatedDate
- 810UpdatedBy
Obviously, when the next version is on the horizon, we can update the template as required :)
Please post below with your suggestions for "official" statuses.
Thanks!
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Example
http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ShuttleX50V2
But will it be searchable if I put it shuttle and 0810 into the search of wiki. If I do now I see that it hits the catagory 0810.
If I take it out, maybe not?
So it should be the matrix and the 0810 catagory?
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Example
http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ShuttleX50V2
But will it be searchable if I put it shuttle and 0810 into the search of wiki. If I do now I see that it hits the catagory 0810.
If I take it out, maybe not?
So it should be the matrix and the 0810 catagory?
enough with the 0810 category already. i dont see how searching for 'ShuttleX50V2 0810' is anymore efficient than 'ShuttleX50V2'. Why are you so set on adding a superfluous category when its not exactly difficult to find things now? Or is the goal to make a hardware list compatible with 0810?
What weirdbeard is proposing makes sense. Add the version matrix and bam, no unnecessary complexity or extra categories.
Guess what im saying is that the the version info should be more than enough as opposed to creating a category which is going to be useless at some point.
golgoj4
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That is how you learn, by asking.
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Example
http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ShuttleX50V2
But will it be searchable if I put it shuttle and 0810 into the search of wiki. If I do now I see that it hits the catagory 0810.
If I take it out, maybe not?
So it should be the matrix and the 0810 catagory?
enough with the 0810 category already. i dont see how searching for 'ShuttleX50V2 0810' is anymore efficient than 'ShuttleX50V2'. Why are you so set on adding a superfluous category when its not exactly difficult to find things now? Or is the goal to make a hardware list compatible with 0810?
What weirdbeard is proposing makes sense. Add the version matrix and bam, no unnecessary complexity or extra categories.
Guess what im saying is that the the version info should be more than enough as opposed to creating a category which is going to be useless at some point.
golgoj4
Clearly, some people around here actually need to get stepped on their toes to get through to them. And when they start crying about their feelings getting hurt, it's usually a sign that the message finally got across.
That is how you learn, by asking.
Next time, try to "learn" without other people having to clean up after you...
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I am sorry Zaerc, go fuck.
This is bullshit.
Did the message come across?
That's funny.
Obviously the message got across since you're crying about it.
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Nothing constructive is being said anymore. just effing drop it.
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Now I'm getting VERY anoyed!
Firstly, I have alerted one of the Forum Admins to the way this thread has degenerated. IMHO is is unacceptable and unneccessary. Yes, we all have (often strong) opinions, however there is simply NO EXCUSE for the offensive and personal comments being posted.
Despite this, I have been working my way through the wiki (as some of you may have noticed) adding the VersionInfo template to the pages. When I made it to Z-Wave, I found some categories created called, amongst others "Works without Caveats in 810" etc. (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Category:Works_without_caveats_on_0810 (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Category:Works_without_caveats_on_0810)). These seem to be partially populated already.
Now, the discussion about whether this should be a page-by-page version grid, or a category has already been had (and caused most of the mud-slinging), but it seems to me that there is a lot of duplication of effort going on here and there aren't enough people involved in the project to be able to waste time this way.
SOMEONE was well aware of the existence of these categories already, yet they are not mentioned anywhere either in this thread, or the one proposing the setting up of similar categories. This kind of duplication is inevitable when we have a culture of "stop talking about it and just DO it" on the forums. Before people invest time, an (albeit short) discussion would prevent a LOT of wasted time and effort.
FWIW, having thought carefully about it, I think Categories are the wrong way to go. They are not granular enough (unless you have dozens) nor are they obvious (in your face) enough to be reliably added.
I will continue to add the version table to pages (unless someone objects strongly) and would ask that anyone who feels like I do pitches in as well. Also, dear Admins, please can you remove the rather offensive messages in this thread (Starting with Zaerc's on May 1st and finishing with Bongowongo's on the 2nd) and then make this topic sticky?
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Now I'm getting VERY anoyed!
Firstly, I have alerted one of the Forum Admins to the way this thread has degenerated. IMHO is is unacceptable and unneccessary. Yes, we all have (often strong) opinions, however there is simply NO EXCUSE for the offensive and personal comments being posted.
Despite this, I have been working my way through the wiki (as some of you may have noticed) adding the VersionInfo template to the pages. When I made it to Z-Wave, I found some categories created called, amongst others "Works without Caveats in 810" etc. (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Category:Works_without_caveats_on_0810 (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Category:Works_without_caveats_on_0810)). These seem to be partially populated already.
Now, the discussion about whether this should be a page-by-page version grid, or a category has already been had (and caused most of the mud-slinging), but it seems to me that there is a lot of duplication of effort going on here and there aren't enough people involved in the project to be able to waste time this way.
SOMEONE was well aware of the existence of these categories already, yet they are not mentioned anywhere either in this thread, or the one proposing the setting up of similar categories. This kind of duplication is inevitable when we have a culture of "stop talking about it and just DO it" on the forums. Before people invest time, an (albeit short) discussion would prevent a LOT of wasted time and effort.
FWIW, having thought carefully about it, I think Categories are the wrong way to go. They are not granular enough (unless you have dozens) nor are they obvious (in your face) enough to be reliably added.
I will continue to add the version table to pages (unless someone objects strongly) and would ask that anyone who feels like I do pitches in as well. Also, dear Admins, please can you remove the rather offensive messages in this thread (Starting with Zaerc's on May 1st and finishing with Bongowongo's on the 2nd) and then make this topic sticky?
I think this is a great idea.
I have updated all in the laptop category. Only issue I found when went to update the USB-UIRT to working I did not know what code to insert to update the version table other than refering back to this post. Does the wiki allow for commenting or some way of easily displaying example code that we could past when setting up?
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Now I'm getting VERY anoyed!
Firstly, I have alerted one of the Forum Admins to the way this thread has degenerated. IMHO is is unacceptable and unneccessary. Yes, we all have (often strong) opinions, however there is simply NO EXCUSE for the offensive and personal comments being posted.
Despite this, I have been working my way through the wiki (as some of you may have noticed) adding the VersionInfo template to the pages. When I made it to Z-Wave, I found some categories created called, amongst others "Works without Caveats in 810" etc. (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Category:Works_without_caveats_on_0810 (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Category:Works_without_caveats_on_0810)). These seem to be partially populated already.
Now, the discussion about whether this should be a page-by-page version grid, or a category has already been had (and caused most of the mud-slinging), but it seems to me that there is a lot of duplication of effort going on here and there aren't enough people involved in the project to be able to waste time this way.
SOMEONE was well aware of the existence of these categories already, yet they are not mentioned anywhere either in this thread, or the one proposing the setting up of similar categories. This kind of duplication is inevitable when we have a culture of "stop talking about it and just DO it" on the forums. Before people invest time, an (albeit short) discussion would prevent a LOT of wasted time and effort.
FWIW, having thought carefully about it, I think Categories are the wrong way to go. They are not granular enough (unless you have dozens) nor are they obvious (in your face) enough to be reliably added.
I will continue to add the version table to pages (unless someone objects strongly) and would ask that anyone who feels like I do pitches in as well. Also, dear Admins, please can you remove the rather offensive messages in this thread (Starting with Zaerc's on May 1st and finishing with Bongowongo's on the 2nd) and then make this topic sticky?
I think this is a great idea.
I have updated all in the laptop category. Only issue I found when went to update the USB-UIRT to working I did not know what code to insert to update the version table other than refering back to this post. Does the wiki allow for commenting or some way of easily displaying example code that we could past when setting up?
Agreed... the versioninfo template itself needs a Wiki entry...at the risk of being infinitely recursive of course ;-)
I applaud what wierdbeard65 is doing 100%...I'm not sure if I agree with using a template for this purpose...but since I cant think of a better proposal and wierdbeard65 has committed his time/effort I have started updating pages I monitor with updated versioinfo data.
All the best
Andrew
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Agreed... the versioninfo template itself needs a Wiki entry...at the risk of being infinitely recursive of course ;-)
I applaud what wierdbeard65 is doing 100%...I'm not sure if I agree with using a template for this purpose...but since I cant think of a better proposal and wierdbeard65 has committed his time/effort I have started updating pages I monitor with updated versioinfo data.
I'll put a wiki entry in for this then and thanks for the support! :) Actually, I was also thinking of some style guidelines for the wiki as well, maybe it's just me, but I'd prefer it if the pages were consistent ;) I've looked at a lot of pages in quick succession and some consistency would be good! I'm gonna start a new thread to discuss this....
Anyway, I thought about the three options long and hard before I started. As I see it, the template works best since it means that when the next version comes out (be that 910, 1004 or whatever) we can simply add a row to the table in the template and then the "Unknown" status will automagically appear for all pages for the new version. We then just wait for the people with "the knowledge" to fill in the detail ;D
Anyway, Andrew, I know I'm asking a lot and that you and your team already devote a lot of time and effort to this site, but I'm fairly sure that you would have the most detailed knowledge to "fill in the blanks" on a lot of the pages....
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I edited my posts, not my opinion.
You are on the good path Weirdbeard65
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I edited my posts, not my opinion.
You are on the good path Weirdbeard65
Thanks, BW.
You know it makes sens ;)
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I'll put a wiki entry in for this then and thanks for the support! :) Actually, I was also thinking of some style guidelines for the wiki as well, maybe it's just me, but I'd prefer it if the pages were consistent ;) I've looked at a lot of pages in quick succession and some consistency would be good! I'm gonna start a new thread to discuss this....
Yes, the template is the way to go, without a doubt. Even then - if for some reason we decide to make a category (which we should NOT) it could be programatically applied via the template.
Eventually, we should have a more formal hardware compatibility database - there have been at least a couple unsuccessful attempts to make such a thing, but nothing useful came from those, so the wiki will have to do for now.
If you can find a way to normalize the input to the template - for instance, only allow "working", not "it works", "good", "crappy device", etc - that would be excellent. I'd suggest the following categories:
- working plug-and-play (for PnP devices)
- works with minimal effort (for devices that have templates, but are not PnP)
- works with significant effort (for devices that need additional software to be manually installed)
- not working
I applaud your efforts and dedication.
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Sorry if I'm being simple, but how do I edit the matrix?
I click "edit" on the wiki page in question, but don't see anything relating to the matrix at the top.
Cheers.
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Purps,
Have a look at the opening post in this thread. An example of a "filled in" matrix is there, together with all the parameters.
Long story short, it's a template with "runtime" substitition parameteres / variables.
If it still doesn't make sense, post back with what you want to put and I'll explain how to put it there :D
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It would be great if there were a wiki page describing the use of the matrix template. It could have links to the mediawiki documentation on templates for those not familiar with the syntax or interested in learning.
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Ok,
I've started a new category (which isn't fleshed out enough yet to put a link to from the main page ;) to start documenting Wiki Editing Style Guides. I have created one article in the category which explains (I hope!) how to use the versioninfo template.
http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/UseageTemplateVersionInfo (http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/UseageTemplateVersionInfo)
I have also modified the template so that at the bottom is a link to the useage information page.
I hope this helps anyone wanting to contribute to this mini-project :)
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I like it, thanks.
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Yes thank you for getting this done :)
-golgoj4
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OK, I think most of the hardware pages have now been done. Thank you to everyone who as helped out!
I have taken the liberty of also going through the categories in "compatibility" and updated the versioninfo as appropriate. (For example, "Confirmed working without caveats in 810" etc.
I would appreciate it if people could carry on adding the template to any pages they stumble acorss that don't have it!
Unless anyone objects, I'm going to move on to the Documentation and Tutorials categories.
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OK, I think most of the hardware pages have now been done. Thank you to everyone who as helped out!
I have taken the liberty of also going through the categories in "compatibility" and updated the versioninfo as appropriate. (For example, "Confirmed working without caveats in 810" etc.
I would appreciate it if people could carry on adding the template to any pages they stumble acorss that don't have it!
Unless anyone objects, I'm going to move on to the Documentation and Tutorials categories.
Thank you very much. Been noticing it popping up more and more across the wiki. Good work.
-golgoj4
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Anyway, Andrew, I know I'm asking a lot and that you and your team already devote a lot of time and effort to this site, but I'm fairly sure that you would have the most detailed knowledge to "fill in the blanks" on a lot of the pages....
If I visit a page and I know its status then I will update it for sure...but as to having the most 'detailed' knowledge... ;-)
Andrew
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As we know now what path we are taking, let's opt for a sticky to explain how this works, why this is important etc. So that the more lurkish forum users are confronted with it every day.
This only works if everybody knows the system and applies it.
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I agree, and asked in the first posting for that to happen.
Hey, Admins! How about it?
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Well Zaerc seems to be an admin......... ;D
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Ummmm, yeeesssss. But so are 3 others :D
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If we make a sticky, could we also make a preferred comment.
Like
Works with little programming
Works out of the box / pnp
Doesn't work
Works, but not fully
etc etc etc.
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Or perhaps we could update the Useage Information page?
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Ok, it is a sticky now.
Maybe you can revert to this page
http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Short_Howto_on_Wiki
And maybe suggest some standard status names.